Raising a Pit Bull with Small Dogs

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[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
I don’t see how a pit bull is a compromise for a rottweiler. If you had specific reasons for wanting a rottweiler then I don’t see how you would make a pit bull your next choice unless what you want from the dog has changed.

Also, how much space do you think a rottweiler will actually take up? You also mention price. How much were you going to spend on the rottweiler because I can tell you that if you were prepared to spend over 2K then you were not planning on getting a good rottweiler. You should be thinking about getting the best dog you can, not the cheapest. A pit bull is not a less expensive, smaller version of a rottweiler.

I also don’t understand what you mean by “more naturally aggressive breeds” and I don’t think you understand either. You might want to learn a lot more about dogs before getting another one. [/quote]

A pit bull is a compromise. I dont have the money or the space for a rott right now. Pitbulls are a smaller, cheaper molloser breed. If you are still not understanding, grab a dictionary.

And pitbulls are naturally dog-aggressive breeds. It is a fact. Many mollosser type dogs are. Its not even really debatable…

What is with T-Nation always trying to spin the simplest thread into a shit-show? Its almost to the point of being pathetic. [/quote]

A pitbull is not a mollosser.

Next, you kind of answered your own question.

Dog aggression is in the breed in abundance. So, your mileage may vary. For every success story you might hear here (which is only anecdotal anyway), you won’t be changing the the breed’s propensity for aggression. You might get luck, or you might come home one day to a dead dog. No one can tell you differently.

A pitbull will sometimes do okay opposite sex. Pitbulls CAN be very versatile, even getting along with cats. There just isn’t a black and white answer to your query, and no, it’s not always “how they are raised, socialized or otherwise conditioned” - not always.

I wouldn’t do it unless the pitbull will be segregated and not a housedog with the other foo foo dogs. But that’s just my calculus. \

Good luck. [/quote]

I appreciate your answer. It seems to be pretty on point from what ive heard from others.

Side note – this is directly from Wikipedia:

The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) is a medium-sized, solidly built, short haired dog whose early ancestors came from England and Ireland. It is a member of the molosser breed group

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

Im 6’3, 270lbs, what the fuck do i need a guard dog for?

;)[/quote]

The guy who’s 5’10" 270?[/quote]

That guy is usually a butter ball.

Ill take 4 inches of height over 10 or 20 lbs[/quote]
Okay, but what about for the guy who’s 5’7" 320lbs?[/quote]

Im trying not to turn this into “one of those” threads lol but come one, 5’7 doesnt scare me unless i know the guy is a fucking ninja. Could you imagine how silly that dude must look throwing a punch?

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IMO the decision to be made with all small breeds is this:
Do you actually have time to be on the case 100% of the time? If not, you’re best off stepping away from dogs with a name for being aggressive. Don’t make this an impossible moral dilemma; if you have need for a breed that you can hunt, control rats or do other useful work with and you have the time to train him, get one. If not, don’t. A jack russel is one thing and going out and buying a staffie is quite another, and for god’s sake don’t get hold of an unneutered male unless you’ve been taught how to breed dogs properly. The whole process can be incredibly stressful for both you and the animal unless there are proffessionals involved.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I had a pit-akita mix when I was a kid. It was an awesome dog, extremely well tempered, never attacked people, cats or other dogs.

I do not think it is the dog breed, but the environment it grows up in, which determine if it will be violent.[/quote]

And you would be wrong when it comes to an american pitbull terrier.

That’s not to say environment, socialization, etc. is not a factor, but genetics and drive can trump it.

Moreover, the larger issue is this; if a pitbull will be a grave danger to another dog in your home (based on age, size, etc.) it only takes a single “disagreement” when you’re not home for you to lose that other dog. [/quote]

It still depends on how they are raised and trained. Ceasar Milan has an entire enclosure full of pitbulls that get along fine with one another.

I will agree though that their determination and outiright ferocity trumps any other dog I have ever seen. To win a fight with a pitbull, you will literally have to end its life. They don’t give up and they don’t know the meaning of quit or backdown once in full go mode.

Any dogs can get into it, just many breeds do not have the physical prowess or power of a pitbull.[/quote]

You should read my post again. And you’re wrong.

I should have first stated, “in before Cesar reference.”

You do realize that’s TV right? You do realize that …oh nevermind. You’re wrong.

Environment, socialization, training, etc can all have an impact like I said. And, sometimes a dog’s genetics and drive will trump it. You keep watching TV, and I’ll just trust my first hand expertise with the 1000’s of the breed, over two decades.

Like I’ve said, I’ve seen em get along with cats. And I’ve seen ones that can’t be “conditioned” away from the aggression.

The only problem is, in real life, you don’t get to edit your results, or cherry pick dogs to support your alleged success and reputation. Life isn’t TV.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I had a pit-akita mix when I was a kid. It was an awesome dog, extremely well tempered, never attacked people, cats or other dogs.

I do not think it is the dog breed, but the environment it grows up in, which determine if it will be violent.[/quote]

And you would be wrong when it comes to an american pitbull terrier.

That’s not to say environment, socialization, etc. is not a factor, but genetics and drive can trump it.

Moreover, the larger issue is this; if a pitbull will be a grave danger to another dog in your home (based on age, size, etc.) it only takes a single “disagreement” when you’re not home for you to lose that other dog. [/quote]

It still depends on how they are raised and trained. Ceasar Milan has an entire enclosure full of pitbulls that get along fine with one another.

I will agree though that their determination and outiright ferocity trumps any other dog I have ever seen. To win a fight with a pitbull, you will literally have to end its life. They don’t give up and they don’t know the meaning of quit or backdown once in full go mode.

Any dogs can get into it, just many breeds do not have the physical prowess or power of a pitbull.[/quote]

Also, they give up, quit, etc. all the time. Gameness exists on a continuum. Some more game than others. More prove cur than game. Most of them end up knowing the meaning of quit when tested in their historical vocation.

I don’t mean any offense, but it’s pretty clear you have no first hand experience with the breed, so why are you giving advice, and passing along things from TV and other anecdotes you’ve heard? No offense, but I’m curious.

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Nevermind :slight_smile: you don’t have to answer that. I answered the OPs question. I’m not here for a discussion.

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The experience is relevant, actually. There is always a certain amount of emotional stress involved with decisions taken about livestock IMO and preventing accidents is always everybody’s job. Especially once somebody’s asked a question. Take horses; if I had intervened when I should have done at certain critical stages, animals would not have died needlessly and I know this for a fact. Farms are dangerous places. People die in industrial accidents on farms on a regular basis.

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[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I had a pit-akita mix when I was a kid. It was an awesome dog, extremely well tempered, never attacked people, cats or other dogs.

I do not think it is the dog breed, but the environment it grows up in, which determine if it will be violent.[/quote]

And you would be wrong when it comes to an american pitbull terrier.

That’s not to say environment, socialization, etc. is not a factor, but genetics and drive can trump it.

Moreover, the larger issue is this; if a pitbull will be a grave danger to another dog in your home (based on age, size, etc.) it only takes a single “disagreement” when you’re not home for you to lose that other dog. [/quote]

It still depends on how they are raised and trained. Ceasar Milan has an entire enclosure full of pitbulls that get along fine with one another.

I will agree though that their determination and outiright ferocity trumps any other dog I have ever seen. To win a fight with a pitbull, you will literally have to end its life. They don’t give up and they don’t know the meaning of quit or backdown once in full go mode.

Any dogs can get into it, just many breeds do not have the physical prowess or power of a pitbull.[/quote]

You should read my post again. And you’re wrong.

I should have first stated, “in before Cesar reference.”

You do realize that’s TV right? You do realize that …oh nevermind. You’re wrong.

Environment, socialization, training, etc can all have an impact like I said. And, sometimes a dog’s genetics and drive will trump it. You keep watching TV, and I’ll just trust my first hand expertise with the 1000’s of the breed, over two decades.

Like I’ve said, I’ve seen em get along with cats. And I’ve seen ones that can’t be “conditioned” away from the aggression.

The only problem is, in real life, you don’t get to edit your results, or cherry pick dogs to support your alleged success and reputation. Life isn’t TV.[/quote]

Funny, I have been to his actual refuge 3 times and see in with my eyes personally. And he does not hide the fact that he does have trouble with some and have them separated until he can condition/ trained them correctly.

Good job thinking all I do is watch TV. I also work with a rescue organization that only rescues pits as they are a large issue around the area I live and I love the breed.

I know their history and how their use as tools has changed over the course of it. Aggressive drive can be there, but not on the level or frequency that some people try to paint. Any dog can be aggressive towards other animals given the right circumstances.

And no fucking shit life isn’t tv.

Sure genetics and drive can trump sound training in very rare circumstances, but I still say it is overblown. A very small percentage are not fixable with proper conditioning. I agree to an extent or maybe we are not matching up on the exact frequency, but I will say I have rarely seen a pit back down from a challenge or fight even when not instigating.

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[quote]Species wrote:

Like I’ve said, I’ve seen em get along with cats. And I’ve seen ones that can’t be “conditioned” away from the aggression.

The only problem is, in real life, you don’t get to edit your results, or cherry pick dogs to support your alleged success and reputation. Life isn’t TV.[/quote]

Thats for sure. Mine killed two cats before she got the idea that she shouldn’t. She’s been good with mine since, but has torn up every groundhog and raccoon in the area. There’s a neighbors cat that is just damn lucky we keep her leashed and she’s not as motivated to break them as she used to be.

And after 10 years, she’s pretty OK with other dogs as long as they’re introduced properly and the other one doesn’t try to dominate or otherwise bother her.

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[quote]Species wrote:
Also, they give up, quit, etc. all the time. Gameness exists on a continuum. Some more game than others. More prove cur than game. Most of them end up knowing the meaning of quit when tested in their historical vocation.

I don’t mean any offense, but it’s pretty clear you have no first hand experience with the breed, so why are you giving advice, and passing along things from TV and other anecdotes you’ve heard? No offense, but I’m curious.

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Nevermind :slight_smile: you don’t have to answer that. I answered the OPs question. I’m not here for a discussion. [/quote]

So, you’re telling me that I can’t force or train my dog to fight? What if I feed him gunpowder and Chihuahuas?

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Well yes, specifics: If you have a physical need for a breed perceived as being a dangerous dog, get one. But not at the cost of your existing stock- you can’t jeopardise the well being of the whole team- animal and human- for your benefit, and if you keep persisting with that line of reasoning, why you need to find another team to work with.

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[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Species wrote:

[quote]aeyogi wrote:
I had a pit-akita mix when I was a kid. It was an awesome dog, extremely well tempered, never attacked people, cats or other dogs.

I do not think it is the dog breed, but the environment it grows up in, which determine if it will be violent.[/quote]

And you would be wrong when it comes to an american pitbull terrier.

That’s not to say environment, socialization, etc. is not a factor, but genetics and drive can trump it.

Moreover, the larger issue is this; if a pitbull will be a grave danger to another dog in your home (based on age, size, etc.) it only takes a single “disagreement” when you’re not home for you to lose that other dog. [/quote]

It still depends on how they are raised and trained. Ceasar Milan has an entire enclosure full of pitbulls that get along fine with one another.

I will agree though that their determination and outiright ferocity trumps any other dog I have ever seen. To win a fight with a pitbull, you will literally have to end its life. They don’t give up and they don’t know the meaning of quit or backdown once in full go mode.

Any dogs can get into it, just many breeds do not have the physical prowess or power of a pitbull.[/quote]

Also, they give up, quit, etc. all the time. Gameness exists on a continuum. Some more game than others. More prove cur than game. Most of them end up knowing the meaning of quit when tested in their historical vocation.

I don’t mean any offense, but it’s pretty clear you have no first hand experience with the breed, so why are you giving advice, and passing along things from TV and other anecdotes you’ve heard? No offense, but I’m curious.

EDIT

Nevermind :slight_smile: you don’t have to answer that. I answered the OPs question. I’m not here for a discussion. [/quote]

I was more referring to the one’s used for fighting and brought from that world when tangling with other dogs. Terriers in general have that go go go attitude until they drop. Not that you can’t separate or calm the down, but if no one is there to intervene it usually will go the full course, which I think we agree on. The ones coming from abused places are the ones I see the most.

I have 2 and have fostered at least a dozen until they were placed.

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He loves this couch.

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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
This is my favorite use of pit bulls…

Sweet f’in Jesus, is that for sport? Like, guys go out with hounds and pitbulls so they can stab hogs? What did the guy with the knife do, sever it’s spinal column?

I’m totally willing to profess absolute ignorance to learn more about this.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
I’ve probably posted this pic before. He, a bully pit, is a ball hunting, chasing and fetching dude.[/quote]

That is a mighty athlete right there. Fabulous pic.

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We recently picked up a new puppy. This is young Gunnar.

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I am thinking we have our hands full. Here is a pic of his papa.

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My rotti. 3.5 years old in this pic. 130 pounds. 27.5 inches tall at top of front shoulder. German characteristics.