Riot Following Laker Win

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Because everybody on welfare walks by tons of “Help wanted” signs every day, they have the means to travel to work and have their children looked after, they could easily get up and get a great job…

they’re just babies milking the tit.
[/quote]

And you imply the opposite point of view is true which is just as retarded. That there aren’t jobs for these people and that they cannot get to work.

I ran 15km each day to work for 3 months until I moved closer. Many of these poverty stricken people are in the inner city and are much closer to jobs than I was.

You know what would actually fix the ghettos? Get rid of no-fault divorce. Give married couples which have children who perform well in school more money than single parents and parents with children who perform poorly. Quickly watch standards rise.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
The Lakers win a championship - not exactly their first, at any rate - and hell breaks loose.

A thousand year flood hits Nashville, Tennessee in May - lives are lost, properties are devastated (millions in damages), massive power outages occur, etc. - no looting, no rioting. Just random strangers rescuing each other and bending over backwards to give material support to the victims (their fellow neighbors).

It’s culture. People and their priorities matter. Be smart where you pick to live.[/quote]

This.
I have intended to introduce this topic in a thread for several weeks.

I live in Nashville. Not one thread was written on this tragedy. I barely saw it touched upon on the national news.

Yet, this very flood ranks as the largest non-hurricane natural disaster in the history of our nation. How many of you folks are even aware?

I could not be prouder of my city. Before the rains had stopped, citizens were organizing in any way they could to help their neighbor. It never occurred to us that it was the job of government and that we should wait around and whine. It was as if most people realized that the government would just get in the way.

A great proportion of the response was organized and orchestrated by the churches. It was a beautiful thing. For at least the first two weeks, there were a minimum of 1500 volunteers show up at my one church alone every single morning to receive orders and destinations where help was needed the most. Armies of volunteers helped clean up, strip whole houses of sheet rock, carpet etc., and clean and disinfect for the start of rebuilding.

There was NO rioting and no looting. There was no need for it. Before victims could even get over their shock, they had friends, neighbors and strangers at their side and hard at work.

Did the President show up? No. I do not think he would have wanted the rest of the country see how effective people can be without Big Brother.

So yes, you are correct in saying it is all about the culture. In LA it is about a culture of Entitlement without effort. In Nashville it is about a culture of self sufficiency nurtured in good old Judeo-Christian beliefs and backed by honest, non forced charity and good will for your fellow man. [/quote]

True. But social change doesn’t come from everyone, all together, up and deciding to “be better people”.[/quote]

But why shouldn’t it?

And JEATON and thunderbolt, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. I have friends who live in TN and I’ve heard the same thing from them.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I remember a while back there was a video of a huge black guy beating up a white guy in a pizza store. A good number of the guys on this site piped up about how they would have stepped in, what they would have done.

It’s funny how people not directly in a situation would act so bravely, and tirelessly, and be unaffected by struggle. Yet we see time and time again that the vast majority of people aren’t heroes - they’re normal people.

So anybody who wants to fantasize that they’d pull themselves up by their own bootstraps out of the ghetto, put in twice the effort for half the return that those more advantaged get, for years and years just to someday get to (maybe) upper middle class…

have fun in dream land.[/quote]

It is ok man, I guess you are Entitled.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
Because everybody on welfare walks by tons of “Help wanted” signs every day, they have the means to travel to work and have their children looked after, they could easily get up and get a great job…

they’re just babies milking the tit.
[/quote]

And you imply the opposite point of view is true which is just as retarded. That there aren’t jobs for these people and that they cannot get to work.

I ran 15km each day to work for 3 months until I moved closer. Many of these poverty stricken people are in the inner city and are much closer to jobs than I was.

You know what would actually fix the ghettos? Get rid of no-fault divorce. Give married couples which have children who perform well in school more money than single parents and parents with children who perform poorly. Quickly watch standards rise.[/quote]

3 whole months till you moved? Yeah, that sounds about the same as being in the same situation with no viable chance of ever moving.

zzzzzzz.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I remember a while back there was a video of a huge black guy beating up a white guy in a pizza store. A good number of the guys on this site piped up about how they would have stepped in, what they would have done.

It’s funny how people not directly in a situation would act so bravely, and tirelessly, and be unaffected by struggle. Yet we see time and time again that the vast majority of people aren’t heroes - they’re normal people.

So anybody who wants to fantasize that they’d pull themselves up by their own bootstraps out of the ghetto, put in twice the effort for half the return that those more advantaged get, for years and years just to someday get to (maybe) upper middle class…

have fun in dream land.[/quote]

It is ok man, I guess you are Entitled.
[/quote]

And you had no help from anyone or anything and built an empire out of dust.

Inspiration to us all.

:stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I remember a while back there was a video of a huge black guy beating up a white guy in a pizza store. A good number of the guys on this site piped up about how they would have stepped in, what they would have done.

It’s funny how people not directly in a situation would act so bravely, and tirelessly, and be unaffected by struggle. Yet we see time and time again that the vast majority of people aren’t heroes - they’re normal people.

So anybody who wants to fantasize that they’d pull themselves up by their own bootstraps out of the ghetto, put in twice the effort for half the return that those more advantaged get, for years and years just to someday get to (maybe) upper middle class…

have fun in dream land.[/quote]

It is ok man, I guess you are Entitled.
[/quote]

And you had no help from anyone or anything and built an empire out of dust.

Inspiration to us all.

:P[/quote]

My brother and sister had their college, room and bored paid for by my father. I got a full scholarship that paid for mine. I worked my but off for that scholarship, and held a part time job for everything else I needed. I then got a full time job that paid for my Masters. I have grabbed myself up by the boot straps and did what I had to do to get a leg up. I can not boast too much because I did have the God of the Bible help me out.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I remember a while back there was a video of a huge black guy beating up a white guy in a pizza store. A good number of the guys on this site piped up about how they would have stepped in, what they would have done.

It’s funny how people not directly in a situation would act so bravely, and tirelessly, and be unaffected by struggle. Yet we see time and time again that the vast majority of people aren’t heroes - they’re normal people.

So anybody who wants to fantasize that they’d pull themselves up by their own bootstraps out of the ghetto, put in twice the effort for half the return that those more advantaged get, for years and years just to someday get to (maybe) upper middle class…

have fun in dream land.[/quote]

It is ok man, I guess you are Entitled.
[/quote]

And you had no help from anyone or anything and built an empire out of dust.

Inspiration to us all.

:P[/quote]

My brother and sister had their college, room and bored paid for by my father. I got a full scholarship that paid for mine. I worked my but off for that scholarship, and held a part time job for everything else I needed. I then got a full time job that paid for my Masters. I have grabbed myself up by the boot straps and did what I had to do to get a leg up. I can not boast too much because I did have the God of the Bible help me out.[/quote]

Sounds like you had reason to believe that your efforts would pay off. Psychological advantages like that are huge.

Now, imagine that you didn’t come from a family that had enough resources to send two children to college all expenses paid.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
I remember a while back there was a video of a huge black guy beating up a white guy in a pizza store. A good number of the guys on this site piped up about how they would have stepped in, what they would have done.

It’s funny how people not directly in a situation would act so bravely, and tirelessly, and be unaffected by struggle. Yet we see time and time again that the vast majority of people aren’t heroes - they’re normal people.

So anybody who wants to fantasize that they’d pull themselves up by their own bootstraps out of the ghetto, put in twice the effort for half the return that those more advantaged get, for years and years just to someday get to (maybe) upper middle class…

have fun in dream land.[/quote]

It is ok man, I guess you are Entitled.
[/quote]

And you had no help from anyone or anything and built an empire out of dust.

Inspiration to us all.

:P[/quote]

My brother and sister had their college, room and bored paid for by my father. I got a full scholarship that paid for mine. I worked my but off for that scholarship, and held a part time job for everything else I needed. I then got a full time job that paid for my Masters. I have grabbed myself up by the boot straps and did what I had to do to get a leg up. I can not boast too much because I did have the God of the Bible help me out.[/quote]

Sounds like you had reason to believe that your efforts would pay off. Psychological advantages like that are huge.

Now, imagine that you didn’t come from a family that had enough resources to send two children to college all expenses paid. [/quote]

You know why we had the money. My father decided to sacrifice and instead saved his entire life so he could help his children go to college. He never made over $50k while I was living in his house. I was never allowed to turn the A/C below 80 degrees. I will say I was blessed because I was loved by both of my parents (even though they divorced while I was in 4th grade), and God has blessed me even more. I never blamed my situation on anyone. I never expected the government to take care of me. I left the house at 18 and never went back. Character is what is missing from those areas. Put faith in yourself, and not in a man who lives in the White House. Work hard and it will pay off. This is what this Country is for. We are the land of freedom and opportunity. The opportunity is there you just have to go and work for it.

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

By the way, today is the Laker Victory Parade, the city treasurer said we have no money to pay for this, but we are still having it, take a stab at who will pay for it…you are looking at him, and others like him.
/rant.[/quote]

Un-fucking-belieavable.

Sacramento voted 10-1 to boycott AZ…you should see the city’s facebook page…the boycott is going to hurt.[/quote]

Are you sure about that, Max?

LA Lakers to pay tab for championship parade

By JACOB ADELMAN
Associated Press Writer
LOS ANGELES â??

The Los Angeles Lakers planned to celebrate their NBA championship more modestly than their recent titles, with a self-funded parade that avoids the city’s downtown core and omits the huge rallies that have drawn tens of thousands of fans in previous years.

Both team and city officials were quick to say the Lakers would pick up the tab for the scaled-down celebration - estimated at $1.5 million by city managers and $2 million by the Lakers - after last year’s parade and the subsequent Michael Jackson memorial brought complaints of needless spending by the fiscally ailing city.

“I want to applaud the LA Lakers for their good corporate citizenship for sponsoring the parade,” Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa told a news conference Friday. “It will be a great cause for celebration.”

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
3 whole months till you moved? Yeah, that sounds about the same as being in the same situation with no viable chance of ever moving.
[/quote]

I’m not trying to pretend I have it as rough as those in poverty. However I’m not going to be like you and pretend that after working for months with a steady income you cannot afford a bus ticket, or a bicycle, or a second hand scooter.

And I moved because I got kicked out of my house.

How many people in the ghetto have cable? Well those people can cancel their cable and spend that money on bus tickets.

All you are doing is spreading the “Not my fault. Nothing I can do about it” mentality. It is this mentality that keeps them in poverty. Ghetto culture keeps them down.

Remove welfare benefits and the whole area turns into even more of a cesspool. Increase benefits and nothing good will come of it. Changing the culture is the only option.

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[quote]phaethon wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
3 whole months till you moved? Yeah, that sounds about the same as being in the same situation with no viable chance of ever moving.
[/quote]

I’m not trying to pretend I have it as rough as those in poverty. However I’m not going to be like you and pretend that after working for months with a steady income you cannot afford a bus ticket, or a bicycle, or a second hand scooter.

And I moved because I got kicked out of my house.

How many people in the ghetto have cable? Well those people can cancel their cable and spend that money on bus tickets.

All you are doing is spreading the “Not my fault. Nothing I can do about it” mentality. It is this mentality that keeps them in poverty. Ghetto culture keeps them down.

Remove welfare benefits and the whole area turns into even more of a cesspool. Increase benefits and nothing good will come of it. Changing the culture is the only option.[/quote]

Sorry to hear about you getting kicked out. Been there, it sucks.

Interesting point about the cable tv… I remember hearing somewhere that during the great depression, movies and alcohol sales actually went up. People in shitty situations tend to gravitate towards things that help them get away from thinking about their situation - so its easy, from outside, to say “Give up the cable tv and drinking on the weekends and you’ll have money for a bus pass to work”… from the inside, its a bit different.

You’re ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about changing the culture. The question is what can be done to positively affect the culture?

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I just don’t think considering those involved “babies milking the tit” and making the solution “pull the bottle out of their mouths and let them fend for themselves”… just asking for trouble.

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[quote]ron22 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
The Lakers win a championship - not exactly their first, at any rate - and hell breaks loose.

A thousand year flood hits Nashville, Tennessee in May - lives are lost, properties are devastated (millions in damages), massive power outages occur, etc. - no looting, no rioting. Just random strangers rescuing each other and bending over backwards to give material support to the victims (their fellow neighbors).

It’s culture. People and their priorities matter. Be smart where you pick to live.[/quote]

This.
I have intended to introduce this topic in a thread for several weeks.

I live in Nashville. Not one thread was written on this tragedy. I barely saw it touched upon on the national news.

Yet, this very flood ranks as the largest non-hurricane natural disaster in the history of our nation. How many of you folks are even aware?

I could not be prouder of my city. Before the rains had stopped, citizens were organizing in any way they could to help their neighbor. It never occurred to us that it was the job of government and that we should wait around and whine. It was as if most people realized that the government would just get in the way.

A great proportion of the response was organized and orchestrated by the churches. It was a beautiful thing. For at least the first two weeks, there were a minimum of 1500 volunteers show up at my one church alone every single morning to receive orders and destinations where help was needed the most. Armies of volunteers helped clean up, strip whole houses of sheet rock, carpet etc., and clean and disinfect for the start of rebuilding.

There was NO rioting and no looting. There was no need for it. Before victims could even get over their shock, they had friends, neighbors and strangers at their side and hard at work.

Did the President show up? No. I do not think he would have wanted the rest of the country see how effective people can be without Big Brother.

So yes, you are correct in saying it is all about the culture. In LA it is about a culture of Entitlement without effort. In Nashville it is about a culture of self sufficiency nurtured in good old Judeo-Christian beliefs and backed by honest, non forced charity and good will for your fellow man. [/quote]

True. But social change doesn’t come from everyone, all together, up and deciding to “be better people”.[/quote]

But why shouldn’t it?

And JEATON and thunderbolt, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. I have friends who live in TN and I’ve heard the same thing from them. [/quote]

Good idea. Why don’t all the poor people just get their shit together all at once? Why don’t all the rich people become more generous?

Why don’t the jews and arabs just stop fighting? Why don’t the criminals just say “hey, I don’t want to be a criminal anymore”?

etc. etc.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ron22 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
The Lakers win a championship - not exactly their first, at any rate - and hell breaks loose.

A thousand year flood hits Nashville, Tennessee in May - lives are lost, properties are devastated (millions in damages), massive power outages occur, etc. - no looting, no rioting. Just random strangers rescuing each other and bending over backwards to give material support to the victims (their fellow neighbors).

It’s culture. People and their priorities matter. Be smart where you pick to live.[/quote]

This.
I have intended to introduce this topic in a thread for several weeks.

I live in Nashville. Not one thread was written on this tragedy. I barely saw it touched upon on the national news.

Yet, this very flood ranks as the largest non-hurricane natural disaster in the history of our nation. How many of you folks are even aware?

I could not be prouder of my city. Before the rains had stopped, citizens were organizing in any way they could to help their neighbor. It never occurred to us that it was the job of government and that we should wait around and whine. It was as if most people realized that the government would just get in the way.

A great proportion of the response was organized and orchestrated by the churches. It was a beautiful thing. For at least the first two weeks, there were a minimum of 1500 volunteers show up at my one church alone every single morning to receive orders and destinations where help was needed the most. Armies of volunteers helped clean up, strip whole houses of sheet rock, carpet etc., and clean and disinfect for the start of rebuilding.

There was NO rioting and no looting. There was no need for it. Before victims could even get over their shock, they had friends, neighbors and strangers at their side and hard at work.

Did the President show up? No. I do not think he would have wanted the rest of the country see how effective people can be without Big Brother.

So yes, you are correct in saying it is all about the culture. In LA it is about a culture of Entitlement without effort. In Nashville it is about a culture of self sufficiency nurtured in good old Judeo-Christian beliefs and backed by honest, non forced charity and good will for your fellow man. [/quote]

True. But social change doesn’t come from everyone, all together, up and deciding to “be better people”.[/quote]

But why shouldn’t it?

And JEATON and thunderbolt, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. I have friends who live in TN and I’ve heard the same thing from them. [/quote]

Good idea. Why don’t all the poor people just get their shit together all at once? Why don’t all the rich people become more generous?

Why don’t the jews and arabs just stop fighting? Why don’t the criminals just say “hey, I don’t want to be a criminal anymore”?

[/quote]

Because they don’t really want to.

Simple.

Now please go back to doing your homework so you can someday graduate and actually contribute something to society.[/quote]

I did a backflip once, but it was on a trampoline.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]ron22 wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
The Lakers win a championship - not exactly their first, at any rate - and hell breaks loose.

A thousand year flood hits Nashville, Tennessee in May - lives are lost, properties are devastated (millions in damages), massive power outages occur, etc. - no looting, no rioting. Just random strangers rescuing each other and bending over backwards to give material support to the victims (their fellow neighbors).

It’s culture. People and their priorities matter. Be smart where you pick to live.[/quote]

This.
I have intended to introduce this topic in a thread for several weeks.

I live in Nashville. Not one thread was written on this tragedy. I barely saw it touched upon on the national news.

Yet, this very flood ranks as the largest non-hurricane natural disaster in the history of our nation. How many of you folks are even aware?

I could not be prouder of my city. Before the rains had stopped, citizens were organizing in any way they could to help their neighbor. It never occurred to us that it was the job of government and that we should wait around and whine. It was as if most people realized that the government would just get in the way.

A great proportion of the response was organized and orchestrated by the churches. It was a beautiful thing. For at least the first two weeks, there were a minimum of 1500 volunteers show up at my one church alone every single morning to receive orders and destinations where help was needed the most. Armies of volunteers helped clean up, strip whole houses of sheet rock, carpet etc., and clean and disinfect for the start of rebuilding.

There was NO rioting and no looting. There was no need for it. Before victims could even get over their shock, they had friends, neighbors and strangers at their side and hard at work.

Did the President show up? No. I do not think he would have wanted the rest of the country see how effective people can be without Big Brother.

So yes, you are correct in saying it is all about the culture. In LA it is about a culture of Entitlement without effort. In Nashville it is about a culture of self sufficiency nurtured in good old Judeo-Christian beliefs and backed by honest, non forced charity and good will for your fellow man. [/quote]

True. But social change doesn’t come from everyone, all together, up and deciding to “be better people”.[/quote]

But why shouldn’t it?

And JEATON and thunderbolt, I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. I have friends who live in TN and I’ve heard the same thing from them. [/quote]

Good idea. Why don’t all the poor people just get their shit together all at once? Why don’t all the rich people become more generous?

Why don’t the jews and arabs just stop fighting? Why don’t the criminals just say “hey, I don’t want to be a criminal anymore”?

[/quote]

Because they don’t really want to.

Simple.

Now please go back to doing your homework so you can someday graduate and actually contribute something to society.[/quote]

I did a backflip once, but it was on a trampoline.[/quote]

I approve of this riposte.