FYI Ron Paul will be on Diane Rehm’s on NPR tomorrow
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
FYI Ron Paul will be on Diane Rehm’s on NPR tomorrow [/quote]
Thanks for the heads up.
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LOL, Mike Huckabee will become President when pigs fly.
I’ll be voting for Ron Paul if I get the chance. He’ll be the first president since JFK that won’t be a puppet. He wants to end the Federal Reserve. This being said, he’ll never be president exactly for those reasons. The establishment won’t let it happen.
@ThunderBolt
I live in Indiana. Mitch Daniels pretty much sucks. The budget will be balanced, which sounds good. But it’s not. Everything’s privatized which is supposed to save money, but it doesn’t. Our state taxes climb higher and higher (I pay almost as much in state as I do in federal) and we have fees (toll roads, parking meters, increased fast food tax, etc.) to the private companies added on top of that.
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
I’ll be voting for Ron Paul if I get the chance. He’ll be the first president since JFK that won’t be a puppet. He wants to end the Federal Reserve. This being said, he’ll never be president exactly for those reasons. The establishment won’t let it happen.[/quote]
Just exactly how does “the establishment” keep Paul from becoming President?
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
@ThunderBolt
I live in Indiana. (I pay almost as much in state as I do in federal)[/quote]
No you don’t.
And since I’m on this thread I’d like to encourage all the 20 somthing’s who are starry eyed and gaga over Ron Paul (and the rage against the machine) to take the beer money that they were going to give to Paul and donate it to something that will actually make a difference. If you don’t like any other candidate who can actually win, then just pick a good local charity. At least then you’ll know that your money won’t be wasted.
But none of you believe me huh?
Ha…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
@ThunderBolt
I live in Indiana. (I pay almost as much in state as I do in federal)[/quote]
No you don’t.
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Yes I do. Don’t tell me what I pay in taxes. After a quick check to make sure of the numbers: Federal Tax Paid in 2010: $1984. State Tax Paid in 2010: $1627.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
I’ll be voting for Ron Paul if I get the chance. He’ll be the first president since JFK that won’t be a puppet. He wants to end the Federal Reserve. This being said, he’ll never be president exactly for those reasons. The establishment won’t let it happen.[/quote]
Just exactly how does “the establishment” keep Paul from becoming President?[/quote]
Corporate media spewing government propaganda. That’s how.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
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LOL, Mike Huckabee will become President when pigs fly.[/quote]Especially since he just announced he’s not running.
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
@ThunderBolt
I live in Indiana. (I pay almost as much in state as I do in federal)[/quote]
No you don’t.
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Yes I do. Don’t tell me what I pay in taxes. After a quick check to make sure of the numbers: Federal Tax Paid in 2010: $1984. State Tax Paid in 2010: $1627.
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Are you a paper boy?
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]ssz28envy wrote:
I’ll be voting for Ron Paul if I get the chance. He’ll be the first president since JFK that won’t be a puppet. He wants to end the Federal Reserve. This being said, he’ll never be president exactly for those reasons. The establishment won’t let it happen.[/quote]
Just exactly how does “the establishment” keep Paul from becoming President?[/quote]
Corporate media spewing government propaganda. That’s how.[/quote]
The “corporate media” as in the same media that shilled for Obama to get him elected? You mean that media? No wait, if they were “corporate” then they’d be for the republicans which would be for lower corporate taxes. But then ron paul with libertarian leanings is for lower corporate taxes Right? Right?
Do you even know what you mean when you say “corporate media”? No, no you don’t.
There’s much to be said for Ron Paul - for example, his consistency and independence. On the other hand, however correct he might be on many issues, he often seems like a confused old man, as well as a bit unaware of how he sounds - he’s frankly a bad communicator. If he were ever to get the nomination, the full glare of the media would destroy him. I like him - I just don’t think he’s presidential material.
Let’s be honest: it’s a pretty weak field so far - which is sad given the extremity of our situation and the vulnerability of BO.
I really like Cain - I think he’d rip BO to shreds in a debate; he gets up and speaks for an hour with no notes or teleprompter; he knows what he’s talking about and speaks straight from his heart and mind; and he’s extremely comfortable with long and detailed and unscripted exchanges with the press, which is rare among politicians.
Cain is a former FED chairman. He wouldn’t change any of the fundamentals that need to be changed.
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
Cain is a former FED chairman. He wouldn’t change any of the fundamentals that need to be changed.[/quote]
yep - my number one priority, however, is to oust BO with as conservative a candidate as we can get. If the Republicans control the House AND the Senate, a great deal can be accomplished wrt the Fed.
The other thing about Cain is, he’ll drive the liberal left and MSM bat shit crazy: he’s a conservative black man and refuses to return to the “plantation” of the Democratic Party. He’ll reveal plainly the racist underpinnings of much of the liberal left.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
Cain is a former FED chairman. He wouldn’t change any of the fundamentals that need to be changed.[/quote]
yep - my number one priority, however, is to oust BO with as conservative a candidate as we can get. If the Republicans control the House AND the Senate, a great deal can be accomplished wrt the Fed.
The other thing about Cain is, he’ll drive the liberal left and MSM bat shit crazy: he’s a conservative black man and refuses to return to the “plantation” of the Democratic Party. He’ll reveal plainly the racist underpinnings of much of the liberal left. [/quote]
We agree on a lot of things Kat, but you know that Cain is NEVER going to be elected to the Presidency right?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
Cain is a former FED chairman. He wouldn’t change any of the fundamentals that need to be changed.[/quote]
yep - my number one priority, however, is to oust BO with as conservative a candidate as we can get. If the Republicans control the House AND the Senate, a great deal can be accomplished wrt the Fed.
The other thing about Cain is, he’ll drive the liberal left and MSM bat shit crazy: he’s a conservative black man and refuses to return to the “plantation” of the Democratic Party. He’ll reveal plainly the racist underpinnings of much of the liberal left. [/quote]
We agree on a lot of things Kat, but you know that Cain is NEVER going to be elected to the Presidency right? [/quote]
ZEB, I merely said I like him; whether he’s got a realistic shot at the nomination/presidency is another question altogether.
However, this does bring up something interesting: it seems to me that we’re “trained” to ask that question (“is he truly electable?”) relentlessly; and I think it may well be the reason we end up with McCains and Mitt Witts. If we were discussing the chances of a complete no one in the last election, an obscure senator with an outrageously left-leaning record, what would we have concluded?
If independents really like Cain (once they let go of Paul), I don’t see any reason why not. But it’s too early to tell, I think, for many reasons.
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]katzenjammer wrote:
[quote]Gaius Octavius wrote:
Cain is a former FED chairman. He wouldn’t change any of the fundamentals that need to be changed.[/quote]
yep - my number one priority, however, is to oust BO with as conservative a candidate as we can get. If the Republicans control the House AND the Senate, a great deal can be accomplished wrt the Fed.
The other thing about Cain is, he’ll drive the liberal left and MSM bat shit crazy: he’s a conservative black man and refuses to return to the “plantation” of the Democratic Party. He’ll reveal plainly the racist underpinnings of much of the liberal left. [/quote]
We agree on a lot of things Kat, but you know that Cain is NEVER going to be elected to the Presidency right? [/quote]
ZEB, I merely said I like him; whether he’s got a realistic shot at the nomination/presidency is another question altogether.
However, this does bring up something interesting: it seems to me that we’re “trained” to ask that question (“is he truly electable?”) relentlessly; and I think it may well be the reason we end up with McCains and Mitt Witts.[/quote]
It’s not that I have been trained to ask that question. It’s that I have studied Presidential history from 1960 to the present. I feel that I have an understanding of why people choose a candidate. And most on the PWI board seem to think the general populace is as engaged in politics as they are. This could not be further from the truth. We must look at candidates the way that the average person looks at them if we are to be able to predict who will be the next President.
That’s actually not true. After GW’s popularity plummeted, it was a given that a democrat was going to be the next Commander and Chief. Very early on I assumed Hillary. But once the liberal establishment threw her under the bus for Obama the writing was on the wall. And then the liberal media kicked into high gear and it was a piece of cake predicting very early that Obama would be the next president.
[quote]If independents really like Cain (once they let go of Paul), I don’t see any reason why not. But it’s too early to tell, I think, for many reasons.
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You should no more be thinking about Cain than John S. and the others are thinking about Paul. Save your time and money. Cain is a bland non entity when it comes to winning the Presidency.
He’s a guy who might remind you of an uncle that used to bore you with stories about what it was like in his day. A really poor candidate in almost every way. While he may be chosen to run on the ticket in a feeble attempt to gain the black vote, that’s about as close as he’s coming.
Once again, it’s not that I don’t like what Cain, Gingrich or even Paul has to say. It’s just that I understand that in order to implement some of their ideas they actually have to get past Obama, and that is NOT going to happen for any of the three. And candidates like Paul will not even break free from the bottom part of the pack.