Ron Paul footage from the third Republican Debate on June 5:
In all honesty (that’s directed at you, Mick), I can say that this is his best performance yet and he seems to be improving each time he goes on. I definitely think that his true character is coming out. You can see it his responses on pre-emptive war and Christianity on the above video.
My predictions are coming true. Give him another half a year and “nobody” will be calling him a “nobody candidate” anymore.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Ron Paul footage from the third Republican Debate on June 5:
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Holy crap!
Someone with an ability to think clearly and cut through the bullshit!
Secure the border, leave moral issues at the state level, stop trying to promote democracy through the barrel of a gun, stop running such huge deficits, who is this guy?
I’d vote for him if I was still in the USA.
I hope that isn’t enough to sound the death knell on his campaign!
Ron Paul Polling 3-5% Higher but Ignored and Considered Not Statistically Important?
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Keep in mind I never said that they guy didn’t fall on the right side of many issues. I just said that he has no chance. And I’m willing to bet on it, and you’re not.
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Well if he falls on the “right side” of many issues, I’m a little confused as to why you are so proud of your willingness to bet against him. Is it the name recognition? The money? The poll numbers? Can any of those change significantly in the next year? Are those the criteria by which we’re supposed to be picking our candidates? If not, what are you so excited about?
[quote]MrRezister wrote:
Well if he falls on the “right side” of many issues, I’m a little confused as to why you are so proud of your willingness to bet against him. Is it the name recognition? The money? The poll numbers? Can any of those change significantly in the next year? Are those the criteria by which we’re supposed to be picking our candidates? If not, what are you so excited about?[/quote]
Apparently Mick’s job is in the field of duping the public, so I think it is professional pride… 
Mick, you want me to make a bet on a position that I never took.
Understand that there is a middle ground between winning the nomimation and not making any statistical showing. That’s where I’m at, so if you came up with a bet reflecting that (don’t ask me how), then, perhaps I’d be in.
I was thinking about the issue some more, and I realized the following:
The conventional wisdom right now is that the Reps simply aren’t going to win the election, no matter who they run. So it’s a given win for the Dems, right? But consider that the two primary Democratic candidates are a woman and an Uncle Tom who went to Harvard. The woman is not just any woman, it’s Hillary Clinton.
Is the US voting population going to elect it’s first female president at this point? I strongly doubt it, especially if that woman is Hillary. Too many people are already polarized against her. Clinton will NOT be the next president, of this I am sure.
So what about Obama? He may be the least-polarizing candidate. However, he’s also an African-American liberal populist. I don’t think he’ll win because I don’t seem him capable of pulling votes from the right-wing base. He does have a better chance than Hillary, though.
As for the mainstream Republican candidates, it’s going to be Romney, unless he pulls a Dean. I have a strong gut instinct about this. I’m from Mass, so I already know who the guy is. And soon, so will everyone else. He’ll emerge as the front-runner among the “establishment” candidates on the right. Rudy is too iffy and turns too many people off, similar to Hillary, and McCain is too much of a neocon hawk to attract moderate and liberal votes.
Romney governs one of the most liberal states in the Union and is his pet issue is universal healthcare. He has the best chance and is the only serious threat to Ron Paul on the right. He has good hair, warm charisma and just a little bit of a JFK quality to him. The public will catch on unless he fucks up somehow.
What about Ron Paul? He’s the wildcard. He could pull votes from just about ANYBODY except for the neocons. And this entire election is going to be reaction to 8 years of neocon rule. Are we about to elect ANOTHER neocon to office? I doubt it, and even Republican analysts agree, which is why they are ready to give up already. They have not considered the possibility of an ANTI-NEOCON candidate coming from the right.
If ever a libertarian/paleo-conservative candidate could be elected, this is the time. This is the last chance. There you have it. Ron Paul in 2008.
“There was a time when nobody even knew who was a member of the CFR or the Trilateral Commission. I think it’s a bad sign that they’re not as secret as they used to be. They’re bolder now. But there is an agenda. They’re behind the scenes in many way - very secretive.”
–Ron Paul
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
You’re stating that Romney is a neocon? I don’t know about that one.[/quote]
Every candidate running except for Ron Paul and Mike Gravel is a neocon. As far as being anti-neocon, nobody alive can touch Ron Paul’s record. He is THE Supreme anti-neocon. He can and will eat anybody alive in a debate on foreign policy, just wait and see. Eventually they will get a chance to speak for more than 30 seconds at a time (and Ron Paul will get more than 6 minutes out of 2 hours of debate time) and then the show will really be over for the neocon candidates.
Anyone who follows the libertarian movement and reads sites like LewRockwell knows how much damage could be done to the establishment if real alternatives recieve national coverage.
The election will be huge, if for no other reason, than the fact that libertarian viewpoints will finally recieve at least some mainstream attention. This is the real goal of the campaign and any progress made on this front counts as a win.
The very fact that a libertarian has been allowed to stand next to the establishment candidates, and has participated in each of the debates so far, is a MAJOR victory.
This is something that the movement has been fighting for for a very long time. And only Ron Paul could do it. He’s the only libertarian with enough political experience who could pull off a move like that. He’s not a nobody, he’s a maverick Congressman from Texas who is well known to those on the right. He’s “the one exception to the gang of 535 on Capitol Hill”.
Look, if you don’t get it by now then you probably never will. I can’t tell you how amazing and revolutionary it is that libertarian points of view are being aired on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and all the major networks. And this is just the beginning. There will be many, many more months to come. This is a revolution, and everything must be done to make it succeed. It’s unlikely that the chance will ever arise again. We’re fighting for nothing less than the survival of the West.
LOL @ the libertarian cult fighting for the survival of the west.
Yeah…
[quote]Jack_Dempsey wrote:
LOL @ the libertarian cult fighting for the survival of the west.
Yeah…[/quote]
What’s so funny about it?
The neocons say the same thing. As do the liberals. And the fundamentalists. Everyone thinks they’re fighting for the survival of the west. The libertarians just happen to be right, that’s all. The Western world is headed downhill and a few people know what can be done to save it. Many others don’t.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
But it’s going to happen now right?
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I didn’t say it was going to, I said that it could, and that fact, by itself, makes it significant and worth fighting for. I have already seen a revolution in this country. The policies of militarism and deficit spending have been seriously challenged on the major news networks.
That is a first, to the best of my knowledge. Ron Paul brought that about, and he’s only getting started. I, like every other libertarian and traditional conservative, will be watching and enjoying the fallout from this campaign.
Ron Paul wins every time his name is mentioned on the MSM.
[quote]doogie wrote:
“There was a time when nobody even knew who was a member of the CFR or the Trilateral Commission. I think it’s a bad sign that they’re not as secret as they used to be. They’re bolder now. But there is an agenda. They’re behind the scenes in many way - very secretive.”
–Ron Paul[/quote]
“The one who cannot see that on Earth a big endeavor is taking place,
an important plan, on which realization we are allowed to collaborate
as faithful servants, certainly has to be blind”
