Riot Following Laker Win

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Here’s some non-Nanny State rioting. Rioting occurs everywhere. If Montana State won the BCS Champsionship Game, their fans would probably go apeshit. To say that states with large social service programs are inherently prone to rioting is beyond ridiculous. Cities and states whose teams win big games are prone to rioting, regardless of where they are.

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The University of Montana is a Div. 1A football powerhouse and has won several national championships over the last 20 years. Guess what? No riots in Missoula.

Your post is hereby officially designated “Fail.”[/quote]

Are you really trying to convince me that people didn’t riot after the Grizzlies won a 1AA (not 1A) championship because of a lack of liberals amongst their fan base? Every person who’s ever rioted after a sporting event is a liberal, right? All of the problems, all of the crime, all of the societal unrest in this country is solely due to the existence of liberals, right? Because that’s all I hear from you once I filter out the bullshit.[/quote]

Is that what dmaddox said when he started this exchange? Go back and read his post and give your reading comprehension a tune-up.[/quote]

Come on Push. Your response to Fightin Irish’s assertion that rioting has nothing to do with entitlement programs is a clear insinuation that states without large entitlement programs or a large liberal population such as Utah or Montana do not riot. Based on the reams of posts you’ve had on this forum, it’s not a stretch at all for me to conclude that you equate entitlement programs with liberalism. It seems to me that you are inconspicuously trying to blame the outbreak of riots after games on the entitlement crowd, aka liberals.

If this is not what you are implying, then what are the reasons for an absence of riots in Montana and what leads you to assume that a city like Portland or a state like Utah (both of which have no championships of note) would not riot after a big win?

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Cooper, give up now while your ahead: There are people on here who honestly believe that entitlement programs are the reason for most of the developed worlds problems… I call it the “Limbaugh philosophy”

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The Clemson link is broken. The only riot I can remember in the two decades that I have been attending Clemson football games was the Daniel Square riot in 1998, which wasn’t directly related to a sporting event.

Actually, the Daniel Square riot support’s Push’s assertion since the rioting began when the local police broke up a party held at the starting qb’s house and attended by quite a few entitled rich kids with no respect for the value of property.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Here’s some non-Nanny State rioting. Rioting occurs everywhere. If Montana State won the BCS Champsionship Game, their fans would probably go apeshit. To say that states with large social service programs are inherently prone to rioting is beyond ridiculous. Cities and states whose teams win big games are prone to rioting, regardless of where they are.

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The University of Montana is a Div. 1A football powerhouse and has won several national championships over the last 20 years. Guess what? No riots in Missoula.

Your post is hereby officially designated “Fail.”[/quote]

Are you really trying to convince me that people didn’t riot after the Grizzlies won a 1AA (not 1A) championship because of a lack of liberals amongst their fan base? Every person who’s ever rioted after a sporting event is a liberal, right? All of the problems, all of the crime, all of the societal unrest in this country is solely due to the existence of liberals, right? Because that’s all I hear from you once I filter out the bullshit.[/quote]

Is that what dmaddox said when he started this exchange? Go back and read his post and give your reading comprehension a tune-up.[/quote]

Come on Push. Your response to Fightin Irish’s assertion that rioting has nothing to do with entitlement programs is a clear insinuation that states without large entitlement programs or a large liberal population such as Utah or Montana do not riot. Based on the reams of posts you’ve had on this forum, it’s not a stretch at all for me to conclude that you equate entitlement programs with liberalism. It seems to me that you are inconspicuously trying to blame the outbreak of riots after games on the entitlement crowd, aka liberals.[/quote]

A somewhat subtle distinction is in order here. It’s not so much the liberals present…hang with me…it’s not so much the “the entitlement crowd, aka liberals,” otherwise Portland would riot like British soccer fans because it is just about as liberal a city as anywhere in the US except San Fran…

I think I am going to leave this open for you to answer. Where do you think I’m going with this? C’mon…ante up.[quote]

If this is not what you are implying, then what are the reasons for an absence of riots in Montana and what leads you to assume that a city like Portland or a state like Utah (both of which have no championships of note) would not riot after a big win?[/quote]

I’m going to get you to tell me why not.
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What a fucking cop-out. You can’t answer my question in a satisfactory way so you try to put the onus on me to try and read your mind. I ask you why, and you want me to tell you why not? I don’t know why not? How’s that? Answer my question so I won’t have to read your mind or risk making an incorrect evaluation of the viewpoint you seem intent on not directly addressing.

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Some of you guys have put way too much thought into this. They riot because they can, plain and simple. An historic lack of punishment is to blame. It exists in Los Angeles. It’s now a game ppl play. “Hey let’s go downtown and get drunk and check out the may-lay.” How many ppl were arrested last night? It was very few and none for crimes of violence or property destruction, only for being drunk (and it was only like a dozen or two out of what, something like 500,000?). Oh yeah, I’m sure that set an example for next time and ppl won’t do it again since some ppl got put in the drunk tank.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
The reason Signore Maddox was headed in the right direction is liberalism does indeed create the entitlement mentality because liberalism creates the entitlements.

Entitlements create poverty.

Poverty creates “who gives a shit.”

“Who gives a shit” creates the atmosphere for riots.

The atmosphere for riots combined with any ol’ reason creates…riots.

Now Dumb Bell Cooper, you are dismissed.[/quote]

So if the Dutch win the World Cup… will Amsterdam still be there the next day? Because they’ve had a large entitlement system for long enough for the rest of your secondary effects to play through.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
The reason Signore Maddox was headed in the right direction is liberalism does indeed create the entitlement mentality because liberalism creates the entitlements.

Entitlements create poverty.

Poverty creates “who gives a shit.”

“Who gives a shit” creates the atmosphere for riots.

The atmosphere for riots combined with any ol’ reason creates…riots.

Now Dumb Bell Cooper, you are dismissed.[/quote]

So if the Dutch win the World Cup… will Amsterdam still be there the next day? Because they’ve had a large entitlement system for long enough for the rest of your secondary effects to play through.[/quote]

Shucks, Otep the Mighty, I don’t know nuthin bout Masterdam, I’m am Murrican.

Can you possibly tell us why LA or Detroit can and do riot and Dallas and Portland don’t?[/quote]

I reckon its cuz’n them thar eyeligull immuhgrants.

From a psychological point of view, something has to give license, and it could be these places have a history of rioting, which in turn gives license to the behavior, since it’s rarely fully put down (bad press), like BPTiger above mentioned. I think it has more to do along that vein than welfare state benefits, because while Europe has its riots, it correlates poorly with government intrusion into the market.

But it also correlates poorly with poverty: You never hear of riots in Apalachia, or N or S Dakota. Perhaps because the only thing they could destroy would be the family’s last good pair of shoes. And even then, you can still boil the leather for taste.

It also coorlates poorly with race: political protests turn into riots the world over, and while the green revolution in Iran and the protests against Zelaya in Honduras and the red-shirts in Thailand have more credence for rioting than the people in LA… it’s the same phenomenon.

So… no, I can’t tell you.

Though maybe it’s because the Trailblazers and the Mavericks suck.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:
The reason Signore Maddox was headed in the right direction is liberalism does indeed create the entitlement mentality because liberalism creates the entitlements.

Entitlements create poverty.

Poverty creates “who gives a shit.”

“Who gives a shit” creates the atmosphere for riots.

The atmosphere for riots combined with any ol’ reason creates…riots.

Now Dumb Bell Cooper, you are dismissed.[/quote]

So if the Dutch win the World Cup… will Amsterdam still be there the next day? Because they’ve had a large entitlement system for long enough for the rest of your secondary effects to play through.[/quote]

Shucks, Otep the Mighty, I don’t know nuthin bout Masterdam, I’m am Murrican.

Can you possibly tell us why LA or Detroit can and do riot and Dallas and Portland don’t?[/quote]

If liberalism creates entitlement, entitlement creates poverty, poverty creates a “who gives a shit” attitude, and that attitude leads to riots, then explain to me how riots occur in areas where there is not a prevailing “who gives a shit” attitude such as Minnesota? Also, by your logic, SF would have been burnt to the ground every time the 49ers won the Super Bowl. Five Super Bowl rings, zero riots. In fact, I can’t remember there ever being a riot in the Bay Area after any big wins. When the Giants won the National League in 2002, no riots whatsoever. When the A’s last won the World Series, no riots. When the Warriors actually made the playoffs a few years ago and then beat the Mavericks (which for them may as well have been the same as winning a championship), no riots. Shit, the last time the Raiders won the Super Bowl in Oakland there weren’t even any riots and those crazy fuckers will riot over a preseason game. So what about your logic makes it applicable to Lakers fans but not applicable to the most liberal metropolitan area in the country?

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I want you all to see the type of savagery we have here, the kind of scum, filth, and riff raff that we deal with. Last night, after the Laker win, these assholes destroyed property and terrorized people, and we WON the game…

so is the individual to blame for a riot, or is the whole greater than the sum of its parts?

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I’m pretty sure it was W. Scott Peck who stated “At the root of criminal behavior is the idea ‘I’m going to get mine.’.”

Riots = Opportunists + Opportunity

When you get big crowds of amped up people acting in a disorganized manner, you have opportunists in that crowd who take their turn at getting what they want. Whether it is throwing a rock at a cop or smash and grab appliances (tvs and whatnot). Once the basic social norms break down, it’s all down hill from there.

There is also a very strong element of the population who have an “I’m gonna get mine” attitude that really look forward to events like these as a great opportunity to “get theirs”.

There isn’t a damn person in those crowds doing anything that they didn’t want to do in the first place. That was just a great time for them to do it.

Funny though. Living in Pittsburgh, (well known for its work ethic and economic stability) and with all of the winning our teams do, there is barely a scuffle or two during the celebrations. Last Stanley cup had a couple of incidents started by some idiot college kids from Boston and Philly though. I think you are less likely to destroy and steal from people when you understand the value of work and what is required to obtain nice things.
That, and the cops here will literally flat out kill you if you act like an asshole. That makes the news on a regular basis.

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In the article below is raw video release by LAPD of the attack on the cab.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]Otep wrote:

…the Mavericks suck.[/quote]

Second best record in the Western Conference and they suck?[/quote]

Compared to the Lakers? Apparently.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
Entitlement Nanny State my friend. If I was in the car I would run the scum over.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with that. It’s fucked up excited people getting into a groupthink mentality and following the crowd in doing whatever they do. Then there’s some criminals who capitalize on that feeling and actually steal shit as well.

It would have happened whether the country was led by socialists or laissez-faire capitalists.

Nanny state entitlement…christ, you fucking people are ridiculous with this shit. [/quote]

If Billings, MT had an NBA team that won the Championship there absolutely, positively would not have been any riots.

If Dallas had won the Championship, no riots.

If Utah had won…, no riots.

If Portland had won…, no riots.

If Detroit had won…? Yeah, you guessed it…riots.[/quote]

Here’s some non-Nanny State rioting. Rioting occurs everywhere. If Montana State won the BCS Champsionship Game, their fans would probably go apeshit. To say that states with large social service programs are inherently prone to rioting is beyond ridiculous. Cities and states whose teams win big games are prone to rioting, regardless of where they are.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/136539/

http://www.clemsontalk.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-267.html
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/2002/bowls/news/2003/01/03/riots_postgame_ap/

There were also riots in Minnesota of the U of M won back-to-back NCAA Hockey Championships, in Edmonton after the Oilers won the Western Conference title, and in Denver after both of the Broncos Super Bowl wins.[/quote]

You are comparing a “pop gun” to a tank. What is beyond ridiculous is your refusal to acknowledge reality.

An altercation that would end in a fist fight in Nashville would more likely end with gun play in Oakland. But using your standard liberal thinking, they would be equivalent.

Good luck with that. You might have a future in politics.