Riot Following Laker Win

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I want to thank our worthless piece of shit mayor, for bankrupting this city, and encouraging his La Raza-Mecha plan upon the city, with which he has had great success.

I want to thank the even more worthless LA City Council, for encouraging further spending when the LA housing bubble burst, with further government jobs and increased government pensions. The disease known as Liberalism with entitlement thinking has led to the demise of a once incredible economy. They also promoted sanctuary city policies, by having the mother fucking LA Police Chief stand up publicly for NOT enforcing immigration laws, and defending Special Order 40 (a law which prevents cops from inquiring about immigration status of anyone arrested).

Take note my friends, you all know me, you all know what I am about to say, I am a broken fucking record with this shit…

Do not let the Liberal mindset take foothold in your city or state. Los Angeles and California are why. If you want to prevent a 3rd world cesspool, a broken economy, huge unemployment, massive illegal immigration, incredibly high welfare rates, enforce the laws on the books. With a sledgehammer, with mother fucking THOR’S HAMMER.

By the way, today is the Laker Victory Parade, the city treasurer said we have no money to pay for this, but we are still having it, take a stab at who will pay for it…you are looking at him, and others like him. I have to pay to watch thugs and hoods wreck my city. Thank you Mayor Villa-Whore-rosa. You piece of fucking shit, you stood there claiming to be committed to the city, asshole you can’t even stay committed to your wife or your mistress. This guy cheats on his wife with a news reporter, then cheats on the reporter with another reporter, yet he is committed, more like he should be committed.

/rant.[/quote]

I wish more people would rant. This country is on some weird death spiral and the general public could care less.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I don’t think this issue is related to poverty as it is morals and values. We have a bunch of fucking savages here, mostly from south of the border, who live the same way they did when they were south of the border. You have immigrants from other countries who are also poor, and still are not the barbarians these pieces of shit are.

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I know what you’re trying to say. And folks like Otep don’t understand what I am trying to say. Poverty does NOT inevitably lead to rioting. But I believe the “don’t give a shit” attitude AND poverty - when they are joined at the hip and birthed from the loins of the entitlement mentality - DO tend to lead to the type of situations where riots arise.

For precisely the above reason, Appalachia, an example of poverty cited by Otep, does not produce common instances of rioting. Savvy?[/quote]

You sure its not because of their isolation, like it is with the Sioux nations in SDakota? I mean, its not like Apalachia hasn’t been home to a series of welfare programs, so I don’t know how they haven’t developed an entitlement mentality and this mysterious attitude problem to couple with their poverty and cause massive rioting at the least provocation.

FWIW, I don’t disagree with you… I just have a hard time quantifying ‘don’t give a shit’ attitude. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but it does mean its particularly unhelpful in explaining social phenomenon. We might as well call it ‘animal spirits’.[/quote]

Tell you what…I have a homework assignment for you…I want you to walk the streets of south L.A. on a hot summer night. Then I want you to travel to Detroit and do the same there. Then head southeast to Shady Spring, West Virginia. When you get done report back here with your thesis.

My gut feeling is you’ll conclude that rioting, which is just another name for common street crime practiced en masse, in Appalachia is a custom more prone to be habituated in the REAL “don’t give a shit” areas elsewhere. See…I’ve been to Appalachia…I’ve been to L.A…I’ve been to every other major city in the OossssAy (except Detroit believe it or not, it’s the only one) and the folks in Appalachia, generally speaking, DO give a shit. Can’t say the same about the fine citizenry of the City of Angels.

BTW, I’ve been on some Indian reservations and they are hellholes. True “don’t give a shit” territory.[/quote]

From what you’re writing, I’m getting that while these ‘animal spirits’ might not be measurable, they’re still detectable. Palpable, even. Okay, fine. We’re probably not getting anywhere further on that issue. I’d volunteer to hang out in 3rd Ward Houston for a while, but, it not being a hotbed of rioting, wouldn’t serve as a good example. My career apparently has yet to afford quite as much travelling as yours.

But do you still think it comes from welfare programs leading to an entitlement mentality which lead to both these animal spirits and poverty? In spite of the numerous examples to the contrary?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I don’t think this issue is related to poverty as it is morals and values. We have a bunch of fucking savages here, mostly from south of the border, who live the same way they did when they were south of the border. You have immigrants from other countries who are also poor, and still are not the barbarians these pieces of shit are.

[/quote]
I know what you’re trying to say. And folks like Otep don’t understand what I am trying to say. Poverty does NOT inevitably lead to rioting. But I believe the “don’t give a shit” attitude AND poverty - when they are joined at the hip and birthed from the loins of the entitlement mentality - DO tend to lead to the type of situations where riots arise.

For precisely the above reason, Appalachia, an example of poverty cited by Otep, does not produce common instances of rioting. Savvy?[/quote]

You sure its not because of their isolation, like it is with the Sioux nations in SDakota? I mean, its not like Apalachia hasn’t been home to a series of welfare programs, so I don’t know how they haven’t developed an entitlement mentality and this mysterious attitude problem to couple with their poverty and cause massive rioting at the least provocation.

FWIW, I don’t disagree with you… I just have a hard time quantifying ‘don’t give a shit’ attitude. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but it does mean its particularly unhelpful in explaining social phenomenon. We might as well call it ‘animal spirits’.[/quote]

Tell you what…I have a homework assignment for you…I want you to walk the streets of south L.A. on a hot summer night. Then I want you to travel to Detroit and do the same there. Then head southeast to Shady Spring, West Virginia. When you get done report back here with your thesis.

My gut feeling is you’ll conclude that rioting, which is just another name for common street crime practiced en masse, in Appalachia is a custom more prone to be habituated in the REAL “don’t give a shit” areas elsewhere. See…I’ve been to Appalachia…I’ve been to L.A…I’ve been to every other major city in the OossssAy (except Detroit believe it or not, it’s the only one) and the folks in Appalachia, generally speaking, DO give a shit. Can’t say the same about the fine citizenry of the City of Angels.

BTW, I’ve been on some Indian reservations and they are hellholes. True “don’t give a shit” territory.[/quote]

From what you’re writing, I’m getting that while these ‘animal spirits’ might not be measurable, they’re still detectable. Palpable, even. Okay, fine. We’re probably not getting anywhere further on that issue. I’d volunteer to hang out in 3rd Ward Houston for a while, but, it not being a hotbed of rioting, wouldn’t serve as a good example. My career apparently has yet to afford quite as much travelling as yours.

But do you still think it comes from welfare programs leading to an entitlement mentality which lead to both these animal spirits and poverty? In spite of the numerous examples to the contrary?

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I do believe that if you examine the statistics you will see a correlating drop in crime after the Welfare Reform bill was enacted into law in the 90s. ('96, I think)[/quote]

Correlation and causation…hmmm…

Didn’t Mr. Freakonomics (sp?) list a different “correlation” with that?

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[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I don’t think this issue is related to poverty as it is morals and values. We have a bunch of fucking savages here, mostly from south of the border, who live the same way they did when they were south of the border. You have immigrants from other countries who are also poor, and still are not the barbarians these pieces of shit are.

[/quote]
I know what you’re trying to say. And folks like Otep don’t understand what I am trying to say. Poverty does NOT inevitably lead to rioting. But I believe the “don’t give a shit” attitude AND poverty - when they are joined at the hip and birthed from the loins of the entitlement mentality - DO tend to lead to the type of situations where riots arise.

For precisely the above reason, Appalachia, an example of poverty cited by Otep, does not produce common instances of rioting. Savvy?[/quote]

You sure its not because of their isolation, like it is with the Sioux nations in SDakota? I mean, its not like Apalachia hasn’t been home to a series of welfare programs, so I don’t know how they haven’t developed an entitlement mentality and this mysterious attitude problem to couple with their poverty and cause massive rioting at the least provocation.

FWIW, I don’t disagree with you… I just have a hard time quantifying ‘don’t give a shit’ attitude. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but it does mean its particularly unhelpful in explaining social phenomenon. We might as well call it ‘animal spirits’.[/quote]

Tell you what…I have a homework assignment for you…I want you to walk the streets of south L.A. on a hot summer night. Then I want you to travel to Detroit and do the same there. Then head southeast to Shady Spring, West Virginia. When you get done report back here with your thesis.

My gut feeling is you’ll conclude that rioting, which is just another name for common street crime practiced en masse, in Appalachia is a custom more prone to be habituated in the REAL “don’t give a shit” areas elsewhere. See…I’ve been to Appalachia…I’ve been to L.A…I’ve been to every other major city in the OossssAy (except Detroit believe it or not, it’s the only one) and the folks in Appalachia, generally speaking, DO give a shit. Can’t say the same about the fine citizenry of the City of Angels.

BTW, I’ve been on some Indian reservations and they are hellholes. True “don’t give a shit” territory.[/quote]

From what you’re writing, I’m getting that while these ‘animal spirits’ might not be measurable, they’re still detectable. Palpable, even. Okay, fine. We’re probably not getting anywhere further on that issue. I’d volunteer to hang out in 3rd Ward Houston for a while, but, it not being a hotbed of rioting, wouldn’t serve as a good example. My career apparently has yet to afford quite as much travelling as yours.

But do you still think it comes from welfare programs leading to an entitlement mentality which lead to both these animal spirits and poverty? In spite of the numerous examples to the contrary?

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Houston would not be considered an Entitlement City. I agree that 3rd Ward and 4th Ward there are people on Welfare, but I beleive those people want to make a better life for themselves and get off of it. It is a Pride issue. They have self worth. Remember when the people from New Orleans came to Houston after Katrina. Crime spiked, there were places in Houston where the kids from New Orleans went to school and the crime there went up. Gang violence erupted for a 12 month period of time. It is a mentality that people in Houston and people of New Orleans do not share. Houston has liberals, but they do not cater to the poor like liberals in Prodominately Blue states, because the Republicans and even Moderates want people to work hard and get off of welfare. I am making an observation.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Houston would not be considered an Entitlement City. I agree that 3rd Ward and 4th Ward there are people on Welfare, but I beleive those people want to make a better life for themselves and get off of it. It is a Pride issue. They have self worth. Remember when the people from New Orleans came to Houston after Katrina. Crime spiked, there were places in Houston where the kids from New Orleans went to school and the crime there went up. Gang violence erupted for a 12 month period of time. It is a mentality that people in Houston and people of New Orleans do not share. Houston has liberals, but they do not cater to the poor like liberals in Prodominately Blue states, because the Republicans and even Moderates want people to work hard and get off of welfare. I am making an observation.[/quote]

In all fairness, New Orleans would not be considered an Entitlement City either, due to their failure to riot after The Saints won the Superbowl.

Or maybe they are, but they haven’t been one long enough to cause Push’s animal spirits to manifest.

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[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Houston would not be considered an Entitlement City. I agree that 3rd Ward and 4th Ward there are people on Welfare, but I beleive those people want to make a better life for themselves and get off of it. It is a Pride issue. They have self worth. Remember when the people from New Orleans came to Houston after Katrina. Crime spiked, there were places in Houston where the kids from New Orleans went to school and the crime there went up. Gang violence erupted for a 12 month period of time. It is a mentality that people in Houston and people of New Orleans do not share. Houston has liberals, but they do not cater to the poor like liberals in Prodominately Blue states, because the Republicans and even Moderates want people to work hard and get off of welfare. I am making an observation.[/quote]

In all fairness, New Orleans would not be considered an Entitlement City either, due to their failure to riot after The Saints won the Superbowl.

Or maybe they are, but they haven’t been one long enough to cause Push’s animal spirits to manifest.[/quote]

The City has changed since Katrina. All the refugees have not gone back home because there is no place to live. They even voted in a white mayor. It would have happened sooner, but the refugees were allowed to vote from other places in the country. Some of these refugees are on the take in the state the currently reside and Louisiana. Why would you want to go home when you have 2 checks coming in the mail.

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At first I was going to point out how tortured your explanations look, Maddox. But my guess is neither you nor Push will admit you have no idea how rioting happens, other than that ‘some places are just bad places’.

So… cool. Whatever.

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[quote]Otep wrote:
At first I was going to point out how tortured your explanations look, Maddox. But my guess is neither you nor Push will admit you have no idea how rioting happens, other than that ‘some places are just bad places’.

So… cool. Whatever.[/quote]

I can see your points, I guess I really do not have a clue why it happens, but my thoughts are observations I have seen. Riots happen in places usually stricken with poverty, and an idea that something is owed to people. Higher probablility of both in traditional Entitlement societies. New Orleans during Katrina there was rampant looting. People grabbing 10 pairs of $150 shoes all the same size, and then stating they needed them for their family. People grabbing flat screen tvs because they needed one. The idea that you have to work hard has left certain societies, and I have no clue why. Maybe it is the absence of a Father, or maybe the absence of the Church and God, I have to throw that in there, or maybe it is just ignorance. I guess we will never know, but continuing to give money to people that do not know how to take care of it is not the way to do it. There needs to be accountability in our society.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:
At first I was going to point out how tortured your explanations look, Maddox. But my guess is neither you nor Push will admit you have no idea how rioting happens, other than that ‘some places are just bad places’.

So… cool. Whatever.[/quote]

I can see your points, I guess I really do not have a clue why it happens, but my thoughts are observations I have seen. Riots happen in places usually stricken with poverty, and an idea that something is owed to people. Higher probablility of both in traditional Entitlement societies. New Orleans during Katrina there was rampant looting. People grabbing 10 pairs of $150 shoes all the same size, and then stating they needed them for their family. People grabbing flat screen tvs because they needed one. The idea that you have to work hard has left certain societies, and I have no clue why. Maybe it is the absence of a Father, or maybe the absence of the Church and God, I have to throw that in there, or maybe it is just ignorance. I guess we will never know, but continuing to give money to people that do not know how to take care of it is not the way to do it. There needs to be accountability in our society. [/quote]

Did these societies ever have this mentality, in your view?

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Riots are caused by a “Don’t give a shit attitude.”

Poor People have a “Don’t give a shit attitude.”

Poor people receive entitlements.

Therefore entitlements cause riots.

Logic fail of epic proportions.

â?­DAVEâ?­

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
See…Davey, back when I was your age I too had a problem with El Stupido too. I got the necessary counseling and look at the fine upstanding sensible man I turned into. I’ve been there, squirt. I can be there for you if you get bogged down and need a helping hand.[/quote]

I think you’re actually mentally retarded.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Entitlement Nanny State my friend. If I was in the car I would run the scum over.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with that. It’s fucked up excited people getting into a groupthink mentality and following the crowd in doing whatever they do. Then there’s some criminals who capitalize on that feeling and actually steal shit as well.

It would have happened whether the country was led by socialists or laissez-faire capitalists.

Nanny state entitlement…christ, you fucking people are ridiculous with this shit. [/quote]

Why does it seem to happen more in cities that are traditional entitlement cities than any where else? When you are handed something for free, money food stamps, and do not have to work for it, you are less likely to understand the meaning of ownership. The dude was sitting in his car and they busted his windshield? This stuff happens all the time in LA. New Orleans during Katrina. Lets go loot some shit because they have more than I do. Get off your rocker and start using your brain. [/quote]

I would say its because they’re poor, not because the government gives them food stamps.