Recomp Expectations?

Yes, maybe when you look at the 1 minute of activity.
Now remember that doing classic 3x10 means you spend like 15 seconds on a set followed by a 3 minute rest. Out of 2 hours of gym session you actually MOVE for only like 10mins.

Well for me its - either eat less, or move more and eat more. Its the same thing. Its just that people usually starve at 2000kcals when they could have just moved more and eat 4000kcal.

Agree. This is what i ment.

Yes i am, but it doesnt really change what i wanted to say to the OP.
What i ment was - the result of 10 week cut would depend on caloric deficit that he generates. First of all - asking for EXPECTATIONS for another person is a bit dumb. No one knows. What we can do is - speculate. So i did speculate saying that doing a “classic” thing, in 10 weeks he probably wont do much. I think you can agree that for his size, 10 weeks @ 500kcal deficit a day he will be at 35,000kcal deficit which totals of 8,5lbs of fat if everything goes PERFECT, which is NOTHING for a guy his size. So i did speculate the other way also, saying that if he CAN do more, and is willing to, he can also do ALOT in these 10 weeks.
I dont think anyone can disagree with these statements. Or am i wrong?
So after that i suggested he just spends a bit less in the weight room and more on a cardio, and he would be able to make a bit better cuts i these 10 weeks. Again, i dont see how can i be wrong by saying that.

That’s a little exaggerated for the most part but where strength training burns more calories is not soley during the exercise. It’s also during the tissue repair phase.

Want to clarify I’m not stating it burns more calories than aerobic / cardio just more after the work is done. They are surprisingly close to effectiveness in fat loss than you would think.

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In real life experience i havent seen people losing much weight with just strength training while adding 30mins of cardio does wonders. I cant disagree with you because i have no data or studies to quote, its just how i have always felt and have seen. I really dont get the feeling that extending gym time would provide same be benefits as doing 30min cardio.

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I wonder how much of it is the gym time has been a constant and already factored into the calories used daily vs adding cardio that wasn’t there before.

Be interesting to add 30 extra minutes of weight lifting to see what it does :joy:

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Well in my experience, shortening gym time and adding same amount of cardio definetly speeds up the fat loss.
I believe Greg Doucette has videos on this, saying that a gym session burns like 200-300 calories if you go hard.

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A combo of both is definitely the best approach. At least that’s what the data says. From my personal experience I do very little aerobic / cardio so I wouldn’t know… I hate anything faster than a walking speed.

I’ll throw in some 30min cardio each am just to see what happens.

I’ve got a nice road bike and don’t have to travel anywhere to ride it. If I get rained on so be it.

I’m betting most of you been at this long enough to know what work for each. I was so out of touch just trying to get the best return on efforts and that freaking anavar is expensive as hell.

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Back for more advice.

Ive been consistent with diet and training, 300mg wk testosterone and 50mg oxandrolone daily prescribed.
I supplement D3, fish oil and magnesium daily and sometimes take a multi.

I feel I’ve made some progress and still 2weeks left on the 8week oxandrolone course but my labs look horrible.

I’m coming to the forum to ask are my labs typical for the scenario? Do I need to make immediate changes to get labs back in range? Specifically concerned with lipids , AST , and triglycerides.

Let me know what you think.
Also the diet has been mostly meats and carb restricted so not sure how much that factors.

Thank you.

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I would remove your personal info from those labs / edit the post. Yes, Var in that dose range is hell on your lipids. Still, while I expect your HDL to be low, your LDL is atrocious. These are bad.

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Happy Anniversary @blshaw

@Casey_d sweet lord my man. You must have at least three things going on here. You don’t seem to have the genetics for keto (low carb). Your bloodwork responds very poorly to oxandrolone. Your only modestly elevated TT is masked by your probable very low SHBG while your fT is sky high given your Test dose. Your blood work looks horrendous. If you value your health you’ll pull the oxandrolone, get your testosterone back down to actual TRT levels and you need to figure out an eating plan that works with your body. Keto (for you) and oxandrolone ain’t it.

Read this and the other posts I put in that thread on lipids.
https://t-nation.com/t/realistic-trt-recomp-progress/253389/3731

You need to shoot for getting your triglceride to hdl-c ratio WAY down:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2664115/

Your bloodwork is shocking. Before I drop the hammer on your Provider let me come from a place of wonder instead of judgment. What does he think of your bloodwork?



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I just received the labs today after calling to request them. I don’t follow up with the provider until 5/4.

I’ll drop the oxandrolone and test level now.

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Here’s you an example to target:

Ignore the Calc LDL value. The formula is grossly inaccurate for low triglyceride patients.

I expected some lab changes but wasn’t sure how much deviation is acceptable. I can judge by the responses mine are not.

Thanks for sharing the rest of your labs. As I thought your SHBG is down there and your fT is up there at a level Danny Bossa would be proud of :-).

Change course man. Reassess your lipids after 4-8 weeks once the oxandrolone effect is washed out and then from there you’ll get a better idea of what you need to do eating wise.

You lipid particle counts (you could measure with NMR lipoprofile) would be truly ghastly. Hang in there and good job considering making a change. Good luck man and best wishes for your health.

BTW: here’s my response on your oxandrolone regimen (4 weeks in) with baseline:
https://t-nation.com/t/oxandrolone-troche-experience-potential-atherosclerosis-marker-wmd/254627/15

That was a great comparison to read up on thanks for sharing.

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I have another point in that I did NOT fast for fasting labs.

Had my usual 4or5 whole eggs and probably a bit of beef.
Is this enough to drastically skew my lipid tests?

Nope. I wouldn’t rationalize with that. If you really want reassurance repeat cheap lipid panel fasted before making course correction. Won’t change much.