Roe v. Wade: 42 Years in the Past

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

So when god aborts a fetus it is ok, when we do it it is an abomination?

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Yep.

Your difficulty in comprehending this is that you have fallen for the premise first used a long time ago in the Garden where the first woman was assured she could become like God.

You think you (we) have become gods and as such can taunt our fellow God about what we perceive to be His inconsistencies. This has been going on for a long time. You think we can create “Gotcha” scenarios with the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God of the Universe.

You can’t. You’re a fucking pipsqueak. I’m a fucking pipsqueak. Get over yourself.
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“And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”

Scripture claims god made a mistake, thus making god fallible, thus meaning the story of an all knowing, infallible god is not true.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:

God creates man in his own image, which is jealous (Exodus 20:5), vengeful (Deuteronomy 32:35) and wrathful (Nahum 1:2), then expects man not to be so, without even mentioning to man that it’s not okay to be so?

Oh, and Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament, hates violence? Really?

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Hey Varq,

I don’t intend to pick on you.

I think you’ve highlighted a common misunderstanding when applying these “negative” attributes to God. This is not intended to be comprehensive.

God is jealous: God is jealous for his people, his creation. If we are God’s people, he doesn’t want to see us stray to the other gods (alcohol, drugs, sex, self-indulgence, abuse of various things such that we disconnect from God, make God a low priority)

God is vengeful, wrathful: God is also holy and just. It’s along the lines of righteousness indignation. If God created us to be holy, as God is holy, and we choose to abandon him, then God will deal with us accordingly.

Also, we’re applying human emotions to God. God is beyond the human emotions he created. We don’t have sufficient language to discuss God adequately.

Just some ideas to keep in mind.

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Funny how no one elses boats or arks worked, only Noah’s.

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?

That only strengthens the validity of the story.

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[quote]pabergin wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

God creates man in his own image, which is jealous (Exodus 20:5), vengeful (Deuteronomy 32:35) and wrathful (Nahum 1:2), then expects man not to be so, without even mentioning to man that it’s not okay to be so?

Oh, and Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament, hates violence? Really?

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Hey Varq,

I don’t intend to pick on you.

I think you’ve highlighted a common misunderstanding when applying these “negative” attributes to God. This is not intended to be comprehensive.

God is jealous: God is jealous for his people, his creation. If we are God’s people, he doesn’t want to see us stray to the other gods (alcohol, drugs, sex, self-indulgence, abuse of various things such that we disconnect from God, make God a low priority)

God is vengeful, wrathful: God is also holy and just. It’s along the lines of righteousness indignation. If God created us to be holy, as God is holy, and we choose to abandon him, then God will deal with us accordingly.

Also, we’re applying human emotions to God. God is beyond the human emotions he created. We don’t have sufficient language to discuss God adequately.

Just some ideas to keep in mind. [/quote]

God sounds like Richard Kuklinski.

The devil tried to give us knowledge, he seems way more chill.

He also gave us black sabbath, Metallica and sexual deviancy, what has god done for me lately?

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

Just like rights are not real, rape is not an actual thing, they are things we created.

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I’m not sure I understand this.

When one person takes advantage of a relatively vulnerable person in order to satisfy his own selfish desires (whatever they may be), in what way is that not real? Are the actions and subsequent emotions not real?

What does Psychology say about it?

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
what has god done for me lately?
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What have you done for him lately?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
Funny how no one elses boats or arks worked, only Noah’s.

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?

That only strengthens the validity of the story.[/quote]

There is no validity, how could it be strengthened?

Some christians have tried to claim there was no rain before the flood, which is equally as laughable as the other boats all had holes.

Or the story of noahs ark is all true and god sniped off all the other boats, which isn’t that much more silly that the rest of the story to be honest, it is just funny to think about people believing such a thing.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
what has god done for me lately?
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What have you done for him lately?[/quote]

I have a tenner to a homeless guy at the train station because i didn’t have any coins? I also made potato ash for my nana, but that wasn’t selfless because I ate it too and it tasted immense.

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[quote]pabergin wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

Just like rights are not real, rape is not an actual thing, they are things we created.

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I’m not sure I understand this.

When one person takes advantage of a relatively vulnerable person in order to satisfy his own selfish desires (whatever they may be), in what way is that not real? Are the actions and subsequent emotions not real?

What does Psychology say about it? [/quote]

Morals are social constructs we created. There is no good or evil, they are ever changing, ever being redefined.

That does not mean I can’t think any of the social constructs are a good idea or useful. I just recognise we are matter like evrything else, we gained consciousness and we as animals with the ability to think designed moral constructs to make our enviorment safer, more prosperous.

There is no force of good and evil or an absolute right or wrong, the universe does not care, carbon has no reason.

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[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:

So when god aborts a fetus it is ok, when we do it it is an abomination?

[/quote]

Yep.

Your difficulty in comprehending this is that you have fallen for the premise first used a long time ago in the Garden where the first woman was assured she could become like God.

You think you (we) have become gods and as such can taunt our fellow God about what we perceive to be His inconsistencies. This has been going on for a long time. You think we can create “Gotcha” scenarios with the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God of the Universe.

You can’t. You’re a fucking pipsqueak. I’m a fucking pipsqueak. Get over yourself.
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OK, so god commanding Saul to commit genocide upon the Amalekites is ok because god is infallible.

Our all knowing, all seeing, all powerful god who kills us and damns us to eternal torture in hell, because he loves us.

Sounds like an abusive stepfather.[/quote]

Just another perspective on your comments.

In regard to your comment on genocide, the Christian might say: “Nothing that happens now, will happen in the future, or has happened in the past, occurs without God allowing for it. Everything happens according to a purpose. For everything that happens around you, out of your control, the only thing that matters are your intentions and your response.”

In regard to your comment on hell and the love of God: God has given you free will, God allows you choose your ultimate destiny, though he may prefer for all to be saved.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Perlenbacher15 wrote:
what has god done for me lately?
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What have you done for him lately?[/quote]

Bitched about people who believe on an internet forum?

Ridiculed those that believed on an internet forum?

Crusaded for the glory of non-believers on an internet forum?

oh and ignored people who point out the flaws in his argument, only choosing to argue with Push, because Push happens to believe something much more complex to defend.

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Oh god… Bigflamer, is that you under a new screen name?