[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Democracy – proving that the majority is ALWAYS just.
I guess we just need you to choose this “natural elite,” which only you can see, to make decisions for us.
Please hurry![/quote]
You make your own decisions. The market helps you in this regard. Members of the elite in the market are who you do business with…whether you want to believe it or not.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Democracy – proving that the majority is ALWAYS just.
I guess we just need you to choose this “natural elite,” which only you can see, to make decisions for us.
Please hurry!
I nominate DrSkeptix![/quote]
Dr Skepticks does not have a clue.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
But Sotomayor said that the Appeals Court is where policy is made!
Screw the ideas of a representative republic or rule of law! We need a wise woman like her put in office for life, accountable to no one, to decide policy.[/quote]
Everyone is accountable. I wish our sheepish population would remember that.
V
Thanks, Bill.
Let me add just in case there is anyone who thinks that I am “lukewarm” about the decision:
These are guys (Firefighters) who wouldn’t give a damn about WHAT my nationality or race was if I was caught in a fire; they would risk their lives to get me out. They are some of the LAST people that I would deny anything in terms of trying to better their lives.
I do have an issue with the City of New Haven, though. (As I’ve stated).
Mufasa
I’m glad that’s clear now, because the impression and understanding I’d had from your previous posts on other topics was different than what I had thought I was seeing here. It is indeed possible to explain one’s opinion of why someone did something while having a negative view of what they did but just not emphasizing that point and obviously that’s what happened.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Thanks, Bill.
Let me add just in case there is anyone who thinks that I am “lukewarm” about the decision:
These are guys (Firefighters) who wouldn’t give a damn about WHAT my nationality or race was if I was caught in a fire; they would risk their lives to get me out. They are some of the LAST people that I would deny anything in terms of trying to better their lives.
I do have an issue with the City of New Haven, though. (As I’ve stated).
Mufasa[/quote]
Exactly. They wouldn’t care what variation of human being you are ,and I doubt you would very much care what variation they were, when you are stuck in a burning building.
The test should simply be measure of who is the best firefighter. All black, all white or any combination in between is an acceptable outcome.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Chushin wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Democracy – proving that the majority is ALWAYS just.
I guess we just need you to choose this “natural elite,” which only you can see, to make decisions for us.
Please hurry!
I nominate DrSkeptix!
Dr Skepticks does not have a clue.
[/quote]
I, too, would decline the nomination. But clueless, I am not.
If there were a “natural elite,” I would not know how to find them, and impose them on others, as I am sure you would, Lifty, despite your mind-numbing and relentlessly confused profession of your protophilosophic syndico-anarchism.
Nope…paraphrasing W F Buckley, I would rather the Boston telephone directory, than the faculty of Yale University, choose my government.
If you believe, Lifty, in the marketplace of ideas, then yours have been around for years, and on display, and rejected time after time.
If you think of yourself as intellectually productive, Lifty, I have news for you: my dog is more productive, but I at least am compelled to pick up with a plastic bag the products of his efforts around the neighborhood.
Find a bag and use it.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Thanks, Bill.
Let me add just in case there is anyone who thinks that I am “lukewarm” about the decision:
These are guys (Firefighters) who wouldn’t give a damn about WHAT my nationality or race was if I was caught in a fire; they would risk their lives to get me out. They are some of the LAST people that I would deny anything in terms of trying to better their lives.
I do have an issue with the City of New Haven, though. (As I’ve stated).
Mufasa[/quote]
That is something that many who were involved in this politically seem to have missed, or chose to ignore. If you were in a burning building and needed help, would you want the most competent and capable of help available? Or would you want someone who was there because of reasons like affirmative action. People are so worried about other’s fragile sensibilities to just come out and say, “Hey, you failed the test required to attain this position. This has nothing to do with white, black, or anything else. You bombed a test.”
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Democracy – proving that the majority is ALWAYS just.
I guess we just need you to choose this “natural elite,” which only you can see, to make decisions for us.
Please hurry![/quote]
and again.
See, it works like this.
You claim he does not know what he is talking about and I post the link again to demonstrate your laziness.
I can copy and paste all day long.
One for you-
[quote]Chushin wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Democracy – proving that the majority is ALWAYS just.
I guess we just need you to choose this “natural elite,” which only you can see, to make decisions for us.
Please hurry!
I nominate DrSkeptix![/quote]
And one for you, too.
and again.
See, it works like this.
You claim he does not know what he is talking about and I post the link again to demonstrate your laziness.
I can copy and paste all day long.
Wait. I don’t get the original story…
White firefighters were denied their promotions because there were no minorities that passed the test?
And guess what?
Even insinuating that the best, brightest and most noble would rise to the top in a democracy is blatantly absurd.
Must I remind you that not only creme rises to that top but that turds also float?
This is not so much about defending LM, he is perfectly able to do that himself, but if there is one thing that I despise it is active and malicious ignorance and stupidity that feigns contempt for ideas neither studied nor understood.
Or maybe I am just overestimating your intelligence and you really believe that the US congress and senate consists of the best and brightest the US has to offer.
In that case, why do you NOT hate America?
That really would be the only way to go then.
[quote]matko5 wrote:
Wait. I don’t get the original story…
White firefighters were denied their promotions because there were no minorities that passed the test?[/quote]
You got that much of the story…
A very good analysis, for anyone interested in the law side:
I’m basically with Epstein on the broader issue of affirmative action. In the private sector, at least, any firm (or school) that would choose to engage in all-out segregation in this day and age would be committing economic suicide. We could probably scrap Title VII safely, (or at least, as the Court did, stop interpreting it in terms of raw racial statistics) and it would save a lot in terms of litigation costs and elaborate dances to avoid litigation. “Disparate treatment” is enough of a bulwark against discrimination, I think. And less vulnerable to abuse – hell, almost every standardized written test is probably going to show some disparate impact, and standardized testing is a widespread measure of competence that I don’t think should be universally scrapped.
But this
http://www.ordinary-gentlemen.com/2009/06/what-about-effects/
is worth keeping in mind. It’s too broad for the purpose, I think – when you make a legal decision, you don’t make it on the basis of the broader impact on race relations in America, you make it on legal grounds. But he makes a good point. Against Epstein’s optimism (that a rollback of government discrimination protections won’t lead to horrible racial stratification) you have decades of history and sociology that suggests that maybe it will. I’m tentatively with the optimists, but I wouldn’t bet my life on it.
[quote]orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Democracy – proving that the majority is ALWAYS just.
I guess we just need you to choose this “natural elite,” which only you can see, to make decisions for us.
Please hurry!
I nominate DrSkeptix!
And one for you, too.
and again.
See, it works like this.
You claim he does not know what he is talking about and I post the link again to demonstrate your laziness.
I can copy and paste all day long. [/quote]
That your reptilian brainstem can replicate crap–“all day long”–does not make it any less crappier.
If Saint Rothbard speaks to you, his paroclete, I do not feel so compelled to embrace your religion.
It is sophomore crap, fit for fishwrap.
Yes, I will still take democracy. Especially after reading that gorp. Keep posting, Fraud.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
orion wrote:
Chushin wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Democracy – proving that the majority is ALWAYS just.
I guess we just need you to choose this “natural elite,” which only you can see, to make decisions for us.
Please hurry!
I nominate DrSkeptix!
And one for you, too.
and again.
See, it works like this.
You claim he does not know what he is talking about and I post the link again to demonstrate your laziness.
I can copy and paste all day long.
That your reptilian brainstem can replicate crap–“all day long”–does not make it any less crappier.
If Saint Rothbard speaks to you, his paroclete, I do not feel so compelled to embrace your religion.
It is sophomore crap, fit for fishwrap.
Yes, I will still take democracy. Especially after reading that gorp. Keep posting, Fraud.
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Does my avatar insinuate a degree or “scepticism”?
This is not Sotomayor’s first go around with stuff like this. Check it out…
Now c’mon. When Souter announced his retirement, the liberals were all excited thinking about who should be nominated, and rapidly agreed it should be a Hispanic woman.
Obama provided one.
That should be the end of the story. What are all these complaints? She is a Hispanic woman. And a self-described “wise Latina woman,” at that. Being a member of the “correct” group is what really counts. But of course you Repugnicans are never going to stop complaining. You should all die.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
orion wrote:
And guess what?
Even insinuating that the best, brightest and most noble would rise to the top in a democracy is blatantly absurd.
Must I remind you that not only creme rises to that top but that turds also float?
This is not so much about defending LM, he is perfectly able to do that himself, but if there is one thing that I despise it is active and malicious ignorance and stupidity that feigns contempt for ideas neither studied nor understood.
Or maybe I am just overestimating your intelligence and you really believe that the US congress and senate consists of the best and brightest the US has to offer.
In that case, why do you NOT hate America?
That really would be the only way to go then.
He he.
Franz is still smarting from getting trounced by, well, just about everybody in the other thread.
You know, the one where he talked about Austrian superiority and America the Pussified.
Funny how the US is so “screwed up,” and yet dominates in so many ways, like no other country (not even Austria!!!), eh Franz?
Just keep saying to yourself, “Someday Austria will matter, someday Austria will matter.”
You’ll feel better in no time.[/quote]
I never talked about Austrian superiority but it seems to be a reoccurring theme with you.
And yes, America as a whole is pretty emasculated.
One of the symptoms would be feigned contempt for ideas not studied and applause for such contempt.
It is a low, cowardly and effeminate way of dealing with dissenting opinions.