Reddit Finally Bans Child Porn

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Some of my thoughts here are predicated by some research findings about the fluidity of sexual orientation in women, where who a women is attracted to might, for some, be more important than gender. While I realize that is another can of worms, I still think it is fixation on children feeds something other than sexual attraction - though whatever that is can be expressed sexually.

Some of the recent cases of adult teachers shagging/raping underaged boys were reasoned to be something other than pedophilia, something to do with stunted maturation or a need to relive that time period, etc…

I just think there is more going on, though I will agree, the feeling of choice in the manner may not be felt by the individual.

Scary stat I heard, most case of sexual abuse on kids is from kids acting out theory own abuse and trying to make sense of it. Something to consider.[/quote]

I agree that there are multiple reasons adults rape children.

But pedophilia, the medical term, is specifically based on the sexual attraction an adult has towards children. Pedophilia, as it’s defined, isnt simply a fixation on children. It’s a sexual attraction towards them.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
When you’re developing your tastes based on your life experiences, are you doing it by choice or does it just happen?[/quote]

The easy answer is it depends, but I think growth or maturation requires some reflection on our tastes. I have not really been attracted to blondes. Figure because my sister as blonde and therefore nonsexual. I have thought about, I have dated blonde women, still I prefer brunetes. My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.

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No no. you missed the point about choice.

Of course we choose how to act. Id say there are dozens of pedophiles that choose to not rape children. That doesnt make their attraction to children any weaker. The same way thousands of homosexuals choose to have sex with the opposite sex.

Choice of action was not the point I raised when I made my first comment. [/quote]

I am just not sold on the genetic component. It strikes me more as an aspect of taste. I, however, am not against a consideration of experiences that might trigger a particular taste or expression of it.
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Do you hold this position solely with pedophilia or also for heterosexuality and homosexuality a
s well?[/quote]

Two different things. Heterosexuality & homosexuality are about sex/gender. Pedophilia is about stage of development.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Some of my thoughts here are predicated by some research findings about the fluidity of sexual orientation in women, where who a women is attracted to might, for some, be more important than gender. While I realize that is another can of worms, I still think it is fixation on children feeds something other than sexual attraction - though whatever that is can be expressed sexually.

Some of the recent cases of adult teachers shagging/raping underaged boys were reasoned to be something other than pedophilia, something to do with stunted maturation or a need to relive that time period, etc…

I just think there is more going on, though I will agree, the feeling of choice in the manner may not be felt by the individual.

Scary stat I heard, most case of sexual abuse on kids is from kids acting out theory own abuse and trying to make sense of it. Something to consider.[/quote]

I agree that there are multiple reasons adults rape children.

But pedophilia, the medical term, is specifically based on the sexual attraction an adult has towards children. Pedophilia, as it’s defined, isnt simply a fixation on children. It’s a sexual attraction towards them. [/quote]

I get that but I thought we were discussion the formation of attraction. I have a couple of thoughts for clarification.

I brought up love because that seems to the main point of contention in the anti-gay movement, as in they should not be allowed to marry.

Predatory relationships, within discussions on this board, have varied from disgust to celebration, but I have yet read it discussed or defended in terms of attraction, especially of the genetic type. It would be like saying some are genetically predisposed to seek out drunk men/women with low self-esteme.

I think we are debating the source of the attraction to which neither of us, if anyone, really knows.

This has been a nice discussion but I am done. Just too sad of a topic.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
When you’re developing your tastes based on your life experiences, are you doing it by choice or does it just happen?[/quote]

The easy answer is it depends, but I think growth or maturation requires some reflection on our tastes. I have not really been attracted to blondes. Figure because my sister as blonde and therefore nonsexual. I have thought about, I have dated blonde women, still I prefer brunetes. My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.

Counter argument is of course that pedophilia shows up in cultures around the world so why is that? Do not know. I do know that de Sade was against it. So are most cultures.

I will throw you this. There is a trend towards the sexualization of children, mainly girls, currently in the US. Have fun with that.[/quote]I’ve always been attracted to brunettes and figured its just what I was born liking myself. I have brunette and blonde women in my family but none of them find their way to my sexual thoughts so I’ve never considered my preferences a learned behavior. I lost my virginity to a sexy little Asian chick with jet black hair though, maybe I’m projecting? Who knows but actions can be controlled even if natural attraction can’t. General comments to the convo.
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I think I should have preferenced my comments in terms of aesthetics; that is really what we, you and I, are discussing. I think that is fundamentally different.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

Your post comes off as one defending the pics now banned from reddit. I’m curious, where in Texas do you live?

Maybe we could meet for a beer, you know, to discuss the legal, moral and emotional aspects of vigilantism and guilt before proven innocence.

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Houston,Tx. I assure you,I only brought up this topic because I found it pretty interesting that one of biggest social website on the internet took so long to get rid of such a controversial section of its site but if your poor reading skills lead you to believe otherwise,that im sympathetic to cause of online predators or other deviants, then you are an imbecile. It seems like people like you and other members on this site like to jump the gun and point fingers when anybody brings up any topic that might cause a stir without comprehending what is being discussed.

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[quote]overstand wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
Your post comes off as one defending the pics now banned from reddit. I’m curious, where in Texas do you live?

Maybe we could meet for a beer, you know, to discuss the legal, moral and emotional aspects of vigilantism and guilt before proven innocence.

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This is the same impression I got. Based on what OP posted so far I wouldn’t want him around any of my younger family members.
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What part of my post gave you this impression? Feel free to dissect my earlier comments because it seems to me that you and Houstonguy have some trouble reading and understanding what im posting.

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[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

My point is that we do have the choice to decide if something is acceptable or not and go from there. Children are not sex objects is a pretty consistent message to hear. There has to be some acceptance of the attraction to act upon it.

Counter argument is of course that pedophilia shows up in cultures around the world so why is that? Do not know. I do know that de Sade was against it. So are most cultures.

I will throw you this. There is a trend towards the sexualization of children, mainly girls, currently in the US. Have fun with that.[/quote]

I’m not arguing against your point, nor do I think children should be seen as sex objects. I’m simply saying pedophiles on the whole do not choose their sexual attraction, they do choose their actions of course.

Not sure why you added “Have fun with that.” I’m not condoning pedophilia.
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Just that my cultural norm argument is weakened by stating that currently there is a trend towards sexualizing young children, and making innocence sexy. [/quote]

Innocence has always been sexy to those who want to destroy it. There is nothing new in this. Adults have been sexing up kids since the dawn of time, there is nothing new in that either. Technology just makes it more evident.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Fuzzyapple wrote:
Pedophilia is not a religion of a belief it is a simple disgusting trait that falls onto people. [/quote]

Statutory rape is a crime that I agree should be prosecuted. I find pedophilia as morally abhorrent as any other reasonable adult living in modern civilized society.

With that said, I think you are underestimating the complexity of pedophilia. Im not prepared to engage in a debate on the nuances of ‘choice’, when it comes to sex but consider this. In the sentence I quoted, replace the word ‘pedophilia’ with ‘homosexuality’. At one point in time the overwhelming majority of civilized society found homosexuality morally abhorrent.

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Didn’t raelly look at it that way or considered that. This is why I like reading the boards because of all the different minds.

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Learning in pyschology but personality is based on genetics. When I think genetics I think skin colour, height, hair colour, etc, etc. I think there is some merit genetically to where you can be attracted to things that others may find repulsive. Now changing your behaviour in a certain situations is another thing.

Marvin Zukerman talks about contemporary social cognitive appraches to personality listing “sensations seeking” as a personality trait. These people are tolerant to stress but exhibit many things such as impulsive decision making, poor health habbits, and even high risk sexual behaviour.

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I’ve outgrown the jailbait thing, but what they were doing wasn’t child porn.