Ron Paul On The Record

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
You are correct, you never said that. I lumped you in with the other Paulies on this forum- My mistake. You’re not one of the crazy Paulies. You’re in the minority you know.
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What you’re witnessing, for good or ill, is desperation and grand enthusiasm on the part of some Ron Paul supproters. Considering the differences between him and the rest of Republican nominees on any given set of issues it’s hardly surprising that Dr. Paul would generate extreme enthusiasm from many individuals.

In fact, I also sense this feeling of enthusiasm for Dr. Paul considering my viewpoints on the issues. However, given the political circumstances one would only injure themselves by feeling too overconfident. Frankly, there doesn’t appear to be enough individuals interested in what I perceive to be liberty-based ideas to lead Dr. Paul’s campaign to a successful conclusion.

There is no such thing as a “sure thing”, for or against. Life sometimes has a strange tendency to spring delightful and deleterious surprises alike. Who knows what the future holds.

Cocnerning Dr. Paul’s character and ideas, I see nothing wrong informing other on what they, as well as I, believe to be a truthful statement, that he’s perhaps the best politician since probably Robert A. Taft. His integrity is, in my opinion, quite impeccable. Does this suggest perfection? Obviously not, no human being is. In fact it would be difficult to state that I agree with Dr. Paul on every point.

Will Ron Paul surprise everyone? That is a difficult question to answer. It would certainly be nice. Is this a likely occurrence? Unfortunately, probably not. However it would be pointless to advocate a given nominee while simultaneously giving up. The results of January 8th will ultimately decide on whether this campaign will be worth pursuing in the future or otherwise.

Washington D.C. is quite afraid of Dr. Paul’s ideas since it would mean an end to “business as usual”, so to speak, in Washington D.C. Certainly, even as president, Ron Paul could not simply make changes unilaterally; an obvious point. However, it would be a good platform for educating others on his ideas. Yet I’m unsure as to what you mean by “conspiring against him.” Could you clarify this statement?

Understood. However, at some point one must realize that things always change, history does not remain static, for humans have the ability to change their minds, create products that might change a given paradigm, and so forth. Whether this is that point in history in relation to the political process in the United States however remains to be seen. The obtaining of a crystal ball is unfortunately out of the reach of all.

Dr. Paul’s poll numbers in the NH primary bid has, over the course of the campaign season, risen from 1%, 2%, 4%, to presently 8%. These increases are obviously doubling with rapidity. However, I can’t confidently see a further doubling to 16% by January 8th.

Interestingly enough Mick, I somewhat tend to agree that obtaining 10% in New Hampshire does present a serious problem for the campaign, given the quasi-libertarian sympathies many within that state adhere to. However, this appears to be more related to name recognition than anything. If his exposer is not increased to the point where enough individuals are aware of not only his existence in the race but become well-versed in his ideas then his chances of winning the primaries will be unlikely.

Many individuals (admittedly, me included) are certainly hoping, whether likely or otherwise, a surprise will materialize. My optimism however will be more realistically placed with increased name recognition. The “money bomb” on November 5th managed to double his numbers in the NH polls from 4% to 8% in a relatively brief period. Naturally, many are hoping another boost might catapult him to 12% or, with a little luck, perhaps even 16% soon after December 16th.

Again, I’m making no predictions other than my own desires and hopes, combined with the what I perceive to be somewhat justifiable optimism regarding his campaign. Yet that “little voice”, so to speak, within me isn’t too encouraging.

Your input is much appreciated Mick.


The people powering the Paul phenomenon
College students, old-line conservatives, anti-globalists back contender

How often do you see “college students” juxtaposed with “old-line conservatives”? Only with Ron Paul. =D

It’s good to see that Paul has experienced people in his campaign working to help get him the Christian vote. If he can grab a decent chunk of that pie in the battleground states, then I think we will truly get to witness “the miracle” of a Paul nomination.

[quote]Old enough to be the father of such students is Paul’s Iowa campaign chairman, Drew Ivers, a retired plant geneticist who worked on the Ronald Reagan campaign in 1980, the Pat Robertson campaign in 1988, and the Pat Buchanan efforts in 1996 and 2000.

Ivers praised Paul’s belief in “limited government, anti-establishment, biblically based values.”

For Ivers the enemies are “global socialism, the New World Order, empire building. The neo-cons, the elitists who are promoting global socialism” and who say, “We’re smarter and wiser than the masses.”

He added, “This is not a conspiracy: the Bilderbergers meet, the G-8 meets” to plan an agenda of globalism. (The Bilberbergers is a secretive informal group of U.S. and European government officials and business executives who meet annually.)

Favorite target: the ‘neo-cons’
“Neo-cons” is an epithet that the Paul people use with scorn.

Steve Anders, a business executive from Council Bluffs, Iowa who turned up at Paul’s meeting with Christian pastors Saturday in Des Moines, said, “The Republican Party has been morphed into a neo-con group. They’ve lost the original roots of the party. Even President Bush has shifted far away. Ron Paul is a strict constitutionalist; he’s also a man of faith and he believes in the sovereignty of God and God’s laws and the Constitution.”

Flying in from Florida to make the case for Paul was his ally, Dr. Chuck Baldwin, pastor of the Crossroad Baptist Church in Pensacola.

Baldwin told Paul’s conclave of pastors Saturday that Christian conservatives had been “duped” and “co-opted” by the “neo-cons.”

Paul “opposed the unprovoked and pre-emptive invasion of Iraq, and rightly so. Time has certainly vindicated Dr. Paul’s principled position,” Baldwin said.

He added, “Before G.W. Bush changed the landscape, conservatives - especially Christian conservatives - mostly subscribed to Augustine’s just war theory, regarding accepted protocols for the conduct of war. Today many of my Christian friends have foolishly followed Bush’s pre-emptive war theory which before now was practiced mostly by pagan emperors.”[/quote]

Just think:
Prior to Bush, nobody in the world thought that a retarded chimp could be elected to the highest office in the United States. Now, it’s old news. Strange and unlikely things DO occur. Ron Paul’s public acceptance will follow the same course. First, he’ll be completely ignored (been there already), then openly ridiculed (we’re there now), and finally, he’ll be accepted as “part of the scene”, for better or worse, in much the same way as the world now accepts Bush and the right begrudgingly accepts the Clintons. Once you establish yourself at a certain level, your enemies can no longer afford to pretend you don’t exist. Ron Paul won’t be fighting the “kook” accusation for the rest of his life. He will fight it now and defeat it so that he may not face it again.

GREETINGS!!!

Hey, I’m warming up to ron paul.

Read this!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/pauls_internet_campaign_wont_g.html

Hey, nommy, your choice of avatar is VERY creepy.

JeffR

[quote]JeffR wrote:
GREETINGS!!!

Hey, I’m warming up to ron paul.

Read this!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/pauls_internet_campaign_wont_g.html

Hey, nommy, your choice of avatar is VERY creepy.

JeffR[/quote]

I didn’t see anything terribly enlightening there. Did I miss something? Lifty is going to post the next Ron Paul vid that ends up on Youtube and only Paul supporters are going to get excited about it and it won’t win anyone over. You are going to post the next anti-Paul piece that comes up and make a wisecrack and you won’t stop any Paul supporters from voting for him. Me? I’m going to shut up, knock out some pullups and get back to my book. Why do you bother?

mike

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
JeffR wrote:
GREETINGS!!!

Hey, I’m warming up to ron paul.

Read this!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/11/pauls_internet_campaign_wont_g.html

Hey, nommy, your choice of avatar is VERY creepy.

JeffR

I didn’t see anything terribly enlightening there. Did I miss something? Lifty is going to post the next Ron Paul vid that ends up on Youtube and only Paul supporters are going to get excited about it and it won’t win anyone over. You are going to post the next anti-Paul piece that comes up and make a wisecrack and you won’t stop any Paul supporters from voting for him. Me? I’m going to shut up, knock out some pullups and get back to my book. Why do you bother?

mike[/quote]

Hey, Mike.

You caught me trolling!!!

I admit to enjoying getting these ron paul NUTJOBS wound up.

They have no idea just how silly their slobbering looks. Further, they just cannot figure out that their slavish devotion to everything ron paul is actually HURTING his chances.

Again, I probably shouldn’t amuse myself at their expense. They are likely to blow a gasket.

JeffR

If there is one things I deeply thankful for is that I do not live your miserable existences.

Not to have any ideals worth mentioning is one thing, but to feel the irresistible urge to ridicule others ideals is beyond pathetic.

Though there are amusing moments, especially when Mick28 tries to attack Ron Paul on the issues.

Thank God he notices that mistake pretty quickly every time, lies low for a while and then continues to post his mindless drivel two pages later as if noone had noticed how shallow his understanding of the most basic matters really is.

You two should be depressing, but in all honesty you are hilarious and a steady reminder to be humble and thankful that I am not cursed with your mental capacity.

And yes, its Dr Ron Paul.

[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Lifty is going to post the next Ron Paul vid that ends up on Youtube and only Paul supporters are going to get excited about it and it won’t win anyone over.[/quote]

No. I am not. I just enjoy watching them because I like to contemplate what motivates individuals to be creative and pour their heart and soul into something they believe in. Whether one agrees with the content or not it is a beautiful thing. I am a sucker for beautiful things.

Again, what motivates individuals to do the things they do?

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
If there is one things I deeply thankful for is that I do not live your miserable existences.

In your own austrian tongue: I glads for you.

Not to have any ideals worth mentioning is one thing, but to feel the irresistible urge to ridicule others ideals is beyond pathetic.

You mean the way you relentlessly ridicule America?

Yes, I see your point- Any other confessions?

You two should be depressing, but in all honesty you are hilarious and a steady reminder to be humble and thankful that I am not cursed with your mental capacity.

Yes, you are the most humble person on the board. I think you demonstrate that humility when you are telling us how America as a country should think, act and treat others.

And as representing the worst that austria has to offer, you’re suggestions are, in virtually every case, attacked and exposed for the nonsense that they are.

Everyone always new you as a buffoon, and a nitwit, up to this very moment. But, now we have an entire new title in addition to the others, that is hypocrite.

Just when none of us thought you’d be able to crawl any deeper under your slimy rock you surprise us.

Tell me are there no austrian forums that you can haunt? Or perhaps some houses somewhere?

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Hupf in Gatsch und schlog´ a Wölln…

[quote]orion wrote:
Hupf in Gatsch und schlog´ a Wölln…[/quote]

No offense…but you Austrians need to work on your “hohedeutsch”. Das verstehe ich nicht.

:slight_smile:

As of 11:09am EST the Ron Paul campaign has received just over $10 million in donations this quarter with a month left. It’s probably reasonable to assume the final total by December 31st figures with total $13-$17 million.

Pretty soon the Ron Paul campaign will likely exceed the Q3 totals accumulated by front runner Rudy Giuliani ($10,258,019)*. Quite an interesting development these past months.

*Obviously this does not include the money Mitt Romney loaned to himself, otherwise Romney’s Q3 fund-raising totals still exceed Ron Paul’s present Q4 totals.

I hope the “top tier” candidates fund raising goes down again.

The best thing about Paul’s transparency is that on Jan 1 everyone will know exactly the result and be talking about it while the others compile their figures. This will give the Paul campaign an added advantage.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I hope the “top tier” candidates fund raising goes down again.

The best thing about Paul’s transparency is that on Jan 1 everyone will know exactly the result and be talking about it while the others compile their figures. This will give the Paul campaign an added advantage.[/quote]

So now RP is the big money candidate? He sounds shady to me. Sounds like people are going to call in a lot of favors if he is elected.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
So now RP is the big money candidate? He sounds shady to me. Sounds like people are going to call in a lot of favors if he is elected.
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Yep, alot of people like me expect something from our $100 dollars. Freedom…the best special interest ever.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
So now RP is the big money candidate? He sounds shady to me. Sounds like people are going to call in a lot of favors if he is elected.
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The problem isn’t necessarily quantitative but rather where such monies are acquired from. The Paul campaign is obviously grass roots-based as opposed to one based upon funding via special interest groups (this could range anywhere from the NAACP, AIPAC, and so forth to corporate interests; e.g., the pharmaceutical industry).

In fact, I believe the Paul campaign does not accept donations from corporations or other special interests.

This approach is probably identical to Ron Paul’s ability to raise money from individuals during his congressional campaigns.