"You said, “when its clear by the dimensions of the ark that the animals wouldn’t fit inside.”
You’re wrong. It’s not clear. Do your research in this regard."
the sea faring capabilities of the people of this era preclude the possibility of building a vessel large enuf to accommodate 2 of EVERY animal on the earth,let alone the idea of the animals migrating to the ark. Research this…And learn. Open your mind to reality
And Noah cursed his son for laughing at him when he was drunk(by accident of course)
And what the hail does this have to do with the authenticity of the Old Testament?
The scriptures teach us it is evil to curse people,but Noah was a “righteous” man. Can’t be both…
[quote]pushharder wrote:
By the way, I’ve seen many scenarios that make good cases for fitting the animals on the Ark.
For one thing, the freaking thing was some kind of hyooge.
For another, a whole lot less animals than many folks think went on the doggone thing. In fact, there was probablyenough room for a sun deck and swim up bar for the family along with tennis courts and even tetherball.[/quote]
lol. I like that 
anyway, God didn’t know Adam would be lonely so he made him sleep and took one of his ribs and made him a mate. Is this serious? Come on…why not just make her from the dust of the ground like with Adam? And how big was she,being made from a single rib? Logical?
You might even believe that Daniel spent the night in the lions den and that his buddies survived the firey furnace. Or that God created the earth in 7 days,or that Jesus lineage is correct even tho it is different in at least 2 of the gospels. Maybe Jesus did curse the fig tree because its fruit wasn’t ripe out of season,maybe was angry. Jonah probably got swalllowed by a great fish and vomited onto dry ground,really? And on and on
oops 6 days
Gotta roll hotrod. Take it easy and remember to love your neighbor as much as yourself,even if they are ignorant and foolish.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]confusion wrote:
its silly. Noah didn’t know about grapes fermenting into wine? Hmm. Noahs family were the only righteous people on the earth. Its safe to say they were still righteous for a while,and they could only re populate the earth by having sex with family.members. that my friend has always been a tabboo. Then they became evil,over time,but even Lot wasn’t immune to incest. His daughters got him drunk and had sex with him because they wanted kids. I’ve never been tlo drunk to know I was having sex…but God still saved him from the fate of Sodom. Hmm[/quote]
Oh good lord, you’re not worth my time.
One thing, however: show me where incest was taboo before Noah or even Abraham. Whip out your trusty KJV or NIV or Greek or Hebrew scrolls and show me where, Senor Pentateuch Scholar.[/quote]
Technically speaking, nothing was against the Law before Moses. Isn’t that right?
EDIT: This may seem like an impertinent question, but really, other than “eat not of the Forbidden Fruit”, what specific commands did the Creator give his Creations in the 1655 years between Creation of Man and Deluge (according to Ussher), the violators of which were deemed sufficiently wicked so as to justify destroying not only them and their families, but all life on the planet?
Further to that, what can we say of an omnipotent being who creates something, looks it over, declares it “very good” (Genesis 1:31), and then, practically as soon as he comes back from his vacation (he rested on the seventh day, and one of God’s days, we know from 2nd Peter 3:8, is equivalent to a thousand earth years), he looks around and regrets ever making the earth and all of the living things on it (Genesis 6:7) because human beings (with the exception of Noah) had become “wicked” and “corrupt” and “violent”?
First off, when did he ever tell them NOT to be violent? When did he ever tell them ANYTHING except “don’t eat the fruit”? What were the standards of wickedness in the days before the giving of the Law? The essence of sin is disobedience, but what was mankind expected to obey, post-Fall?
God creates man in his own image, which is jealous (Exodus 20:5), vengeful (Deuteronomy 32:35) and wrathful (Nahum 1:2), then expects man not to be so, without even mentioning to man that it’s not okay to be so?
Oh, and Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament, hates violence? Really?
Uh huh.
I am no prophet, but I can sense your response.I can feel it building in your thick callused fingers. It will take the form of calling me out for my ignorance of prehistory and scripture, my closed-mindedness, and my need to “study up”. You will express pity and/or distaste for my “hatred” of God. You will probably also either call me “boy” or “son” or some other condescending epithet, or else do something silly with my username: Varqaroonie, Varqamajigger, something along those lines.
Whatever. I look forward to being proven wrong.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Technically speaking, nothing was against the Law before Noah. Isn’t that right?[/quote]
Fixed.
Maybe that’s why the whole world got so dadgum evil the Lord had to cleanse it with the Great Flood.[/quote]
The world got dadgum evil? Or just some people did?
Because surely you cannot expect me to believe that with the exception of Noah and his household, every other man, woman and child on the entire surface of the earth was dadgum evil. Surely you don’t mean to say that the infants at their mothers’ breasts and the fetuses in their mothers’ wombs were “corrupt” and “wicked” and “violent” and “dadgum evil”.
And what of the animals and the plants, who presumably had simply been acting according to their created natures all along? Dadgum evil?
And surely you cannot expect me to believe that there was more dadgum evil being done by more people in those days worldwide than is done on any given day in Juarez, Mogadishu, Grozny, and Washington, DC.
pushharder is clever in that he picks a point to debate,ignores the one’s he canr disagree with and then makes little quips and insults and appears clever,which I am sure he is. This makes it appear that he is dominating the discussion. I think a good place to start is.not actually with the Bible per se but with the existance of God,then go from there about.the.Son and the holy spirit,which all happen to be males. If pussharder makes it that far,discuss the proof of Jesus existance,or even mention of his name by historians OF HIS TIME,a test he will fail…and so on. He has a lot of practice at this so he may “win” anyway.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
See Genesis 9. The Noahic Law.
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Yup. The Noahide Laws. Thanks for the correction.
The only direct commandments given to Noah in Genesis 9 are “be fruitful and multiply”, “subdue the earth and its creatures”, “don’t eat living animals”, and “don’t kill people, or you’ll be killed”.
The Talmud also mentions that the other laws given to Noah were to refrain from blasphemy, idolatry, adultery and robbery. Which means that Lot was technically off the hook for incest, since it wasn’t specifically banned, but whether or not he committed adultery with his daughters is another story.
Nope. Not until Abraham.
Nope. Not until Judah.
Here the Muslims would disagree with you. According to them, all of the patriarchs, from Adam on down, submitted ('aslama) to the will of God, so were by definition muslim ("one who submits to God[/i]. Adam and Noah are important prophets in Islam. Which I know you don’t give two shits about, but there it is.
Indeed.
Highly doubtful, as there was very little “science” to speak of, and anyone who didn’t actually study the natural world distrusted or feared those who did.
Probably not. The cumulative knowledge and experience of humanity had not yet developed sufficiently to reject the possibility of deities, the supernatural, mysticism, or superstition. I would say that Thales of Miletus (7th Century BC) was the first scientist, the first to discover that astronomical events were predictable, and not orchestrated by the gods. The first atheist in Western history was probably Diagoras (6th Century BC) who, like Socrates, was accused of heresy for not believing in the Olympian gods.
Now, there was the Sankhya philosophical school in India, which denies the existence of a god or gods: they started out 1500 years before Diagoras, but well after the Noahide laws were adopted, so not in our discussion. What we had for most of human history were a LOT of polytheists, including some who thought that ONE god was better than all the others.