Wow, my use of the english language sucked in that last post.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I can see the disdain for the institution, but why the “disrespect” for the individual?
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Please name the individual I am disrespecting, keeping in mind I once wore a USMC costume, too, so I must also be disrespecting myself.[/quote]
See those little quote marks around the word disrespect I put there?
No petty bullshit, answer this:
Does the 20 year old returning from active duty in Iraq, who honestly believes his buddies dies to protect you, more deserve you to shake his hand or spit on him?
And, thank you for your service BTW.[/quote]
I have never spit on anyone in my life and I don’t shake their hands either just because they have “honest beliefs” - whatever that means.
We all have beliefs and some of them don’t deserve anything more than being ignored.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
I can see the disdain for the institution, but why the “disrespect” for the individual?
[/quote]
Please name the individual I am disrespecting, keeping in mind I once wore a USMC costume, too, so I must also be disrespecting myself.[/quote]
See those little quote marks around the word disrespect I put there?
No petty bullshit, answer this:
Does the 20 year old returning from active duty in Iraq, who honestly believes his buddies dies to protect you, more deserve you to shake his hand or spit on him?
And, thank you for your service BTW.[/quote]
I have never spit on anyone in my life and I don’t shake their hands either just because they have “honest beliefs” - whatever that means.
We all have beliefs and some of them don’t deserve anything more than being ignored.[/quote]
I didn’t say you did spit on anyone. It was a hypothetical…
Forget it homie, it isn’t worth this much effort…
You’re right, we are all just nazi sheep bound solely by our emotions.
You win.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
You’re right, we are all just nazi sheep bound solely by our emotions.
You win.[/quote]
Your words, not mine.
Indeed, I win.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
KD,
Please don’t use the “big government restricting our rights” argument.
People against big government also seem to be against;
A womans right to choose
Gay Marriage
Legalizing Weed
Legislating morality is for a lack of a better word, moronic. If you are against these 3 things, you are for big government and government intrusion into peoples personal lives, so really who gives a shit about big soda cups and bans on trans fats.[/quote]
Nononono…
You are talking about that them conseruvatishs, who seem to have a serious cognitive dissonance problem.
THem there libertariuns have a pretty conisistent GTFO stance.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Glad you could provide a link to a bar website ; )
[quote]lanchefan1 wrote:
Link about the raising of the drinking age by the feds in 1984 witholding highway money if the states did not do so.
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Sure thing, I just remembered this vividly because they raised it right before I was set to turn 18 (damn assholes).
I have never supported anything on these boards, never once! In fact I consider myself a libertarian, a principle that was key in the formation of this country during her inception. When a woman is pregnant, she should have every option available to her. Now that does not mean a woman should have the option to legally kill her child. Two separate issues. I would like to ban abortion, except for the cases of rape or incest. Then I believe knowledge of information is key. Thank you for projecting your claims on to me, with no backing I might add. Or you can learn history of Rome or Greece and cite me where I was wrong in relation to politics.
Yet I know YOU support the idea of a woman who knowingly took part in an action that would result in the creation of life. She should still have the right to choose death for the life she created. You will then tell me that the first trimester should be allowable, no abortions after that period. You will then say the perception of pain is what makes abortion no longer an option. When pressed for the exact process or test that can be administered you never come forward with anything, at least a source of any sustenance. I also notice you have left the abortion thread with your self imposed ignorance, I wonder why that would be?
Don’t worry about responding to me here either, I won’t waste my time.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
KD,
Please don’t use the “big government restricting our rights” argument.
People against big government also seem to be against;
A womans right to choose
Gay Marriage
Legalizing Weed
Legislating morality is for a lack of a better word, moronic. If you are against these 3 things, you are for big government and government intrusion into peoples personal lives, so really who gives a shit about big soda cups and bans on trans fats.[/quote]
A data set is just that, numbers. I have experienced things that go against your numbers, so I will take my experiences every single time. [quote]countingbeans wrote:So… You want to throw out a massive data set because it doesn’t fit your argument that the drinking age is perfect at 21?
Got cha.[/quote]
You brought the military to the table. Some believe people should drink if they are serving in the military. Well I know lots of kids who were 18 and they got drunk all the time in the military. I know this wasn’t supposed to happen, but many commanding officers would turn a bling eye to the kids getting drunk. Do they feel it is a huge problem? Nope. They are of the mindset that if someone is going to die for this country, a few beers at the age of 18 is a small issue. Now this is just my experience and opinion. [quote]How is this relevant to his, your or my point?
It isn’t at all.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
A data set is just that, numbers. I have experienced things that go against your numbers, so I will take my experiences every single time. [/quote]
That is funny, considering how many times I’ve seen you require “linked documentation” for backup from people who disagree with you, but when it is convenient for your position, you would prefer your own personal antidotes, to hard irrefutable evidence…
I believe someone else did, not myself. But what does your question about forced service have, at all, to do with drinking age?
I’m still baffled at what you were getting at.
I think there are quite a few people that feel that way.
Look, simple truth is, the data from around the world is going to point to whether or not the higher drinking age contributes to any statistically significant betterment to American Society. But all you care about here is personal experience. Why? Because if you were to demand data like you do in other topics, your position would most likely be proven false?
Look I don’t care if they raise the drinking age to 30. I really don’t. I just wondered why your position was what it was, particularly given the way the “said” it.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I have never supported anything on these boards, never once! In fact I consider myself a libertarian, a principle that was key in the formation of this country during her inception. When a woman is pregnant, she should have every option available to her. Now that does not mean a woman should have the option to legally kill her child. Two separate issues. I would like to ban abortion, except for the cases of rape or incest. Then I believe knowledge of information is key. Thank you for projecting your claims on to me, with no backing I might add. Or you can learn history of Rome or Greece and cite me where I was wrong in relation to politics.
Yet I know YOU support the idea of a woman who knowingly took part in an action that would result in the creation of life. She should still have the right to choose death for the life she created. You will then tell me that the first trimester should be allowable, no abortions after that period. You will then say the perception of pain is what makes abortion no longer an option. When pressed for the exact process or test that can be administered you never come forward with anything, at least a source of any sustenance. I also notice you have left the abortion thread with your self imposed ignorance, I wonder why that would be?
Don’t worry about responding to me here either, I won’t waste my time.
[quote]BrianHanson wrote:
KD,
Please don’t use the “big government restricting our rights” argument.
People against big government also seem to be against;
A womans right to choose
Gay Marriage
Legalizing Weed
Legislating morality is for a lack of a better word, moronic. If you are against these 3 things, you are for big government and government intrusion into peoples personal lives, so really who gives a shit about big soda cups and bans on trans fats.[/quote]
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KD,
I actually believe that a woman should be able to choose, I gave my opinion of what I would prefer, I never said they can’t do something. I posted the British study on pain in the abortion thread when I cited it. I left the abortion thread because I realize peoples thoughts are pretty much set on those issues, so the typing I was doing was time I could have spent learning to knit, at least then I would have something to show for it.
I am pretty sure you are against Gay Marriage, you are clearly against a womans right to choose and you probably oppose legalizing weed, so tell me what I said that was wrong, or feel free to explain how legislating morality isn’t promoting “big government”.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Next you will tell me that drinking should be allowed at eighteen
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Don’t countries other than the US allow this?
I mean, are the drinking realted issues in Canada that much worse? In a statistically significant way?[/quote]
Over here in New Zealand the legal age is 18. Alcohol is not a major problem but its hard to find a club without 17yos (with fake ids) and 18yos.