Dave,
I agree, that’s why I stated, “that’s what ‘some’ in here are trying to tell our drug taking friend”.
I think the important question that this raises is: what’s the difference between AAS and other illegal drugs?
Because, as it stands right now, I’d rather go on a coke binge twice a year than a couple of “cycles” of ASS–I mean AAS–per year.
I try to go on as many cycles of ASS as possible. Sometimes I stack and cycle my ASS.
My rationale is that AAS have long term effects on your body in ways that I’m not completely certain of. Cocaine is in and out of your body within a matter of days, whereas the effects of AAS are longer-term.
Just a note for smart-asses: I haven’t done either Cocaine or any AAS. But I have done my fair share of ASS.
Dan “Ass-Master” McVicker
Oh sure, “you can die from doing coke ONE time!” the same way you can die from doing ephedrine one time.
Also, a guy will run out of money WAY before he is going to OD snorting coke.
I am not a fan of cocaine, I know a few people who have messed up their lives because of it. However a guy who uses it rarely is not going to have his life ruined. The problem is that coke is so seductive, that practically nobody can do it “rarely” for very long.
I’ve heard that some competitve bodybuilders have used coke as a training aid when they were pre-contest and on low carbs. Of course that was back in the 80s and a lot of people were being stupid with coke back then.
Be careful, coke is very addictive.
I agree with Big Dave.
This thread is funny…I mean laughable type funny. Some reality would be cool.
Twice a year is NOT a serious drug problem. DUH!
I do have what some people would consider a high horse to get on, he’s just over 16 hands or so but I don’t use my elevated position in the saddle to talk down to people. That’s just the way I was raised I guess.
Twice a year using coke will cause no more damage than the proverbial cheat meal. Body building, powerlifting, etc. are healthful (generally, unless you count joint and ligament wear and tear) persuits but I’m unaware of a code of celibacy, abstinance from chemicals, or any other monastic type behavior required to engage in them. Maybe I’m out of the loop, I’ve only been doing this stuff since 1975. The memo could have gone to an older address.
I guess being around a few more years and seeing a few more things gives me a less fanatical and rabid view of things compared to when I was 20 or so. Maybe I’m too old and tired to get so excited over another guy’s choice of fun…but I doubt it. Even though I used coke in the 80s a few dozen times, I’ve smoked dope on and off since the late 70’s my time in the gym and taking care of myself otherwise keeps me physically capable of wearing out most average 20 somethings so it isn’t fatigue. Maturity maybe?
I recommend sleep. If you can’t sleep smoke some dope. More booze will give you a more uncomfortable wake up and it’s tougher on you anyway. Keep that in mind 6 months or a year from now since I’m sure your problem has cleared up by now.
i really dont give a shit what “jay” puts up his nose. if he wants to snort rails day and night i could give a shit. unfortunately illegal drug use doesnt just effect the user, that is the problem that i have with hard drugs such as coke, crack, meth, heroin. the effects that the drug trade has on all of society is the issue to me.
have you ever heard some idiot utter the words “drug use is a victimless crime?” really? well tell that to the dead kids who were caught in a drive by shooting on the neighborhood dope dealer. or the thousands upon thousands of crack whores in the streets. how about all of the robberies/home invasions committed by drug users to support their habits? how about the good cop who gets smoked by some asshole trying to escape because if he got caught with the ounce in his trunk hes going down for his third strike? im not going to even get into the effects that addictive drugs have on the user.
if all of these things didnt occur then i wouldnt care about someone using drugs. if you want to damage your own body that is your choice. unfortunately there is a lot more to it than the joker that is getting stoned.
And yes you can die from snorting coke one time. Let me list the ways: Heart attack, Ischemic stroke, Aortic Tear, hemragic stroke…
have you ever heard some idiot utter the words “drug use is a victimless crime?” really? well tell that to the dead kids who were caught in a drive by shooting on the neighborhood dope dealer. or the thousands upon thousands of crack whores in the streets. how about all of the robberies/home invasions committed by drug users to support their habits? how about the good cop who gets smoked by some asshole trying to escape because if he got caught with the ounce in his trunk hes going down for his third strike? im not going to even get into the effects that addictive drugs have on the user.
Ever hear of the St. Valentines day massacre? Al Capone, Machine Gun Kelly, Joe Kennedy? When was the last time there was a drive by shooting over rum? The answer is right before Prohibition was repealed. The activities you mention are not the result of drug use or production but of the fact you can only get them on the “black market”.
We still have alcoholics but they get treatment instead of long prision sentences. People still sell booze but they don’t fight or kill over it.
If drugs were sold either in the pharmacy or liquor store with the same restrictions as alcohol we’d have a huge new problem. finding jobs for all the people we’d rather lock away at a cost to the taxpayers of $25K a year each.
Dan “AM” McV: There you go, cracking me up again.
I fully agree with all who said so - there is often way too judgmental a tone on this forum.
Jay: I’m not sure what your intention is in posting about hookers and cocaine, but you sure do liven things up around here. Keep up the good work. 
steelyeyes your right, but the fact is drugs are illegal. that is a whole different argument.
All junkies start out with “recreational use.” A few of my friends ended up in rehab or prison because of drugs. To name a few:
Recently a friend from work was caught taking money from the register, and when confronted by my boss and the police, admitted to stealing thousands of dollars to buy heroin.
Another friend was found unconscious in his car after he drove into a brick wall. He had a needle in his arm when they found him. He’s in jail.
Last week, my 81 year old great aunt was getting into her car at the grocery store she’s been shopping at since she was a kid. A guy came out of nowhere and punched her in the face, knocking her out so he could take her purse to buy drugs. She had 50 bucks in her wallet.
If you have the willpower to use drugs on a recreational basis, I’m not going to argue with you, but you’re in the minority.
MD: I’m thinking about legally changing my middle name to “Ass-Master” now. Right now my middle name is actually “Daniel,” so I’ll have to get rid of my first name.
Steeley-Eyes: I’m with you, I think that drugs should be decriminalized. The war on drugs has been a massive failure in every way.
(Some) People just want to get fucked up! That’s the way of the world. And either we can make sure that people do it safely and (relatively) ethically, or we can pass increasingly draconian laws that imprison people for doing/dealing drugs. Since people won’t stop doing drugs, no matter what laws they pass, it makes more sense to make sure that drug users can do it as safely and ethically as possible–which means treatment and support.
Plus, I just want to see the day when I can go down to 7-11 and buy a pack of Marlboro “Extra-Greens”. Because that would crack me up.
Though you do get a pretty funny counter-example if you replace “drugs” with “murder” everywhere in this post.
But of course, the difference is that you don’t hurt anyone else when you do drugs–unless drugs are illegal.
Dan “drugs don’t kill people, murder kills people” McVicker
I know more people that quit using coke because it was too expensive than any that had an addiction problem. Maybe all those people are in the minority too. It’s hard to keep statistics on people that don’t get arrested, don’t get addicted, and aren’t likely to advertise that they do something that’s illegal.
My social ramblings over the years have covered a lot of ground. People I know that used reacreational drugs without becoming addicted or otherwise had any trouble with them include, a guy that started several companies and is worth about $100 million, three medical doctors, a guy that now works on experimental deep sea submergence vehicles, a guy that works on laser and radiation safety for a major government agency, several engineers, people that own successful companies (4), and lots of regular blue collar folks.
I don’t think I’m in the minority. I could be wrong though.
Dan “soon to be known legally as Ass-Master” McVicker: I think Ass-Master is a marvelous moniker.
Tell me, are you a past master ass master?
Steely - guess they couldn’t get good shit 
Seriously though, that is exactly what all of my junkie friends have told me at one point or another. I can easily rattle off 20 people I grew up with who ended up in rehab, jail, or in the ground.
how can you compare intelligent, educated people doing some coke, to people on the streets smoking crack or shooting heroin?
knowing a few poeople that were able to control their addiction doesnt mean the rest of the world can.
legal or not you still need money to buy it. if you are broke and living in the ghetto and also addicted to crack you do whatver it takes to get it. what does being sold in a store cahnge?
Dan, even if they would legalize drugs and sell the junk at your local 7-11, wouldn’t the addiction still be the main problem, the addict always wants more and they’ll find a way to break into that damn 7-11 or someones house to keep up with the price on the product when they’re broke.
Yes there may be people who do it twice a year, this persons year is probably 2 weeks long, but thinking in majority the addict isn’t a twice a year user, they’re more like twice a hour and thats not cheap to keep up with on a minimum wage salary.
It’s pretty simple. Using the theory that drugs are chemically addictive and we have no control over that these successful and intelligent people (that arguably make good choices and have some semblance of control over themselves) should be right in the gutter with the crack whores…but they aren’t. Most of the reasoning behind them being illegal is that drugs in and of themselves are so evil that people are incapable of resisting them unless John Law is there to toss you in jail. The facts are the majority of people have a pretty good handle on living and can moderate behaviors, even potentially dangerous ones.
Two of the engineers are a married couple and they used to freebase the stuff, pretty much the same as doing crack only really expensive. They got just as high as any crackhead but they were just doing it to get high, not to run from life. It cost too much and they quit. Just like that.
It is comparing apples and oranges in a way. People that make poor choices or have don’t have good impulse control are victims of something waiting to happen. Some of them use drugs, some drink, some do other things. Keeping drugs illegal won’t help these people change anything, it just adds one more level of difficulty to their life.
Legalizing it isn’t going to cure these people of anything. It will keep them out of jail. It will make violence between dealers go away. Drug are a problem but the way we deal with it is causing more of a problem than the drugs ever did.
Sure there are addicts in the streets where everyone can see them. They are a fraction of people that use the illegal drugs. The rest of the people are living in the burbs or in high rises downtown. They are going to jobs, raising families, and maybe smoking some dope or doing a few lines on the odd weekend at a party. There are no more or less drunks now that booze is legal than when it was illegal. Drug laws are similarly ineffective at addressing the problems with drug use.
I have no problem with responsible drug use…the only problem is that for many people like the pringles jingle ‘once you pop, you can’t stop’
Anyways, i’m all for decriminalizing drugs. The massive amounts of money wasted on the ‘war on drugs’ is ridiculous.
And I know see that I was able to in no way, shape or form respond to the original question posed. Gotta love hijacks!
MP
The markup is rediculous because of the costs of smuggling and many other factors due to legal issues. Plus, laced drugs cause many more deaths thatn would other drugs. Plus, making them illegal makes them stronger due to the need to make them compact and hide them from the popo. And, if drugs were legal and sold by controlleged agencies, they could be taxed to holy hell, still be less than street prices, and the money could be used towards education and prevention.