Republican Presidents Destroyed the US Economy

Uh, no…this is abysmally inaccurate…It also helps to look at during presidency numbers, they tell a different story. If you want a president who had it under control, then you want Andrew Jackson.
This is the whole shootin’ match. These are the facts…

Look at '09 and '10…
Further,what ultimately determines public debt is spending, period.
The things that determine governement revenue is the state of the economy, not who pays the most income tax.
Further, there was no shift in in the economic strategy under Clinton, he raised everybody’s taxes and it was still supply-side economics.

The number one economic indicator is employment. Lowest unemployment are the highest periods of economic growth period, the rest are minutia that benefit very few people. If the DOW is high, the rich got richer. If the economy grows and unemployment stays high, guess who has that money? It ain’t the working man.

Keynesian economics just grew the bill, not the economy.

US Federal Debt As Percent Of GDP
Fiscal Years 1792 to 2010 Year GDP-US
$ billion Gross Public Debt -fed
pct GDP
1792 0.22 35.10 a
1793 0.25 32.14 a
1794 0.31 25.30 a
1795 0.38 21.25 a
1796 0.41 20.43 a
1797 0.41 20.01 a
1798 0.41 19.32 a
1799 0.44 17.82 a
1800 0.48 17.29 a
1801 0.51 16.28 a
1802 0.45 17.94 a
1803 0.48 16.05 a
1804 0.53 16.31 a
1805 0.56 14.70 a
1806 0.61 12.41 a
1807 0.58 11.93 a
1808 0.64 10.19 a
1809 0.68 8.39 a
1810 0.7 7.60 a
1811 0.76 6.32 a
1812 0.78 5.80 a
1813 0.96 5.83 a
1814 1.07 7.62 a
1815 0.92 10.85 a
1816 0.81 15.72 a
1817 0.76 16.25 a
1818 0.73 14.17 a
1819 0.72 13.27 a
1820 0.7 13.00 a
1821 0.73 12.33 a
1822 0.8 11.69 a
1823 0.75 12.12 a
1824 0.75 12.04 a
1825 0.81 10.34 a
1826 0.86 9.42 a
1827 0.91 8.13 a
1828 0.89 7.58 a
1829 0.92 6.35 a
1830 1.01 4.81 a
1831 1.04 3.76 a
1832 1.12 2.17 a
1833 1.15 0.61 a
1834 1.21 0.39 a
1835 1.33 0.00 a
1836 1.46 0.00 a
1837 1.54 0.02 a
1838 1.58 0.21 a
1839 1.65 0.63 a
1840 1.56 0.23 a
1841 1.64 0.32 a
1842 1.6 0.85 a
1843 1.55 2.11 a
1844 1.69 1.39 a
1845 1.84 0.87 a
1846 2.04 0.76 a
1847 2.39 1.62 a
1848 2.4 1.96 a
1849 2.4 2.63 a
1850 2.56 2.48 a
1851 2.7 2.53 a
1852 3.04 2.18 a
1853 3.28 1.82 a
1854 3.68 1.15 a
1855 3.94 0.90 a
1856 4.01 0.80 a
1857 4.14 0.69 a
1858 4.05 1.11 a
1859 4.38 1.34 a
1860 4.35 1.49 a
1861 4.6 1.97 a
1862 5.79 9.05 a
1863 7.62 14.70 a
1864 9.46 19.19 a
1865 9.88 27.13 a
1866 8.99 30.85 a
1867 8.34 32.11 a
1868 8.15 32.05 a
1869 7.85 32.97 a
1870 7.74 32.05 a
1871 7.59 31.00 a
1872 8.23 27.38 a
1873 8.75 25.54 a
1874 8.48 26.55 a
1875 8.16 27.36 a
1876 8.31 26.24 a
1877 8.52 25.88 a
1878 8.38 26.92 a
1879 9.36 25.10 a
1880 10.4 20.39 a
1881 11.6 17.84 a
1882 12.2 15.72 a
1883 12.3 15.32 a
1884 11.8 15.51 a
1885 11.6 16.07 a
1886 12.2 14.55 a
1887 13.1 12.65 a
1888 13.9 12.18 a
1889 13.9 11.65 a
1890 15.1 10.28 a
1891 15.4 10.04 a
1892 16.4 9.69 a
1893 15.4 10.04 a
1894 14.1 11.58 a
1895 15.6 10.74 a
1896 15.5 11.42 a
1897 16.2 11.22 a
1898 18.1 9.93 a
1899 19.5 10.22 a
1900 20.6 10.37 a
1901 22.3 9.61 a
1902 24.1 8.96 a
1903 25.9 8.50 a
1904 25.7 8.81 a
1905 28.8 7.90 a
1906 31 7.54 a
1907 33.9 7.25 a
1908 30.1 8.73 a
1909 32.2 8.20 a
1910 33.4 7.94 a
1911 34.3 8.06 a
1912 37.4 7.67 a
1913 39.1 7.46 a
1914 36.5 7.98 a
1915 38.7 7.90 a
1916 49.6 7.28 a
1917 59.7 9.58 a
1918 75.8 19.25 a
1919 78.3 34.98 a
1920 88.4 29.36 a
1921 73.6 32.58 a
1922 73.4 31.29 a
1923 85.4 26.17 a
1924 86.9 24.45 a
1925 90.6 22.64 a
1926 96.9 20.27 a
1927 95.5 19.38 a
1928 97.4 18.07 a
1929 103.6 16.34 a
1930 91.2 17.75 a
1931 76.5 21.96 a
1932 58.7 33.20 a
1933 56.4 39.96 a
1934 66 40.99 a
1935 73.3 39.16 a
1936 83.8 40.31 a
1937 91.9 39.64 a
1938 86.1 43.16 a
1939 92.2 43.86 a
1940 101.4 42.37 a
1941 126.7 38.64 a
1942 161.9 44.73 a
1943 198.6 68.83 a
1944 219.8 91.45 a
1945 223 116.00 a
1946 222.2 121.25 a
1947 244.1 105.81 a
1948 269.1 93.75 a
1949 267.2 94.60 a
1950 293.7 87.63 a
1951 339.3 75.22 a
1952 358.3 72.32 a
1953 379.3 70.15 a
1954 380.4 71.31 a
1955 414.7 66.16 a
1956 437.4 62.36 a
1957 461.1 58.67 a
1958 467.2 59.15 a
1959 506.6 56.20 a
1960 526.4 54.39 a
1961 544.8 53.04 a
1962 585.7 50.91 a
1963 617.8 49.51 a
1964 663.6 46.97 a
1965 719.1 44.12 a
1966 787.7 40.61 a
1967 832.4 39.19 a
1968 909.8 38.20 a
1969 984.4 35.93 a
1970 1038.3 35.72 a
1971 1126.8 35.33 a
1972 1237.9 34.51 a
1973 1382.3 33.14 a
1974 1499.5 31.68 a
1975 1637.7 32.56 a
1976 1824.6 34.00 a
1977 2030.1 34.42 a
1978 2293.8 33.64 a
1979 2562.2 32.26 a
1980 2788.1 32.56 a
1981 3126.8 31.91 a
1982 3253.2 35.10 a
1983 3534.6 38.96 a
1984 3930.9 40.00 a
1985 4217.5 43.23 a
1986 4460.1 47.65 a
1987 4736.4 49.62 a
1988 5100.4 51.02 a
1989 5482.1 52.12 a
1990 5800.5 55.74 a
1991 5992.1 61.17 a
1992 6342.3 64.09 a
1993 6667.4 66.17 a
1994 7085.2 66.23 a
1995 7414.7 67.08 a
1996 7838.5 66.66 a
1997 8332.4 64.97 a
1998 8793.5 62.84 a
1999 9353.5 60.47 a
2000 9951.5 57.02 a
2001 10286.2 56.46 a
2002 10642.3 58.52 a
2003 11142.1 60.88 a
2004 11867.8 62.18 a
2005 12638.4 62.77 a
2006 13398.9 63.49 a
2007 14077.6 63.99 a
2008 14441.4 69.15 a
2009 14258.2 83.29 a
2010 14623.9 94.27 b

Oh yeah, and just look at the nose dive the GDP took under FDR…1933 was less than 1917! Wow…

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]MikeyKBiatch wrote:
Norway? Wtf?[/quote]

There is always more to the story. 57.082902338% of statistics are made up on the spot, dontcha know?[/quote]

Isn’t that a picture of ABBA?[/quote]

I got no clue. Just a funny picture with a so-so caption.

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]MikeyKBiatch wrote:
Norway? Wtf?[/quote]

There is always more to the story. 57.082902338% of statistics are made up on the spot, dontcha know?[/quote]

Isn’t that a picture of ABBA?[/quote]

I got no clue. Just a funny picture with a so-so caption. [/quote]

My question was to be funny, since the only thing good to come out of Scandinavia is ABBA. If you do not like ABBA then I guess my statement would be that nothing good has ever come out of Scandinavia.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Reagan was so bad we should have called him the Anti president[/quote]

Yes, Reagan solidified the Republicans as the “Socially Conservative Party of Big Government”, and basically killed the national debate on what the appropriate size and scope of government ought to be, and replaced it with the debate about how our massive federal government should better regulate our lives.

Pat, where are your numbers from.

Thanks.

[quote]formerfatboy wrote:
We have a totalitarian/military industrial complex party and a socialist/big entitlement party that both like to spend.

Both Suck Donkey balls.

/Thread[/quote]

Im with this guy.

[quote]Spartiates wrote:
Pat, where are your numbers from.

Thanks.[/quote]

I got them from here.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Reagan was so bad we should have called him the Anti president[/quote]

For so many reasons he was truly the very best modern day President, no question!

Given that fiscal policy takes between 1 and 5 years to begin to take effect it is childish to try and ascribe ANY economic activity to the policies of any President. When combined with the fact that Congress has far more control over debt and spending levels you simple cannot reasonably make such a statement.

Of course this forum has little to do with reasonable.

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

Of course this forum has little to do with reasonable. [/quote]

Fortunately you can choose not to post anymore. See that? Problem Solved, and in a reasonable fashion.

[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Given that fiscal policy takes between 1 and 5 years to begin to take effect it is childish to try and ascribe ANY economic activity to the policies of any President. When combined with the fact that Congress has far more control over debt and spending levels you simple cannot reasonably make such a statement.

[/quote]

Thats is true, but it was Reagan who pushed for the tax cuts. We have to give credit where credit is due.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Reagan was so bad we should have called him the Anti president[/quote]

For so many reasons he was truly the very best modern day President, no question![/quote]

Decimating an entire , high paying industry, decimating hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs
Decimating the Federal taxes that those hundreds of thousands of high jobs paid. Creating hundreds of thousands of Welfare recipients , Decimating the tax base of thousands of cities and towns , and the tax base of several states.

With ZERO upside , if you care to discus this please be specific on the gains that counter balance the downside

Other wise I will have to contend Reagan was incompetent or a Treasonist.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Reagan was so bad we should have called him the Anti president[/quote]

For so many reasons he was truly the very best modern day President, no question![/quote]

Decimating an entire , high paying industry, decimating hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs
Decimating the Federal taxes that those hundreds of thousands of high jobs paid. Creating hundreds of thousands of Welfare recipients , Decimating the tax base of thousands of cities and towns , and the tax base of several states.

With ZERO upside , if you care to discus this please be specific on the gains that counter balance the downside

Other wise I will have to contend Reagan was incompetent or a Treasonist.

[/quote]

Reagan’s record of success:

Fought communism and broke the USSR ending a 40 year cold war.

Bombed Libya and drove back their terror driven state, BEFORE they were able to wreak havoc.

Invaded Grenada and rescued hundreds of students who were being held captive by Cuba’s military.

Cut taxes to their lowest point in modern history.

Created over 20 million jobs, in the private sector, not (Obama style)public sector jobs.

Restored respect world wide to the USA with many acts, not the least of which was returning the hostages that Iran took and held for 444 days under Jimmy Carter.

Low inflation, low unemployment.

He survived an assassination attempt in 1981 at the age of 70. When most men are happy to be alive and sitting in their rocking chair he came back stronger than ever, winning a second term in office with an electoral landslide victory over Walter Mondale. Mondale winning only one state! That’s how much Americans thought of Reagan after his first term.

Built the US military back up to super power status (peace through strength).

Most of all he restored confidence in the American people after the corrupt Nixon years, the lethargic Ford years and the failed Jimmy Carter Presidency.

He also did something about immigration. Signing in to law the “Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986” making it illegal to hire,or recruit illegal immigrants. What has your hero Obama done? NOTHING, in addition to that he even tries to stop individual states like Arizona from doing anything by suing them in court.

Reagan was truly a great President.

You are a known Reagan hater and make very little sense whenever you post regarding this mans legacy. Why don’t you do some research and try to separate your hate for a great President from the actual facts.

When you talk about Ronald Reagan do it with respect and reverence, he was truly our greatest modern day President! Or you can keep your ignorant comments to yourself, either is fine with me.

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Reagan was so bad we should have called him the Anti president[/quote]

For so many reasons he was truly the very best modern day President, no question![/quote]

Decimating an entire , high paying industry, decimating hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs
Decimating the Federal taxes that those hundreds of thousands of high jobs paid. Creating hundreds of thousands of Welfare recipients , Decimating the tax base of thousands of cities and towns , and the tax base of several states.

With ZERO upside , if you care to discus this please be specific on the gains that counter balance the downside

Other wise I will have to contend Reagan was incompetent or a Treasonist.

[/quote]

Reagan’s record of success:

Fought communism and broke the USSR ending a 40 year cold war.

Bombed Libya and drove back their terror driven state, BEFORE they were able to wreak havoc.

Invaded Grenada and rescued hundreds of students who were being held captive by Cuba’s military.

Cut taxes to their lowest point in modern history.

Created over 20 million jobs, in the private sector, not (Obama style)public sector jobs.

Restored respect world wide to the USA with many acts, not the least of which was returning the hostages that Iran took and held for 444 days under Jimmy Carter.

Low inflation, low unemployment.

He survived an assassination attempt in 1981 at the age of 70. When most men are happy to be alive and sitting in their rocking chair he came back stronger than ever, winning a second term in office with an electoral landslide victory over Walter Mondale. Mondale winning only one state! That’s how much Americans thought of Reagan after his first term.

Built the US military back up to super power status (peace through strength).

Most of all he restored confidence in the American people after the corrupt Nixon years, the lethargic Ford years and the failed Jimmy Carter Presidency.

He also did something about immigration. Signing in to law the “Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986” making it illegal to hire,or recruit illegal immigrants. What has your hero Obama done? NOTHING, in addition to that he even tries to stop individual states like Arizona from doing anything by suing them in court.

Reagan was truly a great President.

You are a known Reagan hater and make very little sense whenever you post regarding this mans legacy. Why don’t you do some research and try to separate your hate for a great President from the actual facts.

When you talk about Ronald Reagan do it with respect and reverence, he was truly our greatest modern day President! Or you can keep your ignorant comments to yourself, either is fine with me.

[/quote]

Russia fell because just like us they mired down in Afghanistan

I give him that , I like the way he handled Libya

His tax cuts along with the increased spending was the beginning of runaway deficits

He took away hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs and gave less in minimum wage jobs

I could go on but it bores me

I ask you , What did America get for the huge cost of the American Steel industry

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I ask you , What did America get for the huge cost of the American Steel industry
[/quote]

Cheaper steel from foreign nations?

I mean, are you saying Reagan single-handedly went Trump-like and ‘YOU’RE FIRED!’ everyone in America’s steel industry, or did they just go out of business because they couldn’t compete in an international market?

[quote]Otep wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I ask you , What did America get for the huge cost of the American Steel industry
[/quote]

Cheaper steel from foreign nations?

I mean, are you saying Reagan single-handedly went Trump-like and ‘YOU’RE FIRED!’ everyone in America’s steel industry, or did they just go out of business because they couldn’t compete in an international market?[/quote]

Show me the proof we that we get cheaper steel , Yes Reagan busted many Unions , He signed the bill that allowed foreign steel to be dumped in America .

If we got cheaper steel show me a graph ,a Government study , some one that documented this huge benefit to America . I can show you the huge down side SPECIFICALLY

I love the graph on this article

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I love the graph on this article

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/3/28/851844/-Mother-Jones-on-the-$50,-Reagan-on-the-National-Debt[/quote]

Wow. After looking at that graph, I can only imagine how powerful and influential Carter was as a president.

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Reagan was so bad we should have called him the Anti president[/quote]

For so many reasons he was truly the very best modern day President, no question![/quote]

Decimating an entire , high paying industry, decimating hundreds of thousands of high paying jobs
Decimating the Federal taxes that those hundreds of thousands of high jobs paid. Creating hundreds of thousands of Welfare recipients , Decimating the tax base of thousands of cities and towns , and the tax base of several states.

With ZERO upside , if you care to discus this please be specific on the gains that counter balance the downside

Other wise I will have to contend Reagan was incompetent or a Treasonist.

[/quote]

Reagan’s record of success:

Fought communism and broke the USSR ending a 40 year cold war.

Bombed Libya and drove back their terror driven state, BEFORE they were able to wreak havoc.

Invaded Grenada and rescued hundreds of students who were being held captive by Cuba’s military.

Cut taxes to their lowest point in modern history.

Created over 20 million jobs, in the private sector, not (Obama style)public sector jobs.

Restored respect world wide to the USA with many acts, not the least of which was returning the hostages that Iran took and held for 444 days under Jimmy Carter.

Low inflation, low unemployment.

He survived an assassination attempt in 1981 at the age of 70. When most men are happy to be alive and sitting in their rocking chair he came back stronger than ever, winning a second term in office with an electoral landslide victory over Walter Mondale. Mondale winning only one state! That’s how much Americans thought of Reagan after his first term.

Built the US military back up to super power status (peace through strength).

Most of all he restored confidence in the American people after the corrupt Nixon years, the lethargic Ford years and the failed Jimmy Carter Presidency.

He also did something about immigration. Signing in to law the “Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986” making it illegal to hire,or recruit illegal immigrants. What has your hero Obama done? NOTHING, in addition to that he even tries to stop individual states like Arizona from doing anything by suing them in court.

Reagan was truly a great President.

You are a known Reagan hater and make very little sense whenever you post regarding this mans legacy. Why don’t you do some research and try to separate your hate for a great President from the actual facts.

When you talk about Ronald Reagan do it with respect and reverence, he was truly our greatest modern day President! Or you can keep your ignorant comments to yourself, either is fine with me.

[/quote]

Russia fell because just like us they mired down in Afghanistan[/quote]

The Soviet Union fell because they tried to keep up with the US in our arms build up. Reagan was well aware of their economic frailty. Reagan was well aware that they could not sustain their war in Afghanistan and also an arms build up.

Exactly, glad you got one right. This was a terrorist state which would have become a global menace had it not been for President Reagan.

Because the democrats refused to pass his budget as it was given them. His grand plan was to cut massive amounts of government spending, ending entire agenciess, but politics being what it is he did not get all of what he wanted.

You’re not even making sense with this one (as if all your other empty accusations made sense). He grew the economy by over 20 million jobs. The nation loved him and as I stated previously gave him an electoral landslide victory in his 1984 reelection.

I agree you can continue to type nonsense, but apparently you’re bored.

Your hate for Ronald Reagan is based on nothing more than liberal media propaganda which you obviously swallow without even thinking.

No more of your random attacks on Ronald Reagan. They’re baseless and only make you look like a punk kid who not only didn’t live through this period of history, but refuses to learn about it as well.