Ron Paul On The Record

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:

I can disclose anything about myself, as long as others are open to do likewise.

Well, since you have come on here blathering about the likes of Mikeyali and anyone who won’t tow the Ron Paulie line not being a true American patriot and a traitor to Original Americanism, and it is clear you are not a native-born American, if an American at all - I think it is a fair question to see if you have the capital to back up your “if you don’t vote Ron Paul, you ain’t a true American” tantrum.

In the act of complete fair disclosure - since that seems to be a necessary trigger for you - I am an American and have been since birth.

I await your response.[/quote]

I’ve come to this forum to exchange ideas; i objected to the use “anti american” by mike28 and others, pointing to the fact anybody can come on a forum and wear “i am an american patriot” on his sleeve ( or adopt avatars of american icons).
Mikaely tried to establish a monopole on the patriot attribute, and i reminded him patriots aren’t usually as confused about issues as him (something confirmed by the lecture of his ensuing posts)
If you came here to establish who is american and who’s not, good luck to you.
I happen to be, but considering you already stated i’m not, i will let you win that pissing contest.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
i objected to the use “anti american” by mike28 and others,

You are anti-American.

You’re also a stupid kid.

And it’s “Mick28”.

Get it right.
[/quote]

Ignoring me yesterday, aknowledging me now.
Make up your mind.
Are you going to post more conspiracy stuff related to the air being safe to breathe in New York on 911, or have you relented?

[quote]jeffdirect wrote:

I’ve come to this forum to exchange ideas; i objected to the use “anti american” by mike28 and others, pointing to the fact anybody can come on a forum and wear “i am an american patriot” on his sleeve ( or adopt avatars of american icons).
Mikaely tried to establish a monopole on the patriot attribute, and i reminded him patriots aren’t usually as confused about issues as him (something confirmed by the lecture of his ensuing posts)
If you came here to establish who is american and who’s not, good luck to you.
I happen to be, but considering you already stated i’m not, i will let you win that pissing contest.[/quote]

You’ve no more come to this forum to “exchange ideas” than I have come here to get fashion tips.

Nor have I come here to establish who is American and who is not - I am here to expose your limitations and your fraud. You came in bleating about “true patriots” to an American ideal, and yet we see you are nothing close to being able to lecture on such things - it would be the equivalent of me lecturing Orion on what being a “true Austrian” is.

As for your sniveling evasiveness, you have shown us exactly what we needed to see from you - into the forum like a wannabe lion, and exposed as a mediocre lamb. Maybe you disagree with Mikeyali - no problem, but don’t come in gassing, questioning the man’s American patriotism when it’s clear you haven’t the posture to do so.

And you may well have acquired citizenship - I couldn’t care less. But your hyperventilating about “American patriotism” has only amused, and you’ve made an fool of yourself. Notice how you won’t answer my questions?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
it would be the equivalent of me lecturing Orion on what being a “true Austrian” is.[/quote]
Judging by where Orion gets his quotations, he just as well could be typing from the KKK headquarters.
Orion is a moron.

That makes you and your others Mick28/ Orion/…alter egos kings of the hill, right?
Is that the point you were trying to make?

DEAL.

( mikeyali has already enough issues to deal with on his own without me aggravating him)

That’s free entertainement for you and your alter egos; ain’t that great?

[quote]jeffdirect wrote:

That makes you and your others Mick28/ Orion/…alter egos kings of the hill, right?
Is that the point you were trying to make?[/quote]

Nope - still looking for answer to the original question. You keep bloviating about how real Americans should vote Ron Paul - so are you going to vote in 2008, and if so, is this your first vote as an American citizen, since it is clear you aren’t native to the country?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:

That makes you and your others Mick28/ Orion/…alter egos kings of the hill, right?
Is that the point you were trying to make?

Nope - still looking for answer to the original question. You keep bloviating about how real Americans should vote Ron Paul - so are you going to vote in 2008, and if so, is this your first vote as an American citizen, since it is clear you aren’t native to the country?[/quote]

You already made your point you believe me to be non american; should i then assert i’m a native non american?
Or is it better to be a non american with some distant american old pops ?

My scanned driving licence file is waiting to be posted here if you can show me where i said that.

You probably must have an unhealthy obsession with ron paul.

[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
it would be the equivalent of me lecturing Orion on what being a “true Austrian” is.
Judging by where Orion gets his quotations, he just as well could be typing from the KKK headquarters.
Orion is a moron.

[/quote]

Because he quotes sources you do not like?

I guess Orion can live with that.

[quote]jeffdirect wrote:

My scanned driving licence file is waiting to be posted here if you can show me where i said that.[/quote]

Let’s see, here is what you said in an earlier post:

I still think you’re a useless spineless coward, and i only hope one day you join a pro iraq war demonstration so i can stomp on your testicules and show you the way out of America.

Fantastic - what an ardent defender of Americanism you are, stomping your opponents testicles and frog marching them out of your country for wasting good American air on your watch. Get out of my America, says the right-knowing Jeffdirect!

What is the problem? Upset someone decided to pull your card?

No one took you very seriously before - now, even less?

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:

My scanned driving licence file is waiting to be posted here if you can show me where i said that.

Let’s see, here is what you said in an earlier post:

I still think you’re a useless spineless coward, and i only hope one day you join a pro iraq war demonstration so i can stomp on your testicules and show you the way out of America.

Fantastic - what an ardent defender of Americanism you are, stomping your opponents testicles and frog marching them out of your country for wasting good American air on your watch. Get out of my America, says the right-knowing Jeffdirect!

What is the problem? Upset someone decided to pull your card?

No one took you very seriously before - now, even less?[/quote]

I stand by what i said ( which isn’t what you alleged).

Is there any rational person who would contend Gung Ho cowards like Mikayeli wouldn’t be so bent in bashing foreign peasants and shopkeepers if they knew they had the same firepower as them?

There’s really nothing i would wish for more than to play John Wayne and God at the same time while my oponnent scrambled just to get enough food as not to starve.

I would love to be able to say i risked my life for my country, faced and conquered adversity ( runaway farmers terrified by the sight of armed soldiers), shoot one or two mothers coming back at down from the market under the pretext they didn’t answer my calls, and call it mission accomplished.

Then i could come back and give an interview on CNN and wear my patriotism on my sleeve.

Cretins like him don’t realise the wrong done to America’s standing in the world and the future dangers they are exposing our citizens at home as well as abroad.

Why doesn’t he go to Pakistan and the Arabian Emirates instead?

That’s where the 911 hijackers were from.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
i objected to the use “anti american” by mike28 and others,

You are anti-American.

You’re also a stupid kid.

And it’s “Mick28”.

Get it right.

Ignoring me yesterday, aknowledging me now.
Make up your mind.
Are you going to post more conspiracy stuff related to the air being safe to breathe in New York on 911, or have you relented?

Just like a stupid kid…you have me confused with someone else. Stupid little shit.

[/quote]

Shut the fuck up.

Your own post:

“Mick28 wrote:
jeffdirect,
It takes a special kind of ass clown to buy into unwarranted conspiracy theories. And it looks like you fit the bill. So this is just for you, enjoy:
http://www.2spare.com/...33.aspx

3 senators are jointly suing the EPA responsables for telling New Yorkers the air was safe to breathe.

Some unwarranted conspiracy theory, you said??

[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:

My scanned driving licence file is waiting to be posted here if you can show me where i said that.

Let’s see, here is what you said in an earlier post:

I still think you’re a useless spineless coward, and i only hope one day you join a pro iraq war demonstration so i can stomp on your testicules and show you the way out of America.

Fantastic - what an ardent defender of Americanism you are, stomping your opponents testicles and frog marching them out of your country for wasting good American air on your watch. Get out of my America, says the right-knowing Jeffdirect!

What is the problem? Upset someone decided to pull your card?

No one took you very seriously before - now, even less?

I stand by what i said ( which isn’t what you alleged).

Is there any rational person who would contend Gung Ho cowards like Mikayeli wouldn’t be so bent in bashing foreign peasants and shopkeepers if they knew they had the same firepower as them?

There’s really nothing more i would like more than to play John Wayne and God at the same time while my oponnent scrambled just to get enough food as not to starve.

I would love to be able to say i risked my life for my country, faced and conquered adversity ( runaway farmers terrified by the sight of armed soldiers), shoot one or two mothers coming back at down from the market under the pretext they didn’t answer my calls, and call it mission accomplished.

Then i could come back and give an interview on CNN and wear my patriotism on my sleeve.

Cretins like him don’t realise the wrong done to America’s standing in the world and the future dangers they are exposing our citizens at home as well as abroad.

Why doesn’t he go to Pakistan and the Arabian Emirates instead?

That’s where the 911 hijackers were from.

[/quote]

Go away troll.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Go away troll.[/quote]

Scared to face the tough questions, are we?

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Go away troll.

Scared to face the tough questions, are we?[/quote]

Don’t feed the troll Lixy. You’re better than that.

mike

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
I didn’t accuse you of those specific things, you have me confused with Mik. And you did that because you’re a stupid fucking little retarded anti-American asshole.

And those are your good qualities.
[/quote]

Learn how to post, jerko.

[quote]orion wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
it would be the equivalent of me lecturing Orion on what being a “true Austrian” is.
Judging by where Orion gets his quotations, he just as well could be typing from the KKK headquarters.
Orion is a moron.

Because he quotes sources you do not like?

I guess Orion can live with that.

[/quote]

You honestly have to wonder where a guy living in Austria gets to quote from the obscure Chilean anti communist league, of all places ?

This site goes to the extent of glorifying Pinochet,who murdered and tortured tens of thousands of oponents during his military anti democratic regime.

Has Austria banished all socialists parties ?

[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
orion wrote:
jeffdirect wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
it would be the equivalent of me lecturing Orion on what being a “true Austrian” is.
Judging by where Orion gets his quotations, he just as well could be typing from the KKK headquarters.
Orion is a moron.

Because he quotes sources you do not like?

I guess Orion can live with that.

You honestly have to wonder where a guy living in Austria gets to quote from the obscure Chilean anti communist league, of all places ?

This site goes to the extent of glorifying Pinochet,who murdered and tortured tens of thousands of oponents during his military anti democratic regime.

Has Austria banished all socialists parties ?

[/quote]

We have only socialist parties.

http://dartreview.com/archives/2007/10/14/ron_paul_md_speaks_on_health_care.php

Ron Paul On Health Care:

By A. S. Erickson

On September 29th Texas Congressman and Republican Presidential Candidate Dr. Ron Paul–the only candidate who is a doctor–spoke to students of Dartmouth Medical School about his health care platform. A palpable air of anticipation filled the room prior to Paul taking the lectern. The students in the room, predominately liberal, were actually excited to hear what this Republican had to say about health care. I’ve seen talking heads assign Paul’s popularity on college campuses to his stance on the Iraq War (decidedly non-interventionist), but in the auditorium students weren’t talking about foreign policy. Instead, praise for Paul abounded based on his honesty and integrity. Students knew that he said what he actually believed, and, if elected, he would act on what he has promised.

Paul began his remarks by telling students that, “the medical system is going well except for a few groups: the patients, the doctors, the hospitals, the labs, and the politicians. Everybody else is happy.”

Paul weaved commentary on the current health care situation into a short autobiographical speech. He spoke of getting drafted for the Vietnam War in 1962, fresh out of Duke Medical School. He commented that working for the Army wasn’t so bad as his pay went from $195 per month in residency to $700. While in the military he moonlighted three nights a month at the local hospital.

“The amazing thing was it was the city hospital and there was no government; there [was] very little insurance and nobody was turned away whether they were illegal or legal, and nobody, nobody was quizzed. If you didn’t have the money, you didn’t pay, and people came in, and it wasn’t that bad. People didn’t lay on the side walks. You’re more likely to hear stories today of people being neglected in emergency rooms…and dying on stretchers–because we have managed care.” Paul often came back to this point in referencing the health problems of today. He is certain that the problems with today’s health care stem from too much government involvement, not too little. “This whole idea that we need centralized economic planning in anything is a fallacy, and it’s a temptation to say, ‘Yes, we can’t have central economic planning for electronics, televisions, and cell phones because we want efficiency of delivery service, but medicine is different.’”

A major problem with today’s society, according to Paul, is the confusion of “needs” and “rights”: “We have rights to our lives and liberty and we have a right to pursue our happiness and we should have the right to keep the fruits of our labor. We have a moral obligation to help our fellow man.” That doesn’t mean, however, that we have a right to affordable health care.
Paul noted that because of all these governmental programs “charity work doesn’t seem to exist anymore; yet there was a time when there was substantial charity work…We’ve gotten this way because the government put us this way.”

Accordingly Paul warned strongly against socialized medicine, which he feels is just around the corner, i.e. the current push for universal health care. One aspect of medicine that disappears with increased government tinkering is “the doctor patient relationship. That’s about dead in this country, and that to me is the most important thing in medicine.” The more the government gets involved, Paul explained, the farther we get away from that ideal.

Paul was also highly critical of current insurance schemes, claiming that the only things that should be insured are surgeries and other high cost possibilities. Instead of insurance for things like a check-up, Paul favored a medical savings account. “We should allow every individual to take a $3,000 tax credit, and they can put that away and use it to go and pay for their doctor visits.”

“We as a people have really lost confidence in freedom.” He noted that this misplaced confidence made no sense, sighting cell phones as an area where, because of freedom, costs have gone down, and availability has gone up. On the other side of the spectrum is the Katrina/Rita disaster–which was spearheaded by the government.

Perhaps surprisingly for a doctor, Paul encourages more competition in the field of medicine. Noting that many alternative methods of care have sprouted up in recent years, Paul said the competition would be in the best interest of the patients. The only thing he cautioned against was fraud, i.e. registered nurses putting M.D. behind their names. Once more coming back to his core principle Paul stated, “Politically, I believe in freedom of choice.” When Paul’s time at Dartmouth Medical School came to a close, the students responded by giving him a standing ovation. His message was simple: “Under the Constitution, government shouldn’t be in medicine.”