Roe v. Wade: 42 Years in the Past

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]confusion wrote:
I think its pretty clear that Christians should not be fighting,so collateral damage shouldn’t be an issue[/quote]

Should they just lie down and die? [/quote]

Jesus did[/quote]

That’s specifically what he was sent to do.[/quote]

I thought he was also setting an example[/quote]

An example to aspire to absolutely, but not to necessarily emulate. I don’t know anyone that can raise from the dead and ascend to heaven on their own accord. Do you?[/quote]

of course not. I think it was an example of non violence. worked for Gandhi.[/quote]

I’m happy it worked out for Jesus and Gandhi. If someone breaks in my house and threatens my wife and I I’d rather ask for forgiveness than play the pacifist. If that makes me a bad Christian than I guess one day I’ll have some splanin to do.

I already know the answer but:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
A faithless life (which is of course impossible as we all have faith in something but you know what I mean) just doesn’t cut the mustard for me when it comes to that biggest Decision I believe one ever makes.

Go and make your freewill decision, folks. Go right ahead. Ain’t no one, not even God, getting in your way.
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Hypothetically speaking, in an alternative universe, let’s say you choose “wrong” (I don’t think people can, but that is another post), and it turns out your faith was “misplaced”, for lack of a better word, would you regret your decision?

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]confusion wrote:
I think its pretty clear that Christians should not be fighting,so collateral damage shouldn’t be an issue[/quote]

Should they just lie down and die? [/quote]

Jesus did[/quote]

That’s specifically what he was sent to do.[/quote]

I thought he was also setting an example[/quote]

An example to aspire to absolutely, but not to necessarily emulate. I don’t know anyone that can raise from the dead and ascend to heaven on their own accord. Do you?[/quote]

of course not. I think it was an example of non violence. worked for Gandhi.[/quote]

I’m happy it worked out for Jesus and Gandhi. If someone breaks in my house and threatens my wife and I I’d rather ask for forgiveness than play the pacifist. If that makes me a bad Christian than I guess one day I’ll have some splanin to do. [/quote]

I’m not saying I agree with the teaching. I just believe that is what was being taught. I think it was stated by someone is this thread that the after life is far more important than this life. So if you have to suffer in this life it’s OK because in the afterlife you can be well rewarded. But i don’t believe any of that. I would defend my family too.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]confusion wrote:
I think its pretty clear that Christians should not be fighting,so collateral damage shouldn’t be an issue[/quote]

Should they just lie down and die? [/quote]

Jesus did[/quote]
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But he is purported as perfect right? Absolving the sins of man?

Why would anyone even think it is possible, or even favorable, to hold humans to that same standard?

[quote]pushharder wrote:

And you have settled “where” now? No snarky answer, please.

You’ve told us about your past, now tell us about your present. You’ve claimed no atheism or agnosticism so who and what is your God?[/quote]

You want to know?

All right.

My god is all that is, that ever was, and that ever will be.

My god is in every particle of matter, every wave of energy, and in all of the space in between.

My god has no name, and is neither a “he” nor a “she” nor even an “it”.

It is meaningless to ask if my god exists, for my god is existence itself.

Meaningless to ask if my god is real, for my god is reality itself.

My god does not punish disobedience, or disbelief, or blasphemy.

How can one blaspheme against existence?

How can one disbelieve in reality?

How can one break the laws of nature? One can only break oneself against the law.

My god rewards obedience, inasmuch as obeying the law will allow one to be fruitful and multiply.

This law is written in every cell of our bodies, in every molecule of our world, and in every atom of the cosmos.

We may gain knowledge (which in Greek is “gnosis”, and in Latin “scientia”) of the law by looking carefully at everything that is, and everything that was, so that we may make predictions about everything that will be.

I am not saying a person should lay down and die. I wouldnt. I do martial arts after all…but,the new testament is clear that christians are to live peaceably with all men as much as it is possible,turn the other cheek,give extra when sued,and walk 2 miles instead of one,if compelled to do so. If a person has faith in God,he is certainly all they need for protection! paul never used violence,etc…

Ah, but sophia(wisdom) trumps knowledge. Interesting that religious folk seem to be more imbued with the former in most instances.

My god never made any revelations to ancient mankind, never spoke in words.

What a pity for mankind. If only my god had given this revelation to somebody literate and civilised five thousand years ago, how differently human history would have unfolded.

[i]IN THE BEGINNING there was light: light so hot nothing else could exist. But the void grew faster than the light, and that was good. And out of the light came the tiny heralds of what was to come, as small to an apple as an apple is to your spherical world. For I tell you, light can become solid, and the solid can become light. Take heed, for I tell you what no man yet knows.

And the heralds waited in the light for their time, and four hundred millennia later when it could be so, so it was, and these things I will call atoms fell together. And I tell you, Children of the Light, in the void great clouds of atoms formed, called by mutual attraction, forced to become one, growing in size, gaining mass until, at the centre of the great clouds there came a new light as atoms of the first and simplest kind were forced together to become atoms of the second kind, and behold! The first star was born.

Soon there were many stars, swirling by the hundreds of thousands of millions. Floating in islands like discs, each island separate and racing apart. And the islands themselves shall be numbered in the hundreds of thousands of millions. And some of the stars were small and burned slow and dim and long. And some were giant and burned bright blue and fast, making atoms of the second, third, fourth, up to the twenty-sixth kind, until they could burn no more.

And then they died a powerful death, building up atoms to the ninety-second kind and beyond, which they spread along with abundant blinding light, like seeds back into the void, disturbing the stillness of the surrounding atomic clouds, giving birth to countless stars in their wake. But these new stars drew around them distinct cloaks the ninety-two types of atoms, the ashes and the seeds of the first giant stars. And the heavier elements fell towards the new stars and over millions of years there formed worlds of rock and metal to encircle the Sun, and away from the star, worlds of vapour and ice were formed, circling more slowly in accord with their greater distance from the Sun.

And nine thousand million years later after the beginning, around one star on one rocky metallic world, ninety-two types of atoms danced to the tune of the light and the lightning, while mountains fell from the sky. This place would be called EARTH.

And for half a billion years the dance went on, atoms joining in ways forbidden by the heat inside the stars where they were made, but inevitable where the magnet is mightier than the fire. And by the laws of the magnet and the lodestone, one chain of many atoms begat other chains of identical form. And the chains spread through the waters, filling them, growing in size and complexity, taking unto them the poisonous clouds and vapours that hung over the world, and giving back the air. And the sky above the earth, now clear of falling mountains, turned blue.

And four thousand million years later still you stand here, yearning to know how you came to be, but if you have the mind to ask the question, you have the mind to find the answer. Look to the light and the world, see how they dance. From this and only from this will you find the answers that will lead you to the knowing. And one day you will make better eyes from the sand, and look out into the night, and you will see wonders: things hidden until then.

But keep looking and thinking, with better eyes and clearer thoughts, and knowledge will come to you. You will see the island discs of countless millions of suns, stretching back into infinity, but be not afraid. See my creation: jewels of millions of suns, stars of blinding light, holes of darkness that hold back the light, the clouds of atoms from which you came.

And it is all yours if you can work as one.

I can give you no more than all that is.[/i]

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Ah, but sophia(wisdom) trumps knowledge. Interesting that religious folk seem to be more imbued with the former in most instances.[/quote]

More accurate to say that sophia is built on the foundation of gnosis.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Ah, but sophia(wisdom) trumps knowledge. Interesting that religious folk seem to be more imbued with the former in most instances.[/quote]

More accurate to say that sophia is built on the foundation of gnosis.[/quote]

Some wisdom is intuitive and that’s the kind of which religious folk seem to have a great deal more. At least, in general.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

Ah, but sophia(wisdom) trumps knowledge. Interesting that religious folk seem to be more imbued with the former in most instances.[/quote]

More accurate to say that sophia is built on the foundation of gnosis.[/quote]

Some wisdom is intuitive and that’s the kind of which religious folk seem to have a great deal more. At least, in general.[/quote]

Well, according to Push I am religious too, and I’ve just proved it by my last couple long posts, so I will accept the compliment. :slight_smile:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]confusion wrote:
I think its pretty clear that Christians should not be fighting,so collateral damage shouldn’t be an issue[/quote]

Should they just lie down and die? [/quote]

Jesus did[/quote]

Jesus death exemplifies more than physical death. It is the greatest example of self giving love. But self giving love can take other forms, like refraining from the desire to be “right” while debating. (Not necessarily referring to any person in particular, just a general statement)

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]confusion wrote:
I think its pretty clear that Christians should not be fighting…

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What? What makes you say that? Are you a Quaker?[/quote]

No,I believe the new testament clearly teaches non violence. I don’t believe we can pick and choose parts of the bible,ignoring some things,disobeying others,and still say we are christians. Its a serious thing after all

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Push,

Is Patterns of Evidence: Exodus. a limited release? I’m having a hard time finding information on it. [/quote]

http://www.patternsofevidence.com/en/

The truth is out there, Marine.

Now if that doesn’t confuse the hell out of Push, nothing will. :slight_smile:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]confusion wrote:

and many are involved in the gun lobby. This doesn’t line up…[/quote]

So… Christians can’t defend themselves, hunt, exercise their rights or shoot for sport now?

Since when?

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Hunting and shooting for sport,of course. No problem with guns for those things,and before anyone goes crazy,I have owned guns including assault rifles. i.am a 2nd ammendment guy. God is YOUR defender,you can have no better. Now,maybe if you don’t believe God can/will protect you,you can have a gun hidden on your Person somewhere. The armour that God provides you with withstand ALL the firey darts of the wicked,includes one weapon,“the sword of the Spirit,which is the word of God”. Confusion