Returning Vets = Terrorists?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pat wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
orion wrote:

There is something to be said about a site where a dick waving contest is about who is more fluent in Japanese.

Every single expat board out of Japan I’ve ever been on has a Japanese speaking dick-waving contest almost monthly. I don’t know what it is about Japanese society that causes foreigners who move there to try to “rank” themselves in such a fashion. Have you ever heard of such a thing in, say, Spanish?

Every single one? Really?[/quote]

Let me guess pat, you often hang out on expat boards for those in Japan, right?

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
dhickey wrote:
jawara wrote:
“Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists,” it says. “DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities.”

I would agree with this. Just as they probably want people that write, are good public speakers, have money, or influence with other groups of people.

This is precisely the reason I regret not going in as a young man. I could personally give two shits about serving my country over seas. I would just like the training to serve my fellow countrymen here if need be.

So add this and some of my other “right wing” views and they very well may put me on it.

I am really on the fense with thesewatch lists. Part of me doesn’t like the idea of “watching” people that haven’t done anything wrong. On the other hand, I think our law enforcement needs to profile to some extent. As long as they aren’t bugging your private property or otherwise infringing on your individual rights, I say you just have to deal with it. If you aren’t doing anything illegal, you shouldn’t have to worry about it. If you are doing something you shouldn’t be doing, you better be smart about it and assume you are on some sort of watch list.

Check out this article about making political statements in uniform: OPFOR | To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
I can actually see reasoning behind this. The uniform is a trademark or is owned by the military. The military should not be a political. So wear a t-shirt that says I am an Army Sergeant, but don’t where you uniform. Much like UPS might not like a driver parking his truck outside a strip joint and going inside wearing his uniform.

well, personally i think the whole thing is stupid. anyone understands the skills that a combat veteran has, but it doesn’t need to be said that they might have information that could assist these groups. just like you said, anyone with specific training could help these causes…

i read the official DHS file, and the only example they provide is Tim Mcveigh. well, with a million or so vets, you’d think they could have been a bit more specific about recent issues or threats.

the current administration is going out of its way to offend and isolate returning war vets…how 'bout the issues with the VA and gun control? turning over vets medical records?

all in all, i just think it was a dumb thing to point out. veterans are simply not a threat to law abiding member of the US.
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Funny thing is most domestic terrorism has been left wing. The Weather Underground, the black panthers, the SLA, the uni bomber were all left wing types.

Of course they always get it wrong. Hitler was a leftie after all.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
cycobushmaster wrote:
dhickey wrote:
jawara wrote:
“Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to right-wing extremists,” it says. “DHS/I&A is concerned that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize veterans in order to boost their violent capacities.”

I would agree with this. Just as they probably want people that write, are good public speakers, have money, or influence with other groups of people.

This is precisely the reason I regret not going in as a young man. I could personally give two shits about serving my country over seas. I would just like the training to serve my fellow countrymen here if need be.

So add this and some of my other “right wing” views and they very well may put me on it.

I am really on the fense with thesewatch lists. Part of me doesn’t like the idea of “watching” people that haven’t done anything wrong. On the other hand, I think our law enforcement needs to profile to some extent. As long as they aren’t bugging your private property or otherwise infringing on your individual rights, I say you just have to deal with it. If you aren’t doing anything illegal, you shouldn’t have to worry about it. If you are doing something you shouldn’t be doing, you better be smart about it and assume you are on some sort of watch list.

Check out this article about making political statements in uniform: OPFOR | To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.
I can actually see reasoning behind this. The uniform is a trademark or is owned by the military. The military should not be a political. So wear a t-shirt that says I am an Army Sergeant, but don’t where you uniform. Much like UPS might not like a driver parking his truck outside a strip joint and going inside wearing his uniform.

well, personally i think the whole thing is stupid. anyone understands the skills that a combat veteran has, but it doesn’t need to be said that they might have information that could assist these groups. just like you said, anyone with specific training could help these causes…

i read the official DHS file, and the only example they provide is Tim Mcveigh. well, with a million or so vets, you’d think they could have been a bit more specific about recent issues or threats.

the current administration is going out of its way to offend and isolate returning war vets…how 'bout the issues with the VA and gun control? turning over vets medical records?

all in all, i just think it was a dumb thing to point out. veterans are simply not a threat to law abiding member of the US.

Funny thing is most domestic terrorism has been left wing. The Weather Underground, the black panthers, the SLA, the uni bomber were all left wing types.

Of course they always get it wrong. Hitler was a leftie after all.
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good point!

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[quote]tom63 wrote:

Funny thing is most domestic terrorism has been left wing. The Weather Underground, the black panthers, the SLA, the uni bomber were all left wing types.

Of course they always get it wrong. Hitler was a leftie after all.
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Kaczynski was a Luddite. one of the key principles of Luddites is shunning technology because it allows greater government control and “leads to a totalitarian state.” Hmmm small governement, not invading peoples lives, hmmm not quite left wing.

nice that you left out McVeigh.

“The government is afraid of the guns people have because they have to have control of the people at all times. Once you take away the guns, you can do anything to the people. You give them an inch and they take a mile. I believe we are slowly turning into a socialist government. The government is continually growing bigger and more powerful, and the people need to prepare to defend themselves against government control.”

what left wing nonsense!

so really most domestic terrorism (total murders and destruction) has been right of center.

and hitler cleansed nearly all the leftists out of Germany. The ones that remained formed the resistance movements (pacifists and college hippy types in the White Rose, and then the Red Orchestra, shouldn’t have to explain that one)

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[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

nice that you left out McVeigh.

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he didn’t need to bring him up…i mentioned McVeigh in my post.

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[quote]PB-Crawl wrote:

so really most domestic terrorism (total murders and destruction) has been right of center.

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could you explain this further?

no arguing, i just odn’t see where you’re going with this, esp. with the Black Panthers, WU, etc that have been mentioned…

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[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
PB-Crawl wrote:

nice that you left out McVeigh.

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he didn’t need to bring him up…i mentioned McVeigh in my post.[/quote]

Exactly, they just hate when you point out that Hitler was left wing. All of the oppressive movements a=out there are left wing. communism, Let’s see, 10 million or so dead in the Soviet Union. a few million in vietnam.

I’ll take my chance with the right wing , thank you.

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McVeigh was responsible of 168 deaths, butt he amount of groups that do this stuff fall heavier on the left. Neonazis are left wing.

Hitler was a socialist, just because he killed gays and immigrants doesn’t mean he was right wing.

You see right wing doesn’t mean murderer, mean or whatever. it tends to mean lower taxes, no gun control control the borders, fiscal responsibility, etc. that funny freedom stuff.

Gun control is a whole bigger threat to my freedom that record labels, or no playboys at the convenience store. and you never see the right call for gun control.

I just ordered a cool book. It shows a translation of the Nazi weapons law from the 1920s and a side by side view of our gun control law of 1968.

The library of Congress did the translation for a Senator from Connecticut, Thomas Dodd, one of the authors of our gun law. funny how a liberal needs to go to Nazi law to write laws for our country.

Explain this one away.