I just graduated from a school that operates like this. The code of conduct that we signed at the beginning of each school year had this nice little clause that basically allowed the administration to adjust the rules and consequences whenever they wanted.
The code of conduct that signed was probably one of the most vague things they will ever see in their lives. It truly is a power trip. I would have refused to leave the stage.
Wow I cannot beleive you have the audacity to post something like this! How about you bust your butt for four years and the day your goal is reached you blow a kiss to your mom, take a bow and gesture to your friends and then we say “sorry you shouldn’t have done that, we are not giving you the certificate of achievement for being happy.”
I bet you are the same plug that if the government said We are taking away your rights you would thank the government for letting you breath their air. HE BLEW A KISS, there are kids who have done worse things in high school and have gotten their diploma. He wasn’t being a douchebag, he was being happy. This school should apologize and give him his diploma before they file a lawsuit. I can’t believe that anyone would actually feel the way you do if this happened to themselves, a friend or a family member.
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Oh, believe I posted it. And believe you ignore the fact that most of of the student didn’t do what this kid did. Oh the poor victim, he broke the rules and got in trouble. He was just happy.
Hes gonna graduate, hell get his diploma, his 15 minutes of fame and life will go on. This doesn`t matter.
To make a leap that the government owns the air is clearly the oratory move of a plug my friend.
EVERYONE there busted the butt for 4 years and didn`t feel the need to violate the code of conduct they signed. I’m sure they were happy too.
The school will apologize because that’s what happens with things like this. People talk about personal responsibility but get pissed when the school does anything to hold people accountable.
It’s pretty weak but par for the course these days.
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[quote]catalyst wrote:
No, that doesn’t work either, because you would know WAY in advance that you’re competing in a drug free show - AND it doesn’t apply because he’s already EARNED the diploma based on the requirements set before and during the time spent in school. [/quote]
Well at least you admit the gruting at a powerlifting event didn’t work.
He’ll get his diploma. He will graduate. He just didn’t get it on stage like all the people who didn’t break the code of conduct. It will probably be mailed to him or there will be a photo-op with some school trustee and a lot of press.
It’s a school scantioned event and subject to whatever rules the administration decide.
[quote]Look, I get that they signed something and are now being held accountable for it, but the DOUCHE BAGGERY began when they:
It started when he signed something he didn’t understand or intend to follow.
[quote]nik133 wrote:
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Too bad that one didn’t stay up.
[quote]PatMac wrote:
It started when he signed something he didn’t understand or intend to follow.[/quote]
How much advanced notice was he given to go over the “contract” as it was written?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WTF
This is HIGH SCHOOL. Was he even 18?..because if not, any contract signed is irrelevant.
There is a very large difference between breaking rules of conduct and superiors abusing power. This sounds more like the latter and I am betting that if the valedictorian did the exact same thing they would not have been held back for it seeing as they often give a speech.
If his actions delayed another student from getting his diploma then I could see the response that he got.
Not all rules made deserve to be followed simply because some jackass in a suit made them. This is a school, not government policy that we all voted on as a democratic society.[/quote]
That’s the thing, it’s a school and it deals with minors. His mom signed the code too. In the article he states that he’s not sure he broke the code. He isn’t sure that he didn’t. If he did, the actions where appropriate.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
PatMac wrote:
It started when he signed something he didn’t understand or intend to follow.
How much advanced notice was he given to go over the “contract” as it was written?
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I wasn’t there, I have no idea. His mom signed it too.
[quote]PatMac wrote:
That’s the thing, it’s a school and it deals with minors. His mom signed the code too. In the article he states that he’s not sure he broke the code. He isn’t sure that he didn’t. If he did, the actions where appropriate.
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Right, they are minors, not adults. Minors don’t sit together in groups of hundreds at a time and act like trained soldiers standing at attention. It sounds like the administrators lost control a long time ago and chose this one exhibition to enforce what little power they did have at the expense of an event that most people remember for the rest of their lives.
If you truly see that as fair or appropriate, you make me question your sanity and judgment.
If his actions were DISRUPTIVE to the event, that is one thing…but if blowing a kiss and taking a bow now constitutes misconduct when the event in question is supposed to be recognition of significant accomplishment at a high school level, then something is very fucking wrong.
The principal overreacted.
He will receive his diploma, they have to give it to him, but they can hold it just to be assholes.
When my little brother graduated the school sent home notices that if anyone disrupted graduation then the school would withhold the diploma for the maximum amount of time they were legally able to. I think it was a couple of months, but I can’t really remember.
Another class of 09er that nobody likes…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Right, they are minors, not adults. Minors don’t sit together in groups of hundreds at a time and act like trained soldiers standing at attention. It sounds like the administrators lost control a long time ago and chose this one exhibition to enforce what little power they did have at the expense of an event that most people remember for the rest of their lives.[/quote]
This may be the case, but I wasn’t there, I haven’t seen any video of the entire affair and I don’t know any of the parties involved. I, like everyone who sees things differently, am going on the reports of the people who were there. I’m drawing a different conclusion than many. I tend to support teachers and school officials because teenagers can act like teenagers. I dont hold their behaviour against them, but I dont rely on them for their insite or life experiences. This kid is admitting to what he did, he just doesnt think its a big deal.
Well, I will consider my sanity and judgment questioned.
I wasn’t there so I can’t speak to just how disruptive his actions were. But at least you’re admitting that there is a time and a place for the school to keep order.
[quote]That One Guy wrote:
Another class of 09er that nobody likes…[/quote]
Who, the kid who acted up at the graduation? It seems like most people are on his side.
I think he is talking about you 
[quote]nik133 wrote:
I think he is talking about you :)[/quote]
Very nice! You really should be impressed with your abilities to engage others in diplomatic discussions.
You have no idea about my background or just how offensive that is. I can handle having by sanity questions, I can handle being called plug but to imply that I am Hitler-like is weak.
Lets make some jokes about the slaughter of millions of people because it’s really funny. Good work nik133 you should be proud of the good use you are making of that brain of yours.
Perhaps it needs to be understood what misconduct is. If anyone in their right mind thinks this could even be closely associated with misconduct needs to shoot themselves, unreal.
In my HS, a kid purposely tripped up the steps during our rehearsal. He was taken aside and told if it happened again, he would not walk. Big difference between that and what the kid in the article did.
[quote]PatMac wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
PatMac wrote:
It started when he signed something he didn’t understand or intend to follow.
How much advanced notice was he given to go over the “contract” as it was written?
I wasn’t there, I have no idea. His mom signed it too. [/quote]
Then how can you be so sure your position isn’t completely out-of-line?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Then how can you be so sure your position isn’t completely out-of-line?[/quote]
Based on the information in the article I believe that he signed a code of conduct and that the school offical made the determination that he violated it. I drew my conclusion based on the evidence that was provided.
The kid himself isn’t certain he adhered to it.
PatMac, that’s like saying if I go 46 in a 45 I’m going to get a ticket. Rules are meant to be guidelines. There are exceptions, and there are certain times people abuse their power. Take for example I got pulled over going 75 in a 45. I didn’t get a ticket, the cop gave me a warning. I got pulled over for an expired state inspection sticker, I got driving school. The former was an exception, the latter was an obvious overuse of power. My friend is a lawyer so we got it back on the docket, which then another judge waved my punishment. He was going to make me go to school to learn how to drive better, when all I did was forget my expiration sticker. The punishment doesn’t fit the crime.
[quote]PatMac wrote:
nik133 wrote:
I think he is talking about you
Very nice! You really should be impressed with your abilities to engage others in diplomatic discussions.
You have no idea about my background or just how offensive that is. I can handle having by sanity questions, I can handle being called plug but to imply that I am Hitler-like is weak.
Lets make some jokes about the slaughter of millions of people because it’s really funny. Good work nik133 you should be proud of the good use you are making of that brain of yours.[/quote]
Oh please. You would think someone would get the clue, when there’s not a SINGLE person on their side.