[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Our country is doomed to fall into the proven failure of socialism/communism/collectivism… When my children are slaves of the state, you’ll be able to say “I told you so”.
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Not so fast my friend. I’ve seen many an election cycle and people are quite fickle. We are only one good (emphasis on good) republican away from turning this mess around.
Stay positive.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see taking someone’s money who earned it and deserves it and handing it over to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it is immoral.
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Yeah… I’ve never seen a good explanation of this…
Why is it moral to use the threat of violence (men with guns, prison) to take what one person earns? What is moral about that?
Is a bank robber moral? How about a home invader? The mafia crew that forces your participation in their neighborhood “protection” program?
Why is it when government does these things they are moral?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see taking someone’s money who earned it and deserves it and handing it over to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it is immoral.
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Yeah… I’ve never seen a good explanation of this…
Why is it moral to use the threat of violence (men with guns, prison) to take what one person earns? What is moral about that?
Is a bank robber moral? How about a home invader? The mafia crew that forces your participation in their neighborhood “protection” program?
Why is it when government does these things they are moral?
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You’re not factoring in what socialists/collectivists view of private property. They do not believe in it - everything belongs to everyone. In that sense, if I have more of what belongs to everyone than you, then it’s not fair since you have just as much right to it as I do. Therefore, if I have more than you, that’s immoral (in a socialists/collectivists view).
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see taking someone’s money who earned it and deserves it and handing it over to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it is immoral.
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Yeah… I’ve never seen a good explanation of this…
Why is it moral to use the threat of violence (men with guns, prison) to take what one person earns? What is moral about that?
Is a bank robber moral? How about a home invader? The mafia crew that forces your participation in their neighborhood “protection” program?
Why is it when government does these things they are moral?
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It seems that the left has been harping on this for so very long that it has created for us a set of legs that keep moving, albeit in the wrong direction.
We need a powerful mouthpiece from the bully pulpit that pinpoints exactly why taxation if carried to such an epic proportion is in fact immoral.
Ronald Reagan said best “The problem is not that we tax too little. The real problem is that we spend too much!”
[I’m still trying to figure out why democrats think they can create a better economy by taking money out of the hands of people who are able to either create new business, or willing to spend money which in turn creates more jobs and grows the economy. How does building a larger government create more jobs in the private sector? Can anyone explain this to me? I bet not]
Now of course we have another problem. After 6 1/2 years of Obama and some bad decisions by prior Presidents we have about as many people riding on the wagon as we do pulling it.
The new republican President is going to have to be very unpopular for a while and pull the plug on many of these giveaway programs. This will mean taking a great deal of heat from the main stream liberal media and of course democrats who will scream bloody murder and say that the republicans hate children and want to kill poor people (yawn–same old same old) but it can be done!
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see taking someone’s money who earned it and deserves it and handing it over to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it is immoral.
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Yeah… I’ve never seen a good explanation of this…
Why is it moral to use the threat of violence (men with guns, prison) to take what one person earns? What is moral about that?
Is a bank robber moral? How about a home invader? The mafia crew that forces your participation in their neighborhood “protection” program?
Why is it when government does these things they are moral?
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You’re not factoring in what socialists/collectivists view of private property. They do not believe in it - everything belongs to everyone. In that sense, if I have more of what belongs to everyone than you, then it’s not fair since you have just as much right to it as I do. Therefore, if I have more than you, that’s immoral (in a socialists/collectivists view).[/quote]
Well, that’s the most ass backwards line of thought that I’ve ever heard. When Obama said “you didn’t build that” I wanted to take a bite out of my TV screen.
Where were Obama and his liberal friends when I was working 10-12 hours per day 6 days a week building my first successful business?
Yeah, I get it, we drive on public highways etc. But in reality I pay far, far more in taxes than most so I have contributed more to those public highways.
Obama and his cronies have spewed some serious poison into the minds of many, especially the young and impressionable who feel that this country…or someone…owes them something.
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see taking someone’s money who earned it and deserves it and handing it over to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it is immoral.
[/quote]
Yeah… I’ve never seen a good explanation of this…
Why is it moral to use the threat of violence (men with guns, prison) to take what one person earns? What is moral about that?
Is a bank robber moral? How about a home invader? The mafia crew that forces your participation in their neighborhood “protection” program?
Why is it when government does these things they are moral?
[/quote]
You’re not factoring in what socialists/collectivists view of private property. They do not believe in it - everything belongs to everyone. In that sense, if I have more of what belongs to everyone than you, then it’s not fair since you have just as much right to it as I do. Therefore, if I have more than you, that’s immoral (in a socialists/collectivists view).[/quote]
You’re right. Which is the frustrating part.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see taking someone’s money who earned it and deserves it and handing it over to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it is immoral.
[/quote]
Yeah… I’ve never seen a good explanation of this…
Why is it moral to use the threat of violence (men with guns, prison) to take what one person earns? What is moral about that?
Is a bank robber moral? How about a home invader? The mafia crew that forces your participation in their neighborhood “protection” program?
Why is it when government does these things they are moral?
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You’re not factoring in what socialists/collectivists view of private property. They do not believe in it - everything belongs to everyone. In that sense, if I have more of what belongs to everyone than you, then it’s not fair since you have just as much right to it as I do. Therefore, if I have more than you, that’s immoral (in a socialists/collectivists view).[/quote]
You’re right. Which is the frustrating part. [/quote]
I always frame it this way whenever I’m talking about this sort of thing with someone I know doesn’t make that connection. They say things like “Socialism (or whatever iteration of collectivism they so choose) looks good on paper…” … to which I point out they do not believe in private property and take them down that road. They’re usually like, huh, I never thought of it like that…smh
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see taking someone’s money who earned it and deserves it and handing it over to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it is immoral.
[/quote]
Yeah… I’ve never seen a good explanation of this…
Why is it moral to use the threat of violence (men with guns, prison) to take what one person earns? What is moral about that?
Is a bank robber moral? How about a home invader? The mafia crew that forces your participation in their neighborhood “protection” program?
Why is it when government does these things they are moral?
[/quote]
You’re not factoring in what socialists/collectivists view of private property. They do not believe in it - everything belongs to everyone. In that sense, if I have more of what belongs to everyone than you, then it’s not fair since you have just as much right to it as I do. Therefore, if I have more than you, that’s immoral (in a socialists/collectivists view).[/quote]
Well, that’s the most ass backwards line of thought that I’ve ever heard. When Obama said “you didn’t build that” I wanted to take a bite out of my TV screen.
Where were Obama and his liberal friends when I was working 10-12 hours per day 6 days a week building my first successful business?
Yeah, I get it, we drive on public highways etc. But in reality I pay far, far more in taxes than most so I have contributed more to those public highways.
Obama and his cronies have spewed some serious poison into the minds of many, especially the young and impressionable who feel that this country…or someone…owes them something.
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They tend to spew only the rosie side of the story, never the deterioration of personal choice and liberty
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]polo77j wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
You see taking someone’s money who earned it and deserves it and handing it over to someone who did not earn it and does not deserve it is immoral.
[/quote]
Yeah… I’ve never seen a good explanation of this…
Why is it moral to use the threat of violence (men with guns, prison) to take what one person earns? What is moral about that?
Is a bank robber moral? How about a home invader? The mafia crew that forces your participation in their neighborhood “protection” program?
Why is it when government does these things they are moral?
[/quote]
You’re not factoring in what socialists/collectivists view of private property. They do not believe in it - everything belongs to everyone. In that sense, if I have more of what belongs to everyone than you, then it’s not fair since you have just as much right to it as I do. Therefore, if I have more than you, that’s immoral (in a socialists/collectivists view).[/quote]
Well, that’s the most ass backwards line of thought that I’ve ever heard. When Obama said “you didn’t build that” I wanted to take a bite out of my TV screen.
Where were Obama and his liberal friends when I was working 10-12 hours per day 6 days a week building my first successful business?
Yeah, I get it, we drive on public highways etc. But in reality I pay far, far more in taxes than most so I have contributed more to those public highways.
Obama and his cronies have spewed some serious poison into the minds of many, especially the young and impressionable who feel that this country…or someone…owes them something.
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They tend to spew only the rosie side of the story, never the deterioration of personal choice and liberty[/quote]
You are exactly right. They don’t understand that with every freebie they receive from big government they lose a little more freedom.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
jnd,
Here are a few more polls for you to look at. Again the point of posting both older and new polls is to show that she continues to take a downward slide. Just when you think she can’t go any lower regarding her negatives BANG she takes another slide downward. And her handlers know that so they keep her out of the public eye all they can. But what happens when people are seeing her and hearing her on a regular basis in 2016? OUCH!
Keep in mind she has no where to go but down. People already know her and have for the past 23 years or so. What does she have left to show them? NADA! As opposed to a fresh new republican face.
Think about it…
She was so lovable back in 08’ that her own party threw her to the curb for practically a freshman Senator–LOL.
But, but, now you see…now she’s popular…um people really love her. Uh huh. Do you have any facts to back that up? Nope. According to the polls and political history (both you know nothing about) she might just not be in for an old fashion close race loss but a colossal landslide! I’m not yet predicting she loses by a landslide. But I am suggesting that she is headed in that direction and depending on who the republican candidate is she could very well lose by 10 or more points. Now that IS my opinion but it is based on some very good evidence. That word evidence should means something to you by now even though you have produced none of your own.
Read em and weep…
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit[/quote]
Ah, I see you are up to your usual keen insights and reflections.
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just calling them as I see em
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]florelius wrote:
So… Your entire, and Bernie’s too, political and economic stance rests on feelings and emotion then?
Great, just what we need. Forget the science, forget reality, let’s govern based on emotional whims… Sounds fantastic.
They are, given your political leanings, connotation and the means by which you want to achieve equality, mutually exclusive.
How can liberty mean anything other than liberty?
[quote]However regarding the history of inequality I think Pickettys “Capital in the 21th century” has a hypothesis that in essence says that inequality have been the norm and that the more egalitarian post-war period i western Europa and Usa( relative to the pre-war period and today ) was atypical. However if you add in the pre-historical period( paleolitich and neolitich era ) humans have for most of their existence lived in rather small and egalitarian societys.( hunther gather tribes ) Offcourse hardship was probably a constant in that same pre-historic period.
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I’ll give you a hint. The difference between the relative comfort the ultra rich American has today, and the relative comfort the poor in America have today is significantly more narrow than the spread was 100 years ago, and even more drastically close as it was 200 years ago too. In fact, the further you go back, the wider the divide.
The rich today may enjoy a “higher class” of things, but the poor have all the same “necessities” and “comforts” that the rich do. In America in particular, the poor man’s toilet water is cleaner after he shits in it, than the vast majority of the rest of the world’s drinking water. This “income inequality” is utter nonsense and just politicized envy. It’s sad to see more and more smart people fall into the collectivist trap.
Don’t worry, you’ll get your wish. Our country is doomed to fall into the proven failure of socialism/communism/collectivism… When my children are slaves of the state, you’ll be able to say “I told you so”.
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I would like to take you Beans on a tor of Phx AZ underbelly , where you can bask in the luxury the poor live in:)
So people in AZ that do not work no longer have cable TV, Internet, cell phones, cars, air conditioning and get back income tax money anymore??
Our poor are living Phat. Wit a PH.
Actually, AZ should serve as a model for welfare.
Don’t you get cut off the dole after 12 months?
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
Actually, AZ should serve as a model for welfare.
Don’t you get cut off the dole after 12 months? [/quote]
It’s the same in CA.
IIRC, you need to have worked for a certain amount of time to even be eligible to begin with, and you can only be on it for 12 months, and requires some proof that you’re seriously looking for a job.
I think the “perpetually on unemployment and making 30k a year” thing is very rare, and likely more a result of a failure of the system due to people falling through the cracks moreso than any established policy anywhere.
Of course… I haven’t bothered to look at what the other states have with their unemployment system.
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
So people in AZ that do not work no longer have cable TV, Internet, cell phones, cars, air conditioning and get back income tax money anymore??
Our poor are living Phat. Wit a PH. [/quote]
I do see some have cell phones but they don’t have homes so I doubt they have cable or TV or Refrigerators , or air conditioners or if they had any jobs get tax returns .
What I see is the beg ,prostitute, probably steal and what ever charitable orgs. hand out
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I would like to take you Beans on a tor of Phx AZ underbelly , where you can bask in the luxury the poor live in:)
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Yes, and you can come up here and I’ll show you the same bullshit.
Then, when you’re done with you youtube videos about chronic homeless in AZ, why don’t you post some of the squalor in about 160 other countries where the vast majority of populations live in conditions much worse than anything you’ve link thus far.
Your perspective, as always, sucks massive cocks.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I would like to take you Beans on a tor of Phx AZ underbelly , where you can bask in the luxury the poor live in:)
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Yes, and you can come up here and I’ll show you the same bullshit.
Then, when you’re done with you youtube videos about chronic homeless in AZ, why don’t you post some of the squalor in about 160 other countries where the vast majority of populations live in conditions much worse than anything you’ve link thus far.
Your perspective, as always, sucks massive cocks. [/quote]
LMAO…and true to the bone.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I would like to take you Beans on a tor of Phx AZ underbelly , where you can bask in the luxury the poor live in:)
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Yes, and you can come up here and I’ll show you the same bullshit.
Then, when you’re done with you youtube videos about chronic homeless in AZ, why don’t you post some of the squalor in about 160 other countries where the vast majority of populations live in conditions much worse than anything you’ve link thus far.
Your perspective, as always, sucks massive cocks. [/quote]
You suck massive cock and take it in the ass too 
now that we got that out of the way .
Arizona is probably the hub for the homeless , especially in the winter . I have been to countries that were supposed to be inferior but they were not . America can hold her own when it comes to poverty