[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
And now we’re talking about flat earth… I’m done. [/quote]
My point was that the poster who claimed to be a religious right wing guy was complaining that religious right wing people are mocked as scientifically illiterate flat earthers, however the bible and the people who believe in it argue against basic scientific facts such as evolution, their book has some pretty questionable things to say about earth being flat.
Why would I think someone who denies evolution and believes in the bible and that a woman was created from the rib of a man has any legitimacy to argue about science? If they believe the story of creation in the bible and deny evolution then how can I take their position on abortion seriously?
It was not aimed at pro life people in general.[/quote]
You are aware that many Christians hold evolution to be true? Because there are many of them. Even if everything else you say holds true, you are over generalizing AGAIN and that’s improper. Not to mention incredibly annoying.
Also, if you were not planning to aim at “pro life people in general” you need to make sure you DO NOT GENERALIZE in a way that implies you are including them. Seriously.
Let’s say the president is dying of a strange kidney disease and traditional dialysis treatment has shown no improvement. The president has the extraordinarily rare Rh-null blood type, as do I.
I wake up one morning to find myself in a bed next to the presidents and quickly learn that I have been kidnapped by the CIA. I have tubes coming out of my body and going into the presidents. Blood is clearly flowing through the tubes. It becomes apparent that I have become the presidents personal dialysis machine.
I’m told I’ve been asleep for a month already. The president is showing signs of improvement, but it will take another 8 months before he is fully recovered. If he is disconnected from me now, he will certainly die. I am instructed to stay connected until he is fully recovered.
Knowing that the presidents life completely depends on my own body filtering his blood, do I have the right to disconnect him from me and watch him die?
I actually asked this question because you successful challenged my thought process on the matter months possibly a year or two ago. I should also thank you for pushing me to think about it in a way I hadn’t before, so thank you.
The above said, I don’t believe because natural deaths occur before and after consciousness we should use that indisputable fact as a reason to kill. [/quote]
Well, I am flattered. You are very welcome, my friend.
I post so much inconsequential crap on this site, it’s good to know that some of my posts are helpful to somebody.
[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Why is it the people most adamant about outlawing abortion are also the most adamant about cutting social services to help the little sprogs when they finally drop out of the womb?
I guess jesus only casts his magical blessings for those under a year old. Then his followers become ardent social darwinists.[/quote]
Perhaps you’d like to take a swing at making an argument that isn’t a raging straw man?[/quote]
How is what I said an informal fallacy? Almost all pro life people are right wing, they also happen to be mainly religious. These same people clearly overwhelmingly vote for people who are for scalling back or removing social services.
You don’t think this is true?[/quote]
For a million reasons that is a strawman.
you committed a major informal fallacy precisely BECAUSE you are generalizing. It is deductively invalid, therefore it is a fallacy. It is not enough to say “this is true in majority, therefore it is true”. That’s patently invalid and you should know better.
There are plenty of pro-life advocates that are not Christian, and plenty more that are not even religious. sub point a) you equate ‘religious’ with ‘Christian’, which is patently inaccurate, and sub point b) you completely ignore the non-religious pro-life advocates, which are substantial.
the pro-life position does not depend on religion for many of its arguments, which you ignore. Some yes, not all.
Beans pointed out some more–being born to poor parents does not justify murder. You have to show that, you cannot assume that, because it is a premise for your very shitty “argument”
you very handily assume that ‘voting for rolling back social services’ is equivalent to ‘murder’ because you implicitly equate them, even though you are not aware you are doing this. Not only do you have to prove this, it is also prima facie FUCKING ABSURD. I’m not going to spend more time on point 5 because it doesn’t deserve to be dignified. You should have known better.
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Even athiest pro-life advocates are arguing for judeo christian cultural morals. I for example am against murder, murder is a social construct. A lion killing another lion is not murder.
I as a product of Christian civilisations society reflect those values to an extent, even though I am an atheist. Difference is I acknowledge them to be constructs and that there is no good or bad as those are relative terms.
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I didn’t mention religion or God anywhere did I? 2) You completely ignored my strong criticisms of your post based only on logic and logical argument.
Seriously man. Either admit you were wrong (it’s ok, I’ve done it before, even on the internet), or go to work with some defense that depends on logic. You replied to my relevant criticisms with non-sequiturs and off topic conversation.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Let’s say the president is dying of a strange kidney disease and traditional dialysis treatment has shown no improvement. The president has the extraordinarily rare Rh-null blood type, as do I.
I wake up one morning to find myself in a bed next to the presidents and quickly learn that I have been kidnapped by the CIA. I have tubes coming out of my body and going into the presidents. Blood is clearly flowing through the tubes. It becomes apparent that I have become the presidents personal dialysis machine.
I’m told I’ve been asleep for a month already. The president is showing signs of improvement, but it will take another 8 months before he is fully recovered. If he is disconnected from me now, he will certainly die. I am instructed to stay connected until he is fully recovered.
Knowing that the presidents life completely depends on my own body filtering his blood, do I have the right to disconnect him from me and watch him die?
I just want to say, for whatever reason, this is the best hypothetical I’ve ever read.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Knowing that the presidents life completely depends on my own body filtering his blood, do I have the right to disconnect him from me and watch him die?
Maybe because science has yet to prove the origins of man.
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The truth is out there, Marine.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I get that people infinity smart than I believe we all started from a single cell. It very well may be true. I’m not going to pretend to know and honestly I don’t really care. That said, people infinity smart than I also once believed the Earth is flat, that the Earth was the center of the Universe, that Apollo’s chariot ushered in the day and the night, etc etc…
If I had a point I suppose it would be that “science” is proven wrong more often than right.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Let’s say the president is dying of a strange kidney disease and traditional dialysis treatment has shown no improvement. The president has the extraordinarily rare Rh-null blood type, as do I.
I wake up one morning to find myself in a bed next to the presidents and quickly learn that I have been kidnapped by the CIA. I have tubes coming out of my body and going into the presidents. Blood is clearly flowing through the tubes. It becomes apparent that I have become the presidents personal dialysis machine.
I’m told I’ve been asleep for a month already. The president is showing signs of improvement, but it will take another 8 months before he is fully recovered. If he is disconnected from me now, he will certainly die. I am instructed to stay connected until he is fully recovered.
Knowing that the presidents life completely depends on my own body filtering his blood, do I have the right to disconnect him from me and watch him die?
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Yes because you didn’t chose to become the Presidents “host.”
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I just want to say, for whatever reason, this is the best hypothetical I’ve ever read.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Knowing that the presidents life completely depends on my own body filtering his blood, do I have the right to disconnect him from me and watch him die?
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Yeah, this is a very very good hypothetical. It can still be criticized but I really like this one!
Tedro was a workout buddy of mine in college, and I can 100% say very very intelligent. He always makes people think, including me.
Ted hope your life and workouts are going well these days.
Maybe because science has yet to prove the origins of man.
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The truth is out there, Marine.[/quote]
Don’t get me wrong, I get that people infinity smart than I believe we all started from a single cell. It very well may be true. I’m not going to pretend to know and honestly I don’t really care. That said, people infinity smart than I also once believed the Earth is flat, that the Earth was the center of the Universe, that Apollo’s chariot ushered in the day and the night, etc etc…
If I had a point I suppose it would be that “science” is proven wrong more often than right.
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It has nothing to do with who is smarter or who believes what.
We may disagree about something or another, but I wouldn’t tell you that you’re wrong before I’ve heard what you have to say, nor would I tell you that I don’t really care what you think. I’ll hear you out, and if I disagree with your position, I’ll tell you how and why. Common courtesy.
So maybe read a bit about what the fields of evolutionary biology and palaeontology have explained and discovered (scientists never claim to have “proven” anything), before rejecting their ideas out of hand.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Let’s say the president is dying of a strange kidney disease and traditional dialysis treatment has shown no improvement. The president has the extraordinarily rare Rh-null blood type, as do I.
I wake up one morning to find myself in a bed next to the presidents and quickly learn that I have been kidnapped by the CIA. I have tubes coming out of my body and going into the presidents. Blood is clearly flowing through the tubes. It becomes apparent that I have become the presidents personal dialysis machine.
I’m told I’ve been asleep for a month already. The president is showing signs of improvement, but it will take another 8 months before he is fully recovered. If he is disconnected from me now, he will certainly die. I am instructed to stay connected until he is fully recovered.
Knowing that the presidents life completely depends on my own body filtering his blood, do I have the right to disconnect him from me and watch him die?
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Yes because you didn’t chose to become the Presidents “host.”[/quote]
[quote]tedro wrote:
Let’s say the president is dying of a strange kidney disease and traditional dialysis treatment has shown no improvement. The president has the extraordinarily rare Rh-null blood type, as do I.
I wake up one morning to find myself in a bed next to the presidents and quickly learn that I have been kidnapped by the CIA. I have tubes coming out of my body and going into the presidents. Blood is clearly flowing through the tubes. It becomes apparent that I have become the presidents personal dialysis machine.
I’m told I’ve been asleep for a month already. The president is showing signs of improvement, but it will take another 8 months before he is fully recovered. If he is disconnected from me now, he will certainly die. I am instructed to stay connected until he is fully recovered.
Knowing that the presidents life completely depends on my own body filtering his blood, do I have the right to disconnect him from me and watch him die?
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Yes because you didn’t chose to become the Presidents “host.”[/quote]
Rape?[/quote]
Like I said on page one. If rape was the only time people were getting abortions… there likely wouldn’t be a debate about it at all.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I just want to say, for whatever reason, this is the best hypothetical I’ve ever read.
[quote]tedro wrote:
Knowing that the presidents life completely depends on my own body filtering his blood, do I have the right to disconnect him from me and watch him die?
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Yeah, this is a very very good hypothetical. It can still be criticized but I really like this one!
Tedro was a workout buddy of mine in college, and I can 100% say very very intelligent. He always makes people think, including me.
Ted hope your life and workouts are going well these days.
/hijack
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Life yes, workouts not so much. Had surgery on both shoulders last year and the wife had twins in August, bringing our total to 4. It’s been a little difficult getting back in the swing of things.
