Ron Paul On The Record

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MrRezister wrote:
If Paul continues to get buried and gains only “internet supporters” then the Republicans are basically doomed the way things stand now.
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“Internet support” is still support. Do not think that internet grass-roots are ineffective in spreading a message. What does it matter where the message comes from? People who use the internet still interact with the “real” world.

I would have known nothing about Ron Paul if not for the internet; and let me tell you it doesn’t matter that I am just an “internet” supporter because I am also a “real” supporter as well.

Ron Paul also has democratic party appeal as well–what is more liberal than “live and let live”?

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[quote]
MrRezister wrote:
I don’t see how Edwards could win otherwise, he seems like a well-coiffed conman.

Mick28 wrote:
Does the name “Bill Clinton” mean anything to you?[/quote]

Touche’. I’d like to hope that voters would see right through the “two America’s” spiel, especially coming from a multi-multi-millionaire. But then I must remember the public’s short memory and fascination with fame.

An excellent point I completely overlooked. (Bowled over by the power of Hillary, I guess.) In this case, I wonder if she might be smart to tag Richardson. He has some crossover appeal (see: immigration), I might even vote for him under extreme circumstances.

Coming out of South Carolina, Edwards might be able to pass himself off as southern enough with that accent (Bush was convincing enough) leading to Clinton/Edwards. Might be unstoppable.

Under these circumstances, I still feel obliged to lend whatever support I can to Dr. Paul. Is it a lost cause? Well, if I were a True Believer, you can bet your ass I’d be asking St. Jude for some serious mojo. All the same, I’m doing what I can. If Paul can’t get on the ticket, I can hope that enough of the other GOP’ers will notice that the the people are indeed looking for leadership - just in a direction different than where they are marching.

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Don’t underestimate the internet.

Ron Paul has already appeared on the Daily Show, Bill Maher, and all of the major news networks multiple times.

Check Youtube and watch the videos yourself.

He has, so far, exceeded all expectations. The old sentiment was, “nice that he’s running, but he doesn’t stand a chance…” The new sentiment is, “how far will he go?”

It would be foolish to count out Ron Paul at a time when there are no clear alternatives and his popularity has been consistently rising.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:

Because the main stream media (which I normally hate, but cannot question them on this one) knows something that you don’t.

And that is…

Ron Paul is a dud and can’t win.

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That would mean that they create the reality they believe in.

So what if Ron Paul could win, if only he got enough media coverage?

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[quote]orion wrote:
That would mean that they create the reality they believe in.
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Exactly. This is why we should not pay attention to mainstream media and the polls they tout. The news media makes up their own reality and tries to predict popular behavior based on their own agenda (ratings) which in the end only brainwashes the public into a particular mindset.

The public has forgotten how to question on their own and relies to heavily on mainstream news media. Its really too sad.

108

How dedicated is Ron Paul to the idea of being frugal with the American Taxpayer’s hard-earned money? He voted AGAINST awarding Ronald Reagan a congressional Gold Medal because it would cost the taxpayers $30k, Instead, he offered to donate $100 of his own money to the cause, and encouraged the other representatives to do the same.
Source:
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2000/cr040300.htm

Maybe that’s not as big a deal as it seems, but the sentiment behind that act is something that I think should be encouraged in our public servants.

109

I checked Ron Paul’s website, and there was some stuff on there about everything mentioned on this site, but I have to know, what are his stances on the domestic social issues, like gay marriage, abortion, those things?

About 30 of my friends on Facebook are supporting him as their presidential candidate, but I have no idea what to think about him.

Crap. Does this mean I have to register?

-Gendou

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[quote]gendou57 wrote:
I checked Ron Paul’s website, and there was some stuff on there about everything mentioned on this site, but I have to know, what are his stances on the domestic social issues, like gay marriage, abortion, those things?[/quote]

Abortion:
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=634

Gay Marriage:
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=590

A little searching at the Ron Paul Library should turn up just about everything you want to know about.

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/

If you like the guy’s views, by all means please do. Be prepared to be told you’re wasting your time, but don’t give up if you think he’s worth supporting. Check your area for local boosters at ronpaul.meetup.com

More support can’t hurt his chances. Call your local talk radio shows, post flyers, the whole bit. I’m doing it, it’s nice to find someone worthy of a little enthusiasm for a change.

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[quote]gendou57 wrote:
I checked Ron Paul’s website, and there was some stuff on there about everything mentioned on this site, but I have to know, what are his stances on the domestic social issues, like gay marriage, abortion, those things?
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Are you ready for something “profound”? It doesn’t matter what he believes is right because he doesn’t think the federal government has a constitutional right to legislate these matters.

He is pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, against defining marriage constitutionally. He may believe a particular ideal to be true that you do not but in theory and practice would not try to legislate these matters at a federal level. I am very liberal in these matters and would feel comfortable supporting this candidate.

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His view on the immigration bill kicks ass:

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=601

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He did well for himself on Colbert as well:

http://dailypaul.com/node/332#comments

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Cunnivore wrote:
Mick28 wrote:

So you’re the one!

Someone’s gotta do it.

Oh, and nice job trying to discourage me from voting for the person I think is best suited for the job, by the way - keep up the good work!

Discourage you?

You can be discouraged that easily?

Oh that’s right you’re a Ron Paul supporter. It doesn’t take much to sway you away from that loser.

I like it when he debates with the real candidates. Did you see Rudy own him in the last debate?

I don’t like Rudy but you can see clearly the difference between the real candidates and people like Ron Paul when they’re all up there on stage together.

Ron Paul lacks something…no wait, he lacks everything from charisma to financial support.

But I don’t mind if you vote for him. That’s one vote that basically won’t count toward any of the others that can actually win.

So…go ahead.[/quote]

Oh please, I saw the debates on CNN and Paul and Tancredo were the only ones capaple of remotely staying on the topic of the actual question. For right or wrong at least they had actual opinions instead of just some disembodied voice of whatever money controls them.

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It is too bad he is so isolationist on foreign policy.

We could use more congressmen like him but he seems a bit one dimensional to be president.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
gendou57 wrote:

Crap. Does this mean I have to register?

-Gendou

One more problem with the Ron Paul supporters.

The 18 to 25 age group votes less than any other block of voters. And that’s the only place that Paul has any serious support.

Understand yet?
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I read all your arguments on the last several pages, and poked around some on the rest of the internet, and I agree, I don’t think Ron Paul is going to get the nomination.

I’m just excited that someone in congress actually says some of the stuff that he says. I’m sure some of the congressmen think it (I give the benefit of the doubt that most of them think), but few would say it.

Mostly though, I just wanted to see how far his views intersected with mine, and judging from the links provided, him and I don’t mesh on a social spectrum.

-Gendou

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[quote]gendou57 wrote:

Mostly though, I just wanted to see how far his views intersected with mine, and judging from the links provided, him and I don’t mesh on a social spectrum.

-Gendou[/quote]

He’s running for President and he thinks that most social issues should be decided by the states rather than the Federal government. What’s not to mesh?

Abortion? [quote]
The only reason a federal law has any legitimacy in this area is that the Supreme Court took it upon itself to federalize abortion via Roe v. Wade. Accordingly, wrestling the abortion issue from the federal courts and putting it back in the hands of the elected legislature comports with the Founder’s view of the separation of powers that protects our rights to life, liberty, and property.
-Ron Paul
June 4, 2003[/quote]

Gay Marriage?

[quote]I also am concerned that the proposed amendment, by telling the individual states how their state constitutions are to be interpreted, is a major usurpation of the states’ power. The division of power between the federal government and the states is one of the virtues of the American political system. Altering that balance endangers self-government and individual liberty. However, if federal judges wrongly interfere and attempt to compel a state to recognize the marriage licenses of another state, that would be the proper time for me to consider new legislative or constitutional approaches.
-Ron Paul
September 30, 2004[/quote]

Do you want those issues decided by the Federal Government? I honestly don’t trust them that much with my life or personal decisions.

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
The Internet is a great way to gain support and launch a campaign. But eventually you have to catch on with the main stream media. Have you noticed that no such thing is happening?[/quote]

No. I’ve noticed the very opposite, in fact. I’ve noticed a libertarian participating in 3 consecutive, nationally-televised debates, with several more scheduled, and making the rounds on all the mainstream political talk shows. This has never happened before, as far as I’m aware.

Jump for joy. Well, maybe not you. Because you’re wrong.

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[quote]MrRezister wrote:
gendou57 wrote:

Mostly though, I just wanted to see how far his views intersected with mine, and judging from the links provided, him and I don’t mesh on a social spectrum.

-Gendou

He’s running for President and he thinks that most social issues should be decided by the states rather than the Federal government. What’s not to mesh?

Abortion?
The only reason a federal law has any legitimacy in this area is that the Supreme Court took it upon itself to federalize abortion via Roe v. Wade. Accordingly, wrestling the abortion issue from the federal courts and putting it back in the hands of the elected legislature comports with the Founder’s view of the separation of powers that protects our rights to life, liberty, and property.
-Ron Paul
June 4, 2003

Gay Marriage?
I also am concerned that the proposed amendment, by telling the individual states how their state constitutions are to be interpreted, is a major usurpation of the states’ power. The division of power between the federal government and the states is one of the virtues of the American political system. Altering that balance endangers self-government and individual liberty. However, if federal judges wrongly interfere and attempt to compel a state to recognize the marriage licenses of another state, that would be the proper time for me to consider new legislative or constitutional approaches.
-Ron Paul
September 30, 2004

Do you want those issues decided by the Federal Government? I honestly don’t trust them that much with my life or personal decisions.[/quote]

Great googly MOOGLY I don’t want those issues decided by the federal government. Abortion should be decided by states, and marriage shouldn’t even BE an issue.

I have to eat, I’ll expound on these latter. But suffice to say, these issues wouldn’t stop me from voting for the man, simply recognizing differences in views about what the outcomes should be. I’d suspect he would like abortion to be illegal across America, and I’m not quite ready to take that stance. He obviously believes marriage should be between a Man and a Woman, and I don’t think the government should get involved in a religious institution. Small differences of opinion, noted.

Don’t think that THOSE are what would dissuade me from voting for him.

-Gendou