Ron Beats Rudy in NH?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
He voted for a war he claims he is against. [/quote]

Not really. He voted for a military operation to go after 9/11’s perpetrators. It wasn’t about a war.

That’s a positive in my book.

What do you mean by “people like you”? Ron Paul managed to get people forget all about partisan crap and got even the most disillusioned and cynical people interested in politics. His support base could be the most diverse of the lot, and yet you try to fit them into a frame. What’s up with that?

Anyway, who is worth backing up if not Paul?

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
He voted for a war he claims he is against.

Not really. He voted for a military operation to go after 9/11’s perpetrators. It wasn’t about a war.

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Everyone else understood invading another country was a war.

You value being two-faced and dishonest? I am not surprised based on your post history.

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His whole campaign seems to be to bilk people like you out of their money. As long as you are happy about it keep writing him checks!

What do you mean by “people like you”? Ron Paul managed to get people forget all about partisan crap and got even the most disillusioned and cynical people interested in politics. His support base could be the most diverse of the lot, and yet you try to fit them into a frame. What’s up with that?

Anyway, who is worth backing up if not Paul?[/quote]

There is a high degree of Electile Dysfunction. Cannot get excited about any of them.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
He voted for a war he claims he is against.

Not really. He voted for a military operation to go after 9/11’s perpetrators. It wasn’t about a war.

Everyone else understood invading another country was a war. [/quote]

It was about catching Ben Laden. Instead, some people decided to ride the wave and invade a secular country in the region.

[quote]He fights for pork for his district and makes token votes against the same spending bills.

That’s a positive in my book.

You value being two-faced and dishonest? I am not surprised based on your post history. [/quote]

That’s not being two faced. He represents the people who elected him as best as he can. I don’t see any dishonesty there. The money that went to his district was going to be spent anyway. And as an elected official, he did his best to serve the people closest to his heart.

If he was president, he’d be looking out for Americans first and foremost. None of that caving to faceless corporations (MIC, big pharma, etc.) crap. None of those billions given out to “protect” others or finance their wars.

[quote]Anyway, who is worth backing up if not Paul?

There is a high degree of Electile Dysfunction. Cannot get excited about any of them. [/quote]

Laughing it off won’t bring back the countless dead in Iraq. It won’t get kids to grow their limbs back.

You’re criticizing Paul and offering no alternative? How constructive!

[quote]lixy wrote:

Anyway, who is worth backing up if not Paul?

You’re criticizing Paul and offering no alternative? How constructive![/quote]

The answer, in my mind, is anyone who is preferable to Hillary or Obama, and who has at least a puncher’s chance of beating Hillary or Obama. That means McCain first and foremost - though Romney, Giuliani and Fred are still worth considering (though Fred’s consideration is pretty vice-presidential at this point, barring something unforeseen). And it means that if Huckabee somehow pulls off the nomination I will cast a protest vote to the Libertarian candidate…

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
lixy wrote:

Anyway, who is worth backing up if not Paul?

You’re criticizing Paul and offering no alternative? How constructive!

The answer, in my mind, is anyone who is preferable to Hillary or Obama, and who has at least a puncher’s chance of beating Hillary or Obama. That means McCain first and foremost - though Romney, Giuliani and Fred are still worth considering (though Fred’s consideration is pretty vice-presidential at this point, barring something unforeseen). And it means that if Huckabee somehow pulls off the nomination I will cast a protest vote to the Libertarian candidate…[/quote]

Huckleberry vs Hillary

Would you really pull the lever for a third party if you thought your vote was the deciding one?

I think I would hold my nose and vote for the Huckster.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
He voted for a war he claims he is against.

Not really. He voted for a military operation to go after 9/11’s perpetrators. It wasn’t about a war.

Everyone else understood invading another country was a war.

It was about catching Ben Laden. Instead, some people decided to ride the wave and invade a secular country in the region.

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It was about invasion of another country. That is war, pure and simple. He voted for it because he fears he would have lost his seat. He admits this.

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He fights for pork for his district and makes token votes against the same spending bills.

That’s a positive in my book.

You value being two-faced and dishonest? I am not surprised based on your post history.

That’s not being two faced. He represents the people who elected him as best as he can. I don’t see any dishonesty there. The money that went to his district was going to be spent anyway.

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That is where you are wrong. Congress would be more than happy not to spend that money if he didn’t allocate it for his district.

When the president proposes a $ 10 billion dollar spending bill Congress doesn’t automatically inflate it and then try to decide where to spend the extra. They add to it. If Paul didn’t add to it then it would be inflated by less. It is that simple. Paul adds to it and then casts a token vote against it knowing his vote won’t stop it. He is part of the problem but he pretends otherwise. I have less respect for that than for the guys that do it in the open.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

lixy wrote:
I don’t see why you call his campaign “shamed and worthless”, and I don’t see why you bring up the “strongly opposed to the war”.

They slander because they have no actual argument against any of the issues he is running on. I have stated these issues in every thread I have posted in about Paul but they are ignored. They have no argument whatsoever so they slander. [/quote]

Setting aside that plenty of arguments have been made - and we all know this - it’s not “slander” if you can provide truth as a defense.

[quote]lixy wrote:

I said it before and will say it again: Ron Paul is the only Republican who can beat the democrats in November. That Americans would vote for more-of-the-same after two terms of Bush defies common sense.[/quote]

The fact that Paul can’t even win first place among anti-war voters would participate in a primary is a terrible sign for a campaign that distinguished itself by the fact that he is the lone anti-war “Republican”.

That said, your amazingly silly comment is not believed by anyone except you - Paul couldn’t even win a Senate seat for the state of Texas.

Anyway, libertarians and individualists continue to turn their back on Paul:

[i]The Ron Paul controversy – a postmortem

posted 01/15/08

Congressman Ron Paul’s campaign website refers to him as “the leading advocate for freedom in our nation�??s capital” – a man who “tirelessly works for limited constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, and a return to sound monetary policies” and who “is known among his congressional colleagues and his constituents for his consistent voting record.”

As many of you know, I’ve been a harsh critic of Congressman Paul, who has emerged as a minor but highly visible candidate for the GOP presidential nomination – especially for his foreign policy views.

As editor of The New Individualist, I also published a cover feature about Cong. Paul in our current, January-February issue. Written by popular blogger Stephen Green, “The Abominable Dr. Paul” takes apart Cong. Paul’s positions on a host of issues. The article and the magazine’s cover (a deliberately garish, humorously intended parody of a poster for an old Vincent Price horror film, “The Abominable Dr. Phibes”) have received a great deal of attention all over the Blogosphere and also in the mainstream press. The latter includes articles in the Washington Times, the Seattle Times (which reprinted our cover), and the Tampa Tribune, whose editorial board issued a brief rejection of Cong. Paul’s candidacy, favorably quoting our magazine’s criticism of his “utopian silliness.”

[A clarification, made necessary by some of the comments posted here: The criticisms of Cong. Paul published in the TNI article, I must add and stress, have nothing to do with his candidacy for political office. The magazine and its publisher, The Atlas Society, focus on philosophical ideas; they take no positions regarding the comparative merits of candidates for elective office, and – I can assure you – any personal political opinions I express here are solely my own and do not reflect those of the magazine’s publisher, its staff, or its trustees. The TNI article focuses solely on Cong. Paul’s growing public prominence as a self-proclaimed spokesman for the ideas of liberty – and on the impact that his representations of those ideas are having on a national audience. The article expresses concern for the fate of those ideas, and not for his fate as a candidate for public office.]

However, my publication of Steve Green’s article in TNI has also generated an outpouring of criticism from Ron Paul supporters, as one might imagine. I won’t bother here to catalogue the criticisms, but they can be summarized as condemning the magazine, Steve Green, and me for smearing the one true friend of liberty on Capitol Hill.

A couple of weeks after our magazine had reached subscribers, an investigative expose in The New Republic, quickly picked up by other MSM and online outlets, revealed the sickening content of newsletters published for several decades under Ron Paul’s name. The New Republic article summarizes their content thus:

What they reveal are decades worth of obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry against blacks, Jews, and gays. In short, they suggest that Ron Paul is not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his supporters believe they are backing -- but rather a member in good standing of some of the oldest and ugliest traditions in American politics.

For just a sample of the kind of tinfoil-hat conspiratorialism, nutter “survivalism,” and odious bigotry that Ron Paul has allowed to be published under his name, consider this solicitation letter for subscriptions to one of those newsletters.

Cong. Paul now disavows authorship of this material, most or all of which was ghostwritten, and says it doesn’t represent his actual views. But even though these screeds were published under his own name for decades, he claims not to have been aware of their content – a claim that many, me included, find to be transparently unbelievable. It is impossible to read this garbage and not come to one of two conclusions. Either Ron Paul does not believe this repugnant nonsense, but nonetheless allowed it to go out under his name – as a cynical ploy to sell newsletters by means of scaremongering, collectivist race-baiting, and homosexual-bashing – or he actually does believe this stuff. You can decide for yourself which alternative is more disgusting and alarming.

Cong. Paul also refuses to name the real author of this outpouring of manipulative venom, except to say that he was “a former aide.” However, that person has since been “outed,” and it’s no surprise that the congressman would prefer that his identity had been kept secret. It turns out that these repulsive newsletters were edited – and apparently many of their articles penned – by none other than Ron Paul�??s longtime ideological mentor, business partner, and former congressional aide Lew Rockwell.

Rockwell is a pro-Confederacy, “paleolibertarian,” blame-America-first, Rothbardian-anarchist kook who founded and heads the Ludwig von Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama. He also runs the online website LewRockwell.com, where Ron Paul is listed and posts regularly as a contributor, and which has become an unofficial cheering section for Paul�??s campaign. In the past, I�??ve blasted the Rockwell cult repeatedly on my blog for its vicious anti-Americanism – see, for example, here. Rockwell and his fellow scumbags also have been exposed relentlessly by Cato’s Tom Palmer (see here for my list of links to Tom�??s many commentaries about the Rockwell cult).

Rockwell’s role as the editor and frequent ghostwriter of the material in Paul’s newsletters apparently has been an open secret in libertarian circles for decades, and here are links to a number of online pieces exposing that involvement – from The Economist, The New Republic, and from the websites of Wendy McElroy and Tom Palmer. [UPDATE, 1/16/08 – The full, detailed history of the Rockwell/Rothbard/Paul alliance – and its cynical exploitation, for political and financial gain, of what we now call “the race card” – is revealed today in this outstanding investigative report, written by Reason’s Julian Sanchez and David Weigel.]

These revelations about Cong. Paul’s more outrageous views and his intimate association with a disreputable fringe cult within the libertarian movement have touched off an explosion of media scorn and expressions of outrage in recent days – much coming from the more responsible libertarian circles. For example, the editors of Reason magazine – who, in sharp contrast to TNI, published a glowing cover feature about “the Ron Paul phenomenon” in their latest issue – are now expressing their disgust and distancing themselves from his candidacy. (Here are comments from the magazine’s editors, Nick Gillespie and Matt Welch. Reason contributor Jesse Walker weighs in here, and former contributor Tim Cavanaugh here, while past editor Virginia Postrel comments here and here.) Likewise, Cato’s David Boaz offers his own repudiation here. (I could cite many, many more denunciations from various prominent libertarians.)

In the meantime, many commentators are also taking Cong. Paul to task for views that thoroughly refute his claim to being a consistent champion of individual rights, liberty, and the Constitution.

Steve Green’s article in TNI cited Paul’s highly restrictive position on immigration (to the right of Tom Tancredo), his hypocritical support of pork-barrel earmarks for his own congressional district, his opposition to various free-trade agreements (like NAFTA) on wacko-conspiratorial grounds that they surrender U.S. sovereignty to Evil International Institutions, and his appalling, blame-America-first version of “noninterventionism” in foreign policy.

To that, Wendy McElroy points to Cong. Paul’s pro-federal-interventionist anti-abortion bill (read her whole commentary), which would deny women the right to end a pregnancy and even deny the courts the power of judicial review in the matter – a clear violation of separation of powers, which is a curious position for this self-proclaimed champion of the Constitution.

But what can you expect from a religious conservative who, on Lew Rockwell’s website, rejected the Jeffersonian principle of a “wall of separation” between religion and government? As the congressman put it, “The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers.” For Ron Paul, then, “Far from mandating strict secularism in schools, it [the First Amendment] instead bars the federal government from prohibiting the Pledge of Allegiance, school prayer, or any other religious expression. The politicians and judges pushing the removal of religion from public life are violating the First amendment, not upholding it.” In other words, “libertarian” Dr. Paul believes the First Amendment was meant to allow state governments to promote religion in their laws and public institutions.

Thus, he supported legislation keeping the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance and has voted in favor of a bill that, in defiance of a federal court decision, would allow a courthouse to maintain a display of the Ten Commandments. Such a display, of course, expresses specifically Judeo-Christian religious views, and represents government endorsing “an establishment of religion” – a particular religion. Like a fellow Baptist, GOP presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, Cong. Paul rejects the scientific theory of evolution and accepts the scientific rubbish of “Creationism.” One can only imagine what he would allow to be taught as “science” in state and local public schools.

This is not a political record or a philosophy of consistent support for individual rights and freedom. Rather, it is a record of support for an extreme “states’ rights” brand of federalism that – contrary to all legal precedents established in accordance with the 14th Amendment – would give a green light to wholesale violations of individual rights at the state and local level.

For several weeks prior to the revelations about Ron Paul’s even-uglier views, The New Individualist dared to stand virtually alone within pro-freedom community in challenging Cong. Paul’s credentials as a standard-bearer for liberty. The point of our article, as Steve Green put it, was that Ron Paul “only discredits the cause of liberty by associating it with his own weird and dangerous brand of utopianism.” That conclusion is proving to be not only a correct assessment but a considerable understatement.

Many libertarians and free-market supporters now openly worry about the damage that he has caused to the public reputation of their ideas and movement. The outpouring of public criticism against Ron Paul by responsible libertarians and mainstream media now makes our TNI feature – even that satirical “monster” cover, reprinted below – look increasingly accurate, if not downright prescient.

I think we stand vindicated. [/i]

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

The answer, in my mind, is anyone who is preferable to Hillary or Obama, and who has at least a puncher’s chance of beating Hillary or Obama. That means McCain first and foremost - though Romney, Giuliani and Fred are still worth considering (though Fred’s consideration is pretty vice-presidential at this point, barring something unforeseen). And it means that if Huckabee somehow pulls off the nomination I will cast a protest vote to the Libertarian candidate…[/quote]

If it boils down to a Social Democrat and a Christian Democrat, I’ll write in George Washington.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

If it boils down to a Social Democrat and a Christian Democrat, I’ll write in George Washington.

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I would’ve said Teddy Roosevelt.

Either way, several orders of magnitude better than what we have to pick from these days.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

I would’ve said Teddy Roosevelt.

Either way, several orders of magnitude better than what we have to pick from these days.[/quote]

I’d write in TR - but I have to say, I am surprised you would. :>

Then you evidently don’t know me as well as you thought, Thunder.

[quote]On June 30, 2007 Varqanir wrote:
Theodore Roosevelt was the only great president the United States had in the 20th Century.

We have had no great ones, and few good ones, since.

In my decidedly unhumble opinion.[/quote]

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:

http://bidinotto.journalspace.com/?entryid=656

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Great blog. He absolutely destroys Ron Paul and his blame America philosophy in this one.

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Ron Paul’s “noninterventionism” fraud
posted 11/26/07

The Muslim world is not fooled by our talk about spreading democracy and values. The evidence is too overwhelming that we do not hesitate to support dictators and install puppet governments when it serves our interests. When democratic elections result in the elevation of a leader or party not to our liking, we do not hesitate for a minute to undermine that government. This hypocrisy is rarely recognized by the American people. It�??s much more comfortable to believe in slogans, to believe that we�??re defending our goodness and spreading true liberty. We accept this and believe strongly in the cause, strongly enough to sacrifice many of our sons and daughters, and stupendous amounts of money, to spread our ideals through force.
– March 28, 2006

There are long-term consequences or blowback from our militant policy of intervention around the world. They are unpredictable as to time and place. 9/11 was a consequence of our military presence on Muslim holy lands; the Ayatollah Khomeini’s success in taking over the Iranian government in 1979 was a consequence of our CIA overthrowing Mossadegh in 1953. These connections are rarely recognized by the American people and never acknowledged by our government. We never seem to learn how dangerous interventionism is to us and to our security.
– April 6, 2006

I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback. When we went into Iran in 1953 and installed the Shah – yes, there was blowback. The reaction to that was the taking of our hostages. And that persists, and if we ignore that, we ignore it at our own risk. If we think we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem. They don’t come here to attack us because we�??re rich and we’re free, they come here to attack us because we�??re over there.
– May 15, 2007

Now, who is the author of these statements? Some liberal like John Kerry or Dennis Kucinich? Maybe some anti-American filmmaker like Oliver Stone or Brian de Palma? Or perhaps some militant Islamist from a group like CAIR?

No, the author is America’s most prominent self-professed libertarian: GOP presidential candidate Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. And his growing public profile finally merits the small spotlight of my attention.

Dr. Paul (he’s an M.D., as well as a congressman) has become the nation’s foremost proponent of a foreign policy of U.S. “noninterventionism.” This view holds that past American policies abroad have been immorally aggressive against other nations, provoking them to “react” against us in understandable, if not always justifiable, ways. By this interpretation of history, which parallels that of the communists and Islamists, America has been the great disturber of international peace. We are ever creating enemies where none really existed before. We did it during the Cold War; we’ve done it in the Middle East; we’re continuing to do it today.

Dr. Paul’s libertarian prescription? If only we’d stop meddling in the “internal affairs” of other nations and bring our troops home, the world would be a better, safer, healthier place. Al Qaeda and other terrorists, having no further reasons to hate us, would either become peaceful or aim their aggressions elsewhere.

Now, I’d like to point out an interesting parallel between this common libertarian view of America’s foreign enemies, and the common liberal view of America’s domestic criminals.

The same sort of arguments advanced by many libertarians, such as Rep. Paul, to “explain” the anti-American actions of foreign terrorists, also have been offered by liberals to “explain” the heinous acts of common criminals. Read any sociology or criminology text, and you’ll find endless laundry lists of “causal explanations” for crime: poverty, neglect, poor parenting, lousy schools, poor “socialization,” inadequate pre-natal care, hunger, disease, bullying, racism, police brutality, social stigmatizing, untreated psychological disorders, victimless-crime laws…you name it.

And in both cases – foreign and domestic – it’s always American culture, society, and/or policies that are the toxic “root causes” underlying the actions of those who attack us.

Just as many libertarians like Paul treat the actions of al Qaeda and other terrorists as “blowback” for the sins of American society against them, liberal social-science professionals treat the actions of home-grown criminal thugs as “blowback” for the alleged sins of American society against them. These bloody acts are never the terrorist’s or the criminal’s “fault” (responsibility), you see; rather, they are all our fault, for “driving him” to do his dastardly deeds.

You may remember that during the Cold War, precisely the same sort of “explanations” were offered by liberals and, later, by left-libertarians such as Murray Rothbard to lay the blame for Communist aggression at the West’s (especially America’s) doorstep. It was our imperialist provocations around the world that were “driving” the Soviet bloc to “respond” by conquering and butchering millions, building weapons of mass destruction, constructing the Berlin Wall, etc. It was our economic and cultural “imperialism” that was driving indigenous peoples everywhere into the arms of the communists.

I defy anyone to draw a rational, meaningful distinction between such “explanations” for criminal or terrorist aggression, and “excuses” for it. After all, “causal explanations” for human actions aim at exonerating the actor for committing them, by treating those acts as if they were not under the actor’s conscious, volitional control, but as if they were instead deterministically driven “responses” to external provocations or “causes.”

Just as I reject the liberal “excuse-making industry” that denies volition and rationalizes the acts of criminals, I am totally fed up with the disgraceful foreign-policy perspectives of those libertarians who portray the United States as the causal agent of every evil on earth – thus rationalizing the atrocities of foreign terrorists and despots.

Ron Paul has become the most visible exponent of that malignant view of America. In my mind, his “blowback” excuse for 9/11 – and “excuse” is exactly what his “explanation” amounts to – is sufficient to completely disqualify him for any American public office, let alone for the role of commander in chief of the U.S. military.

For example, Paul repeatedly cites as aggression U.S. government actions that helped to topple and replace the Iranian regime of Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953. However, Paul rarely mentions these days (as he did on Dec. 3, 2002) that the U.S. and Britain did so “to prevent nationalization of Iranian oil.” Instead, Paul’s account of the extremely complex events transpiring within Iran in those days are reduced to a simplistic fairy tale of U.S. imperialism against a “democratically elected leader,” a superficial fantasy that grossly distorts the full truth.

For one thing, it was not “Iranian oil” being nationalized, but that of the British company that had drilled for it, and which had it stolen by the Mossadegh regime. Mossadegh refused all subsequent diplomatic efforts by Britain to broker a deal to peacefully regain that expropriated property; indeed, in October 1952, he declared that Britain was “an enemy.” Later, this pillar of “democracy” resigned in 1952 when the Shah denied his demands for broader “emergency powers”; he was reappointed by the Shah only when street demonstrations by his supporters threatened to overthrow the government. Back in power, Mossadegh then systematically began to communize the Iranian economy.

All this took place in the context of our Cold War with the Soviet Union, which had been plotting to extend its influence in Iran, via its puppet, the Tudeh Party, in order to gain control that nationalized oil. At the same time, U.S. intelligence agencies and the Eisenhower administration worried that Mossadegh was getting dangerously close to the pro-Soviet Tudeh Party.

Was it therefore unreasonable or wrong for the U.S. and Britain to take action to topple a dictatorial, increasingly leftist regime, in order to regain that stolen property and, more importantly, to protect American national security interests? Can this 1955 action in defense of private property and against totalitarian Soviet expansionism reasonably be blamed as the “cause” of “blowback” much, much later – such as the Iranian Revolutionary Guard takeover of the U.S. embassy in 1979, 26 years later? or the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, 40 years later? or even the destruction of four U.S. airliners, the Twin Towers, and part of the Pentagon in 2001, 48 years later? Or is that “blowback” charge mere excuse-making for Islamist thugs and cutthroats?

The manipulative use, by Paul and too many libertarians, of vague, undefined smear terms such as “interventionist” and “neocon” permits them to blame the U.S. government for virtually anything it does in our legitimate, long-term self-defense, anywhere in the world. Actions to thwart coercive threats, such as forging defensive alliances, are “interventionism.” Helping other nations counter a growing peril from a declared U.S. enemy nation (Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Iran, etc.) is “interventionism.” Sometimes, even trading with adversaries of dictatorial regimes (e.g., trading with Taiwan, an enemy of China) is “interventionism.”

The only “moral” alternative they imply, therefore, is a de facto, hunkered-down pacifism: a steady retreat by the U.S. from any interactions in the world – lest we diss some backwater bully, cross his arbitrarily declared boundary lines, offend him for his subjective notions of religious or cultural blasphemy, or thwart his laughable claims of “national sovereignty.”

Part of the sloppy thinking at the root of “noninterventionist” lunacy is the tacit equation of individual rights with “national sovereignty” – and also the equation of “economic interventionism” (against peaceful individuals) with “political interventionism” (against despotic regimes). Philosophically, these twin equations are completely bogus.

Only individuals have rights or “sovereignty”; and only those governments that recognize the individual rights of their own people have any legitimate claims to exist. Dictatorships thus have no “rights” or “sovereignty.” Likewise, the concept of economic “interventionism” – developed by the Austrian school of economics to describe coercive governmental interference with free individuals in the marketplace – cannot be equated with political “interventionism” against governments, especially against dictatorships.

Ron Paul (along with those libertarians who agree with him) therefore completely misunderstands the philosophical foundations of individual rights and freedom. The mere fact that he and his backers sanctimoniously claim such lofty language does not mean that they are true defenders of individual rights and liberty. That is clear from Paul’s stands not just on foreign policy and national defense, but on such issues as immigration and abortion, where he ironically takes what can only be described as “government interventionist” stands.

For a detailed look at Paul’s warped foreign-policy perspective, sample his commentary “The Blame Game,” where he declares, “There was no downside when we left Vietnam.” No downside? Here he blithely evades the wholesale butchery and the enslavement of millions that transpired after our ignominious retreat from Southeast Asia – and the consequent, devastating loss of America’s credibility, both as a military power and as a reliable ally. Add to this Paul’s infuriating use, in the same commentary, of the word “empire” to describe U.S. foreign policy aims – which claim, contrary to all historic facts, rationalizes the bogus charges raised against America by communists and Islamists, giving aid and comfort to these enemies of the U.S. Add to this also Paul’s indiscriminately declared hostility to “war” as such, which (regardless of his protestations) can only translate into a de facto pacifism and isolationism.

Is this foreign-policy outlook realistic? Not since about 1789.

The relentless advance of communication, transportation, satellite, and weapons technology has simply obliterated the geographic “isolationism” that was still largely possible at the time of America’s founding.

When a plot hatched in remote mountains in a backward nation like Afghanistan, with conspirators drawn from places like Saudi Arabia, can bring down iconic buildings in New York and Washington, DC –

– when Chinese rockets can “blind” in outer space the U.S. intelligence satellites that we depend on for our nation’s defense –

– when Iranian rockets and subs can threaten to shut down international shipping lanes, thereby interfering with free trade –

– when Islamist terrorists and despots can shut down at whim international traffic in a commodity as basic as oil, etc., etc.

– it is no longer possible to pretend we can draw any meaningful national-defense line at the water’s edge. Those days are long gone.

National defense today requires the ability and willingness to project credible power globally, in direct protection of the very trade, travel, communications, and contacts among peoples that Ron Paul and many other libertarians declare to be the pillars of international relations and peace.

Without the forward projection of U.S. military power – through foreign bases (which implies alliances), naval-carrier battle groups, special ops forces, advanced military aircraft, and first-rate intelligence agencies (which means an effective CIA, NSA, etc.) – the “foreign-trade-and-travel” model of foreign policy prescribed by Dr. Paul and many libertarians would be revealed for the ridiculous fantasy it is.

Well, then, is this foreign-policy outlook principled?

What “principle” does it cite? A vacuous “noninterventionism” that clashes with the proper defense of U.S. interests and the individual rights of Americans? As his coercive positions on abortion and immigration underscore, Ron Paul doesn’t even grasp what the principle of individual rights is all about. His is the traditional, platonic view of “natural rights” shared by many other libertarians, which tacitly equates anti-government positions with pro-liberty positions – as if they are the same.

They aren’t.

Okay, but is Ron Paul dangerous? Not politically: He hasn’t a prayer of winning the GOP nomination, let alone the White House (though he could throw the general election to the Democrats if he decides to run as a third-party candidate after the primaries).

However, Ron Paul – or, rather, what he represents – is dangerous philosophically.

In an essay titled “The Anatomy of Compromise,” philosopher Ayn Rand wrote: “When opposite basic principles are clearly and openly defined, it works to the advantage of the rational side; when they are not clearly defined, but are hidden or evaded, it works to the advantage of the irrational side.”

Ron Paul’s public equation of vital and valid principles – such as “individual rights,” “liberty,” and “free markets” – with intellectual trash-talk about American imperialism, anti-immigrant border fences, the fetus’s “right to life,” and the de facto pacifism of “noninterventionism,” only confuses and discredits those critical principles in the minds of millions. This is dangerous, because it obliterates the true meaning of the key moral principles that should undergird our politics and laws.

The resulting confusion – if unchallenged – will set back the cause of reason, individualism, and capitalism for decades to come. And that’s not something we can afford as we confront the ongoing Islamist threat to our way of life. To win that war, we require, above all, moral and intellectual clarity. That clarity is something the candidacy of Ron Paul imperils, demonstrated by his following among self-proclaimed champions of individual liberty.

To paraphrase an old joke, then:

Ron Paul is my second choice for President.

My first choice is anybody else.

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I’m sorry, but how can one believe that our actions in the Mid-East don’t make us a target? You’re telling me that paying off dictators, who the vast majority of a nation hate, doesn’t produce the type of individuals most likely to be recruited and indoctrinated by Jihadists?

Just by involving ourselves…well, we’ve involved ourselves. We now become another target in what should just be the crazy internal struggles of the Mid-East.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m sorry, but how can one believe that our actions in the Mid-East don’t make us a target? You’re telling me that paying off dictators, who the vast majority of a nation hate, doesn’t produce the type of individuals most likely to be recruited and indoctrinated by Jihadists?

Just by involving ourselves…well, we’ve involved ourselves. We now become another target in what should just be the crazy internal struggles of the Mid-East. [/quote]

The world is too small in this age of travel and instant communication. Everyone is involved with everyone else. Add oil to the equation and there is no way not to be involved. We can operate from a position of strength or weakness. I prefer strength.

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lixy wrote:

Anyway, who is worth backing up if not Paul?

You’re criticizing Paul and offering no alternative? How constructive!

BostonBarrister wrote:
The answer, in my mind, is anyone who is preferable to Hillary or Obama, and who has at least a puncher’s chance of beating Hillary or Obama. That means McCain first and foremost - though Romney, Giuliani and Fred are still worth considering (though Fred’s consideration is pretty vice-presidential at this point, barring something unforeseen). And it means that if Huckabee somehow pulls off the nomination I will cast a protest vote to the Libertarian candidate…

Zap Branigan wrote:
Huckleberry vs Hillary

Would you really pull the lever for a third party if you thought your vote was the deciding one?

I think I would hold my nose and vote for the Huckster.[/quote]

Luckily the odds of this hypo are infinitesimally small - and for clarity I’ll assume you mean my vote would give Huck a win rather than to force it to the House.

However, I’d still vote Libertarian. I think that a Hillary presidency could actually be good for a resurgence of economic conservatism among the Republicans - I would foresee the GOP taking at least one, if not both, houses of Congress back if she were President. The only thing that makes me pause is possible USSC nominees coming from a President Hillary.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
I think that a Hillary presidency could actually be good […]
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God have mercy on us all!

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

The only thing that makes me pause is possible USSC nominees coming from a President Hillary.
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The only thing?

I’m dreading any Attorney General, Secretary of Defense, and Secretary of Homeland Security under her administration at least as much as her picks for Supreme Court justices. “Who could be worse than Janet Reno?” We just may find out.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:

The only thing that makes me pause is possible USSC nominees coming from a President Hillary.

The only thing?

I’m dreading any Attorney General, Secretary of Defense, and Secretary of Homeland Security under her administration at least as much as her picks for Supreme Court justices. “Who could be worse than Janet Reno?” We just may find out.[/quote]

Exactly my thoughts. I liked the Republican Congress as a counter to a Democratic President Clinton the first time around. They kept each other from getting out of control.

The Republican Congress and Bush just went along with each other and spent far too much.

I fear another Clintonian (or worse Obama) Justice Department.

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BostonBarrister wrote:

The only thing that makes me pause is possible USSC nominees coming from a President Hillary.

Varqanir wrote:
The only thing?

I’m dreading any Attorney General, Secretary of Defense, and Secretary of Homeland Security under her administration at least as much as her picks for Supreme Court justices. “Who could be worse than Janet Reno?” We just may find out.[/quote]

Well, the only thing that immediately sprung to mind that would surely be worse about a Clintonian presidency vs. a Huckabee presidency… Maybe if I noodled on it for a few seconds I could come up with a few more things, like the possibility of our signing the Kyoto Treaty (but I don’t know if that would be ratified - it’s never been submitted so far, including by the original Clintonian president…) or an increased likelihood of Hillary-care. But generally I think the Huck would be horrible, and a disaster for both the Republican Party generally and libertarian/conservative influences on the GOP.

And would you be more worried about Clinton’s appointees for SecDef and Homeland Security than you would about Huckleberry’s?