Republican Presidents Destroyed the US Economy

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[quote]K2000 wrote:
Reagan doubled the rate of social security taxes from 6% to 12%, he exploded the national debt, he gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants spawning the immigration problem we have now, he signed disarmament treaties, he ignored terrorist attacks on US troops, he negotiated with Iranian terrorists and traded arms for hostages, he raised taxes on gasoline, he created a new cabinet level department, he swelled the size of the federal governement. I have no idea why Reagan is a conservative icon, maybe because they lack anything better I suppose.

I believe Reagan was a poor President even by the so called RIGHT’S standards

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Reagan doubled the rate of social security taxes from 6% to 12%, he exploded the national debt, he gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants spawning the immigration problem we have now, he signed disarmament treaties, he ignored terrorist attacks on US troops, he negotiated with Iranian terrorists and traded arms for hostages, he raised taxes on gasoline, he created a new cabinet level department, he swelled the size of the federal governement. I have no idea why Reagan is a conservative icon, maybe because they lack anything better I suppose.

I believe Reagan was a poor President even by the so called RIGHT’S standards [/quote]

At least you understand that its belief and not absolutely fact.

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[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Reagan doubled the rate of social security taxes from 6% to 12%, he exploded the national debt, he gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants spawning the immigration problem we have now, he signed disarmament treaties, he ignored terrorist attacks on US troops, he negotiated with Iranian terrorists and traded arms for hostages, he raised taxes on gasoline, he created a new cabinet level department, he swelled the size of the federal governement. I have no idea why Reagan is a conservative icon, maybe because they lack anything better I suppose.

I believe Reagan was a poor President even by the so called RIGHT’S standards [/quote]

At least you understand that its belief and not absolutely fact.
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Yes , it is what I believe , and I believe I have a very strong case. The defenders of Reagan want to get mired in all this disinformation his Public Relations DEPT. puts out , 22,000,000
Jobs that is fucking funny

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Reagan doubled the rate of social security taxes from 6% to 12%, he exploded the national debt, he gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants spawning the immigration problem we have now, he signed disarmament treaties, he ignored terrorist attacks on US troops, he negotiated with Iranian terrorists and traded arms for hostages, he raised taxes on gasoline, he created a new cabinet level department, he swelled the size of the federal governement. I have no idea why Reagan is a conservative icon, maybe because they lack anything better I suppose.

I believe Reagan was a poor President even by the so called RIGHT’S standards [/quote]

At least you understand that its belief and not absolutely fact.
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Yes , it is what I believe , and I believe I have a very strong case. The defenders of Reagan want to get mired in all this disinformation his Public Relations DEPT. puts out , 22,000,000
Jobs that is fucking funny[/quote]

I’ve posted three different web sites which give evidence to my assertion that Reagan did in fact create 20 million jobs.

You can continue to play the part of punk boy and say what ever you like on the Internet, nothing new. But if you’d like to post evidence to the contrary I’d be glad to read it. Otherwise, you should consider the fact that you have an emotional dislike to Reagan (and most republicans) accept it and know that it doesn’t not meet with the facts.

Your next post should have very solid evidence that Reagan did not create 20 million new jobs during his Presidency, or you should not post.

Which is it going to be?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]K2000 wrote:
Reagan doubled the rate of social security taxes from 6% to 12%, he exploded the national debt, he gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants spawning the immigration problem we have now, he signed disarmament treaties, he ignored terrorist attacks on US troops, he negotiated with Iranian terrorists and traded arms for hostages, he raised taxes on gasoline, he created a new cabinet level department, he swelled the size of the federal governement. I have no idea why Reagan is a conservative icon, maybe because they lack anything better I suppose.

I believe Reagan was a poor President even by the so called RIGHT’S standards [/quote]

At least you understand that its belief and not absolutely fact.
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Yes , it is what I believe , and I believe I have a very strong case. The defenders of Reagan want to get mired in all this disinformation his Public Relations DEPT. puts out , 22,000,000
Jobs that is fucking funny[/quote]

I’ve posted three different web sites which give evidence to my assertion that Reagan did in fact create 20 million jobs.

You can continue to play the part of punk boy and say what ever you like on the Internet, nothing new. But if you’d like to post evidence to the contrary I’d be glad to read it. Otherwise, you should consider the fact that you have an emotional dislike to Reagan (and most republicans) accept it and know that it doesn’t not meet with the facts.

Your next post should have very solid evidence that Reagan did not create 20 million new jobs during his Presidency, or you should not post.

Which is it going to be?
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Zeb there is an old saying goes something like don’t believe anything you hear and half of what you read . If you look you can find anything you want on the internet . Reagan might have created 20,000,000 jobs in other countries but not in America. Where are all these jobs ?

I told you I would read your articles when you told me the upside to the devastation Reagan
created in the old steel towns . You want me to believe because the retail had a small boost from cheap goods that it equaled the horrendous calamity that his anti union policies had.

You define Reagan’s success all on borrowed money as being some how brilliant, His borrowing from the future may not even be bested by Obama considering inflation

Regan was a disaster

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
ZEB wrote:

Zeb there is an old saying goes something like don’t believe anything you hear and half of what you read . If you look you can find anything you want on the internet . Reagan might have created 20,000,000 jobs in other countries but not in America. Where are all these jobs ?[/quote]

In addition to being someone who refuses to look at the facts and go with your emotion you’re also proving yourself to be lazy. I posted evidence of the 20 million jobs, refute that evidence or shut up. You’ve gone from being funny to acting like an annoying child.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Where are these 20,000,000 jobs , that is approx. 50,000 a state .You avoid answering the question and insinuate any one that disagrees with you is out of touch or ignoring logic . I contend it is your defense so you do not have to answer the question[/quote]

Here you go, catch up on your history:

http://www.house.gov/jec/growth/prosper/prosper.htm

"For starters, let’s remember what things were like when Reagan took over. In 1980, inflation was running at 13.5 percent, the prime lending rate stood at 21.5 percent, unemployment and poverty were rising, real income and productivit were falling, and real economic growth had ceased.

Enter Reagan, who implemented deep, across-the-board tax cuts, curbed Washington’s regulatory bureaucracy, and instituted sound monetary policies tha restrained inflation. The results: the largest peacetime economic boom in U.S. history and nearly 20 million net new jobs."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4070/is_n97/ai_16320048/

“In 1984, the economy grew by 6.8% in real terms, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the next 7 years, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989. Even with the Reagan tax cuts, total federal revenues doubled from 1980 to 1990, growing from $517.1 billion to $1,031 billion, or just over $1 trillion. In Reagan’s last budget year, fiscal 1989, the widely overballyhooed federal deficit had declined to $152.5 billion, about the same as a percent of GDP as in 1980, 2.9% compared to 2.8%.”

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The middle class shrunk upwards , do you believe that shit , that is why I don’t read your links let me look at the second link. The middle class has disappeared and it hasn’t gone up.

You want me to believe an article titled rewriting the Reagan years , do you think everybody believes this shit.

Lets look at the 3rd OK that is the second article that said 20,000,000 jobs but no proof , do you expect me just to believe that 20,000. 000 jobs were created with out you saying where they were

Ok I read your articles tell me how you can justify the poverty Reagan created in the NOW RUST BELT. Look at that poverty and show me an equivalent of good that counters Reagans BAD

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

Where are these 20,000,000 jobs , that is approx. 50,000 a state .You avoid answering the question and insinuate any one that disagrees with you is out of touch or ignoring logic . I contend it is your defense so you do not have to answer the question[/quote]

Here you go, catch up on your history:

http://www.house.gov/jec/growth/prosper/prosper.htm

"For starters, let’s remember what things were like when Reagan took over. In 1980, inflation was running at 13.5 percent, the prime lending rate stood at 21.5 percent, unemployment and poverty were rising, real income and productivit were falling, and real economic growth had ceased.

Enter Reagan, who implemented deep, across-the-board tax cuts, curbed Washington’s regulatory bureaucracy, and instituted sound monetary policies tha restrained inflation. The results: the largest peacetime economic boom in U.S. history and nearly 20 million net new jobs."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4070/is_n97/ai_16320048/

“In 1984, the economy grew by 6.8% in real terms, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the next 7 years, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989. Even with the Reagan tax cuts, total federal revenues doubled from 1980 to 1990, growing from $517.1 billion to $1,031 billion, or just over $1 trillion. In Reagan’s last budget year, fiscal 1989, the widely overballyhooed federal deficit had declined to $152.5 billion, about the same as a percent of GDP as in 1980, 2.9% compared to 2.8%.”

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The middle class shrunk upwards , do you believe that shit , that is why I don’t read your links let me look at the second link. The middle class has disappeared and it hasn’t gone up.

You want me to believe an article titled rewriting the Reagan years , do you think everybody believes this shit.

Lets look at the 3rd OK that is the second article that said 20,000,000 jobs but no proof , do you expect me just to believe that 20,000. 000 jobs were created with out you saying where they were

Ok I read your articles tell me how you can justify the poverty Reagan created in the NOW RUST BELT. Look at that poverty and show me an equivalent of good that counters Reagans BAD[/quote]

LOL @ pittbull ignoring reality and drunk on his anti Reagan kool aid.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:ZEB wrote:

The middle class shrunk upwards , do you believe that shit , that is why I don’t read your links let me look at the second link. The middle class has disappeared and it hasn’t gone up.[/quote]

LOL, you refute facts with opinion- You are going back to being funny again.

Hate is a terrible thing, it will eat you up from inside.

All you have to do is look at unemployment statistics during the carter years. Then take a look at how many in the work force. Bring that out about 7 years and you have a rise of just under 20 million jobs. Reality is a hell of a thing to keep denying.

Reagan put 20 million more people to work, that is not creating poverty. At that time we were transforming from an industrialized economy to an information economy. That might be one reason that in one specific area of the country things may have been worse.

What happened did your father get laid off from one of the steel plants, and you vowed to bad mouth Reagan every chance you got after that? No wait, for you to have actually rememberd that you’d have to be at least 34 or 35 years old and we both know that you’re not out of your 20’s.

Okay enough for today, run along pit- You were funny today, so thanks.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:ZEB wrote:

The middle class shrunk upwards , do you believe that shit , that is why I don’t read your links let me look at the second link. The middle class has disappeared and it hasn’t gone up.[/quote]

LOL, you refute facts with opinion- You are going back to being funny again.

Hate is a terrible thing, it will eat you up from inside.

All you have to do is look at unemployment statistics during the carter years. Then take a look at how many in the work force. Bring that out about 7 years and you have a rise of just under 20 million jobs. Reality is a hell of a thing to keep denying.

Reagan put 20 million more people to work, that is not creating poverty. At that time we were transforming from an industrialized economy to an information economy. That might be one reason that in one specific area of the country things may have been worse.

What happened did your father get laid off from one of the steel plants, and you vowed to bad mouth Reagan every chance you got after that? No wait, for you to have actually rememberd that you’d have to be at least 34 or 35 years old and we both know that you’re not out of your 20’s.

Okay enough for today, run along pit- You were funny today, so thanks.
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No Zeb I was born in the late 50s lived my whole life in a steel town , my father died of Black lung from his days in a coal mine and the steel mills , my father lived his retirement with everything he needed.

I remember the 60s well . In my home town there was little poverty , everyone was pretty much middle class. Everyone in the steel towns made a livable wage . The Mills paid their employees well the employees spent their money at local businesses . Employment was so high , if you wanted to hire cheap labor you had to hire High School Students

In the last year of Carters admin America was in a recession , not as bad as the one today. If you are saying Reagan was responsible for all the jobs that came back after the recession then I understand you confusion.

Regan’s anti union policies devastated the Steel industry in America to the degree that no president will ever do more harm to America than Reagan did .He seriously increased to amount of people on welfare , he damaged America to the point of no repair in 30 years now , hopfully by 50 years we will have recovered

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3852782-article-on-why-ronald-reagan-sucks-ronald-reagans-good-rhetoric-bad-policies-and-vile-followers/

Out of curiosity how old were you in 1980 , I was 23

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[quote]John S. wrote:
Reagan was the last great president the GOP has had, and probably will have for a long long time.[/quote]

I really don’t understand how you can support someone like Ron Paul so wholeheartedly, and still idolize Reagan the way most Republicans do.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

No Zeb I was born in the late 50s lived my whole life in a steel town , my father died of Black lung from his days in a coal mine and the steel mills , my father lived his retirement with everything he needed.[/quote]

This explains your emotion regarding the steel towns drying up.

[quote] I remember the 60s well . In my home town there was little poverty , everyone was pretty much middle class. Everyone in the steel towns made a livable wage . The Mills paid their employees well the employees spent their money at local businesses . Employment was so high , if you wanted to hire cheap labor you had to hire High School Students

In the last year of Carters admin America was in a recession , not as bad as the one today. If you are saying Reagan was responsible for all the jobs that came back after the recession then I understand you confusion.

Regan’s anti union policies devastated the Steel industry in America to the degree that no president will ever do more harm to America than Reagan di.He seriously increased to amount of people on welfare , he damaged America to the point of no repair in 30 years now , hopfully by 50 years we will have recovered [/quote]

Sorry you had to go through such economic devastation. However, I doubt it was Reagan’s fault. As I said steel was on the way down when the Gipper took over. As for the Unions, they have indeed devastated America. I wish Reagan would have ripped the heart out of every union in America. We would have had a better country today.

-Pension
-Wages
-Benefits

I can’t think of a single positive thing that unions have done. And they are still on the rampage. They will be reaching with both hands out until we have nothing left.

Older than you-

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

No Zeb I was born in the late 50s lived my whole life in a steel town , my father died of Black lung from his days in a coal mine and the steel mills , my father lived his retirement with everything he needed.[/quote]

This explains your emotion regarding the steel towns drying up.

[quote] I remember the 60s well . In my home town there was little poverty , everyone was pretty much middle class. Everyone in the steel towns made a livable wage . The Mills paid their employees well the employees spent their money at local businesses . Employment was so high , if you wanted to hire cheap labor you had to hire High School Students

In the last year of Carters admin America was in a recession , not as bad as the one today. If you are saying Reagan was responsible for all the jobs that came back after the recession then I understand you confusion.

Regan’s anti union policies devastated the Steel industry in America to the degree that no president will ever do more harm to America than Reagan di.He seriously increased to amount of people on welfare , he damaged America to the point of no repair in 30 years now , hopfully by 50 years we will have recovered [/quote]

Sorry you had to go through such economic devastation. However, I doubt it was Reagan’s fault. As I said steel was on the way down when the Gipper took over. As for the Unions, they have indeed devastated America. I wish Reagan would have ripped the heart out of every union in America. We would have had a better country today.

-Pension
-Wages
-Benefits

I can’t think of a single positive thing that unions have done. And they are still on the rampage. They will be reaching with both hands out until we have nothing left.

Older than you-

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I personally did fine coming out of the Steel Valley, I actually did better than if I had stayed , my health is better , I am sure .

The Mills were doing great , It was clearly Reagan’s Anti Union Policies that were the demise of the steel industry.

Your feelings about Unions are stupid, We would have had no Auto workers GM, Ford , Chrysler would have all been out of business, Another half a MILLION high paying jobs would have been gone . And we could still be supporting those communities with welfare

I read you article and you failed to tell me the upside to Reagan’s catastrophic bungling of America’s future economy .

Where are those jobs ?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

No Zeb I was born in the late 50s lived my whole life in a steel town , my father died of Black lung from his days in a coal mine and the steel mills , my father lived his retirement with everything he needed.[/quote]

This explains your emotion regarding the steel towns drying up.

[quote] I remember the 60s well . In my home town there was little poverty , everyone was pretty much middle class. Everyone in the steel towns made a livable wage . The Mills paid their employees well the employees spent their money at local businesses . Employment was so high , if you wanted to hire cheap labor you had to hire High School Students

In the last year of Carters admin America was in a recession , not as bad as the one today. If you are saying Reagan was responsible for all the jobs that came back after the recession then I understand you confusion.

Regan’s anti union policies devastated the Steel industry in America to the degree that no president will ever do more harm to America than Reagan di.He seriously increased to amount of people on welfare , he damaged America to the point of no repair in 30 years now , hopfully by 50 years we will have recovered [/quote]

Sorry you had to go through such economic devastation. However, I doubt it was Reagan’s fault. As I said steel was on the way down when the Gipper took over. As for the Unions, they have indeed devastated America. I wish Reagan would have ripped the heart out of every union in America. We would have had a better country today.

-Pension
-Wages
-Benefits

I can’t think of a single positive thing that unions have done. And they are still on the rampage. They will be reaching with both hands out until we have nothing left.

Older than you-

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I personally did fine coming out of the Steel Valley, I actually did better than if I had stayed , my health is better , I am sure .

The Mills were doing great , It was clearly Reagan’s Anti Union Policies that were the demise of the steel industry.

Your feelings about Unions are stupid, We would have had no Auto workers GM, Ford , Chrysler would have all been out of business, Another half a MILLION high paying jobs would have been gone . And we could still be supporting those communities with welfare

I read you article and you failed to tell me the upside to Reagan’s catastrophic bungling of America’s future economy .

Where are those jobs ? [/quote]

LOL, It’s so true that people believe what they want to believe. Your entire family told you Reagan was the devil and he shall be the devil to you until the day you die. I get it, I get it.

Your comment about the unions shows your bias as well. If those same people would have accepted a normal wage maybe they’d still be employed, while I doubt it as nothing was going to save the steel business. But the unions did help kill it, just as they’ve helped kill just about everything that they’ve touched.

Did you do what I asked you regarding the jobs? Figure out how many people were employed on Jimmy Carters last day in office. Then advance 7 full years and you will see a gain of almost 20 million jobs. It’s actually simple to do, don’t make me show you. I would but I have a feeling that God himself could appear before you and tell you Reagan helped create 20 million private sector jobs and you would look at him arms folded and say “nuh uh.” So, let’s not waste anymore time going back and forth, I have other threads where I can waste my time and not change anyones mind.

Just do the math, or not, I don’t really care. Actually I care so little I’m not even sure why I post anymore. In fact, I’m not sure why anyone posts. Couldn’t we all spend our time more wisely, with friends, family taking up a productive hobby? I don’t know, it seems like such a waste.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
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http://www.infowars.com/8-4-million-jobs-lost-in-recession/

This article says we have lost 8.4 million jobs in this recession , So Reagan Created more jobs than we have lost .

I do not remember anyone working 2 jobs because of the surplus. If Regan had made that many jobs wages would have skyrocketed. because there would have been more jobs than workers to fill them .

You must have lived a sheltered life because he was one of the most loathed Presidents in my time . He did not share the status he has now , because a generation has passed since his blunders and people like you are sold on this STAR SPANGLED BONER called (CONSERVATISM)

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

You must have lived a sheltered life because he was one of the most loathed Presidents in my time [/quote]

At least according to your Aunt Betty, Uncle Joe and good old Mom. Tip O’Neil said it best (you like him right? Pro union give money to people who didn’t earn it kinda guy) all politics is local. Someone said Reagan hurt your people and that’s that. I get it, I get it.

Ha ha…ho hee ha ha ha…Gee I wonder why he beat Mondale by such a huge margin? In fact, it was one of the biggest electoral landslides in the history of Presidential politics. The only state that Mondale won was Minnesota. Reagan even took your beloved state of PA. All those steel workers ran out and voted for Ronald Reagan while you and your family were sitting home around the TV with your Mondale buttons on.

Your response: “Nuh Uh”

LOL facts mean nothing to you, this entire exchange is one of the funniest I’ve ever had on T Nation. “He did not have the status he has now” LOL Ho heha ha ha ha

Thanks man, you’re a riot!

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By the way the only reason Mondale won Minnesota was because that was his home state. Ha ha, Reagan would have taken that too if Mondale was not the Senator of that state.

WOW, what an unpopular guy…Ha

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I’ll side with Pitbull, the Reagan admin had it’s ups and downs… but he wasn’t canonized as the patron saint of conservatism till years, and millions of dollars in legacy building, later.

…various conservative think-tanks, and “legacy” groups have literally spend years, and millions of dollars, to re-define who and what Reagen was, turning him into the icon people falsely-remember him as today.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:
I’ll side with Pitbull, the Reagan admin had it’s ups and downs… but he wasn’t canonized as the patron saint of conservatism till years, and millions of dollars in legacy building, later.

…various conservative think-tanks, and “legacy” groups have literally spend years, and millions of dollars, to re-define who and what Reagen was, turning him into the icon people falsely-remember him as today.[/quote]

Then you can be wrong along with Pitbull. At the time Reagan was the heir to the great conservative movement which was begun by Barry Goldwater 20 or so years prior to Reagan’s election as President. All that was heard in the media was that Reagan was too conservative and that he was going to get us in a war with the former Soviet Union.

Many said, at the time, he was too conservative to win a general election. However, his mass popularity caused many democrats to defect. They were called “Blue Dog Democrats.” One reason Bush Sr. won in 92’ was that he was able to keep those democrats. Later we all saw that Bush Sr. was in fact NOT a real conservative, but that’s another story.

Reagan’s enormous popularity cut across party lines and caused him to be one of the most popular Presidents in the history of our country, even though Pitbull and his entire family hated him-

I’m certainly not saying that Reagan’s legacy has not been protected by conservatives, but it has also been very accurately represented. You only need to study a little political history (please don’t listen to your college Profs.) on your own to fully realize that not only was Reagan very conservative, incredibly popular, but also one of the best modern day Presidents that America has had. In fact, so popular that there was talk of putting his likeness on Mount Rushmore. They also wanted to put his likeness on certain coinage, which will eventually come to pass as soon as we sweep the filth from the White House.