Today’s version of Letters of Marque and Reprisal is a bit different than the narrow and anachronistic version Zap seems to hold to. I can’t believe he’s limiting it to little wood boats and pirates. Aaarrgh.
Your arguments are very weak.
Be glad you’re not running for president against Dr. Paul. He would waste you in an instant with your brand of nonsensicle interpretation and misquoting strategies.
[quote]IHateGymMorons wrote:
Today’s version of Letters of Marque and Reprisal is a bit different than the narrow and anachronistic version Zap seems to hold to. I can’t believe he’s limiting it to little wood boats and pirates. Aaarrgh.
Your arguments are very weak.
Be glad you’re not running for president against Dr. Paul. He would waste you in an instant with your brand of nonsensicle interpretation and misquoting strategies.[/quote]
We already covered the use of bounty hunters and mercenaries in addition to Ron Paul’s anachronistic Letters of Marque.
Read the rest of the thread and then you can suck Paul’s dick.
And I could never run for president because I am an honorable man, unlike Paul who voted for a war he opposed and the leaves the soldiers hanging.
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Of course that solution would have been much better.
In Rightwingoverse, Al-Quaida has underground bunkers, a tight commando structure and is busy commanding their soldiers through satellite communication.
However, in reality they ride on donkeys. They don’t use Cellphones and they are practically uncentralized so that that trying to find a HQ Cave and bombing the shit out of it is futile.
Big scale military solutions are out of the question.
Higly motivated professionals who know the land would be an excellent choice for combating muslimic extremists.[/quote]
So why haven’t the bounties on the top al Queda leaders worked?
ADDENDUM: So it’s already been covered but not answered. Why would $25M US be too little for Afghani or Pakistani or Indian-based people who know the territory and culture. They may be too small for Blackwater, a U.S. agency that would need to go in and establish connections, devote resources, etc. - but why not enough for locals?
My guess is because the locals are dirt poor,and the ability to take time off making a living,in order to go and connect with and hunt down individuals,is something they don’t have.
The bounty can be however large,if you don’t have the funds to pursue it,it’s going to be ineffective.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
After 9/11 Ron Paul suggested the US issue Letters of Marque and Reprisal. This allows privateers to practice legalized piracy against enemy shipping.
Since the 9/11 attacks were planned and funded by a group based in Afghanistan I assumed he meant to issue these against Afghan shipping. Of course Afghanistan is landlocked so I am not sure how many ships fly that flag.
Perhaps he meant that these could be used on land as well and private armies could invade, rape and rob Afghanistan in their search for Bin Laden.
In the latest debate he tried to make a point that 9/11 was the responsibility of 19 people and we should not be involved in Afghanistan at all.
I have been trying to reconcile all this in my head and I can see no rational explanation for his thinking on the subject.
The idea of Letter of Marque against a land locked country seems ludicrous on it’s face.
If it is expanded to include private armies on Afghan land it seems pretty harsh to condone that type of indiscriminate rape, murder and theft against the population of any nation. Very harsh.
Now his stance seems to be that the atrocity was committed by 19 individuals who are now dead and we should take no action.
How can he do this flip flop? Why isn’t he called out on it?[/quote]
Did it ever occur to you to type “Ron Paul” followed by, “Letter of Marque” into a search engine and get a more detailed explanation?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
He seems a doddering old fool to make this kind of argument. What am I missing?[/quote]
A healthy respect for legal precedent, which reveals a lack of wisdom on your part.
Look, the whole thing comes down to treating terrorism as an act of crime instead of an act of war. Consequently, targeting the perpetrators and no one else. It’s not hard to see why a libertarian would take this position.
Libertarians such as Harry Browne have advocated placing a bounty on foreign leaders who seriously threaten the United States (as unlikely as this would be under a libertarian foreign policy).
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
As Lift pointed out we would need a billion dollar bounty to get Blackwater chasing the guy. Unfortunately they would need most of it in advance to gear up for the hunt.
Doesn’t make too much sense, does it?[/quote]
Who said it needs to be Blackwater? For 25 mil, it could be the AQ stable boy.
[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you to type “Ron Paul” followed by, “Letter of Marque” into a search engine and get a more detailed explanation?
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I did that before I started the topic and all I saw was foolishness. I am trying to get an intelligent plan from one of his supporters. I have yet to see it.
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Who said it needs to be Blackwater? For 25 mil, it could be the AQ stable boy.[/quote]
And it still hasn’t happened yet.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Most nations think mercenaries are the lowest form of life and would rather have foreign troops in their nation. Witness what is happening in Afghanistan and Iraq today. They are trying to kick out the mercenaries and keep the professional foreign soldiers.[/quote]
Mercs are where the term “Unlawful Combatants” has more traditionally been applied. Angola executed Daniel Gearhart for advertising himself as a merc.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you to type “Ron Paul” followed by, “Letter of Marque” into a search engine and get a more detailed explanation?
I did that before I started the topic and all I saw was foolishness. I am trying to get an intelligent plan from one of his supporters. I have yet to see it.
And you won’t see it. From Paul on down they spew campaign rhetoric.
Hey…let’s call it a crime and not an act of war, that’s unique and will attract all of the people who are against the war in Iraq.
But when push comes to shove they’re mostly full of shit as you can plainly see Zap.
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Yes, let us call it a crime.
Let us call nothing a war that does not have a government behind it to declare war on and that can`t be ended with a signing on a battleship.
No war on drugs, no war on poverty and no war on terror.
Yay, to less BS in politics.
edited to make sense
And if one more cumguzzler explains to us why Ron Paul is crazy with his letters of marque idea I´d like him to explain to us how practically introducing mercenaries to modern warfare and pay them if they help or hurt the outcome is a much cleverer idea.
[quote]orion wrote:
And if one more cumguzzler explains to us why Ron Paul is crazy with his letters of marque idea I´d like him to explain to us how practically introducing mercenaries to modern warfare and pay them if they help or hurt the outcome is a much cleverer idea.
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LOL!
You said cumguzzler!
Dustin
[quote]orion wrote:
And if one more cumguzzler explains to us why Ron Paul is crazy with his letters of marque idea I´d like him to explain to us how practically introducing mercenaries to modern warfare and pay them if they help or hurt the outcome is a much cleverer idea.
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The market has spoken. There must be a need somewhere.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
orion wrote:
And if one more cumguzzler explains to us why Ron Paul is crazy with his letters of marque idea I´d like him to explain to us how practically introducing mercenaries to modern warfare and pay them if they help or hurt the outcome is a much cleverer idea.
The market has spoken. There must be a need somewhere.[/quote]
There has allways been a market for death.
We tried to like, make it illegal.
Civilized nations that is.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
So why haven’t the bounties on the top al Queda leaders worked?
ADDENDUM: So it’s already been covered but not answered. Why would $25M US be too little for Afghani or Pakistani or Indian-based people who know the territory and culture. They may be too small for Blackwater, a U.S. agency that would need to go in and establish connections, devote resources, etc. - but why not enough for locals?[/quote]
Ransoms have worked quite well in capturing top Abu Sayef leaders in the Phillipinnes.
mike
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
orion wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you to type “Ron Paul” followed by, “Letter of Marque” into a search engine and get a more detailed explanation?
I did that before I started the topic and all I saw was foolishness. I am trying to get an intelligent plan from one of his supporters. I have yet to see it.
And you won’t see it. From Paul on down they spew campaign rhetoric.
Hey…let’s call it a crime and not an act of war, that’s unique and will attract all of the people who are against the war in Iraq.
But when push comes to shove they’re mostly full of shit as you can plainly see Zap.
Yes, let us call it a crime.
Let us call nothing a war that does not have a government behind it to declare war on and that can`t be ended with a signing on a battleship.
No war on drugs, no war on poverty and no war on terror.
Yay, to less BS in politics.
edited to make sense
When I want the opinion of a skank austrian whore I’ll ask for it.
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And that is all you have?
Ad hominems?
Admit that you work for the government. Your organized denial of reality has to come from somewhere.
[quote]Mick28 wrote:
No, I’m just tired of skags like you attacking this great country.
Now…see my comment above.
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OMG, how high up the administration are you?
Janitor in Chief?
Waging the war on stuck toilets?
Don´t let them clog boy, or otherwise they win!