Yuo are onoe unique critter JP. Again, absolutely no hostility or insult intended. I am out of ways to communicate with you (for now) I just cannot get into a debate about he deity of Christ now, which can be demonstrated even from the gospels alone. Maybe his highness will take it up. It may not be so bad if it stays in the gospels. Then he won’t have to debate the Granville Sharp rule with you or a dozen other issues that acts, the epistles and the apocalypse present.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Yuo are onoe unique critter JP. Again, absolutely no hostility or insult intended. I am out of ways to communicate with you (for now) I just cannot get into a debate about he deity of Christ now, which can be demonstrated even from the gospels alone. Maybe his highness will take it up. It may not be so bad if it stays in the gospels. Then he won’t have to debate the Granville Sharp rule with you or a dozen other issues that acts, the epistles and the apocalypse present.[/quote]
Lol. I didn’t argue against His deity. I said He is not the Father. Jesus said so Himself several times. But of course, that must be my face-value-Jesus-said-it-so-it-must-be-true private interpretation speaking, right?
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Yuo are onoe unique critter JP. Again, absolutely no hostility or insult intended. I am out of ways to communicate with you (for now) I just cannot get into a debate about he deity of Christ now, which can be demonstrated even from the gospels alone. Maybe his highness will take it up. It may not be so bad if it stays in the gospels. Then he won’t have to debate the Granville Sharp rule with you or a dozen other issues that acts, the epistles and the apocalypse present.[/quote]
Lol. I didn’t argue against His deity. I said He is not the Father. Jesus said so Himself several times. But of course, that must be my face-value-Jesus-said-it-so-it-must-be-true private interpretation speaking, right?[/quote]
I think this scripture makes Jesus subordination very clear:
1 Cor 15:27,28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
So Jesus was given authority over all things, except authority over God. Later, everything will be handed back over to God, with Jesus continuing below God.
Seems really clear, but I have had this conversation before.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Yuo are onoe unique critter JP. Again, absolutely no hostility or insult intended. I am out of ways to communicate with you (for now) I just cannot get into a debate about he deity of Christ now, which can be demonstrated even from the gospels alone. Maybe his highness will take it up. It may not be so bad if it stays in the gospels. Then he won’t have to debate the Granville Sharp rule with you or a dozen other issues that acts, the epistles and the apocalypse present.[/quote]
Lol. I didn’t argue against His deity. I said He is not the Father. Jesus said so Himself several times. But of course, that must be my face-value-Jesus-said-it-so-it-must-be-true private interpretation speaking, right?[/quote]
I think this scripture makes Jesus subordination very clear:
1 Cor 15:27,28
For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
So Jesus was given authority over all things, except authority over God. Later, everything will be handed back over to God, with Jesus continuing below God.
Seems really clear, but I have had this conversation before.[/quote]
Nah, that can’t be it. See, what he really said was misinterpreted in translation and since we don’t have direct access to Christ’s words, then you need to ask one of the other guys in this thread because they can translate better than all of the other translators that have ever been. You’re too simple to understand it, just like me.
Someone will be along shortly to correct you.
Lawl.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:<<< I have had this conversation before.[/quote]Indeed. Lookin sharp there dude, especially the legs, but when are you Watchtower folks gonna understand that Jesus being in subjection to His Father does not make Him qualitatively inferior any more than you being under the authority of your father made you inferior to Him. If I had a nickel for every time a JW told me something like this. “AHA, Jesus prayed and did and said nothing of Himself, couldn’t be God!!”.
That may work on some of the people you bump into in your proselytizing, but not on anybody who’s taken even FTP (foundational Training Program) 101 at my church. Yes, that’s actually it’s name. FTP 101, 201 and 301. I’ve spent TONS of time with thoroughly experienced JW’s friend. Not to mention once owning a library of YOUR publications spanning a hundred years that was more complete than the vast majority of Kingdom Halls. You will not teach me anything about the organization or the doctrine or the history. Come on we went through all this a couple years ago.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:<<< I have had this conversation before.[/quote]Indeed. Lookin sharp there dude, especially the legs, but when are you Watchtower folks gonna understand that Jesus being in subjection to His Father does not make Him qualitatively inferior any more than you being under the authority of your father made you inferior to Him. If I had a nickel for every time a JW told me something like this. “AHA, Jesus prayed and did and said nothing of Himself, couldn’t be God!!”.
That may work on some of the people you bump into in your proselytizing, but not on anybody who’s taken even FTP (foundational Training Program) 101 at my church. Yes, that’s actually it’s name. FTP 101, 201 and 301. I’ve spent TONS of time with thoroughly experienced JW’s friend. Not to mention once owning a library of YOUR publications spanning a hundred years that was more complete than the vast majority of Kingdom Halls. You will not teach me anything about the organization or the doctrine or the history. Come on we went through all this a couple years ago.
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There are many things that could be said, but lets just start with this: it makes them two separate individuals. A person can’t be in subjection to himself.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Headhunter wrote:Why? Isn’t it cool that science leads us towards Buddhism?
Bummer about Christianity…well, kay-serah, serah…what ever will be will be…
LOLOLOLOLOLOL![/quote]You’ve got me confused with somebody else if you think I’m gonna be deceived by this brain dead retard routine you’re tryin to run on me here. Here’s a tip. Try not to be so obvious from now on when attempting to pass this dim wittery off as your true thoughts. I for one give you more credit than this and am not buyin it.
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Science be backin’ me up, yo!
I don’t think you perceive that you are rapidly degenerating into a mildly amusing caricature of yourself. You can do better. I hope ya do.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t think you perceive that you are rapidly degenerating into a mildly amusing caricature of yourself. You can do better. I hope ya do.[/quote]
I am currently reading Dawkins’ The God Delusion.
Do you have an opinion on his book.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t think you perceive that you are rapidly degenerating into a mildly amusing caricature of yourself. You can do better. I hope ya do.[/quote]
I am currently reading Dawkins’ The God Delusion.
Do you have an opinion on his book.
[/quote]No
Living in Vermont I have rarely seen racism first hand; being from the rural North, racism is a concept more unnatural to me than having a deep fat fryer in your house–a common kitchen tool in the South.
I guess there are a number of differences between Americans culturally then. Although racism permeates all cultures and people, it doesn’t seem to grow as thick here as it does elsewhere. Who can say why.
I have seen it through school; I once grew to be friends with several guys from Georgia who were intelligent and likeable but would say the most foul things about black people in private. From this I gather racism will take hold in any of us given the proper conditions.
I have noticed that racism tends to grow on the chip of the shoulder, like a weed; If your sense of worth is intact, you have no reason to fear the burden of racism. Racists will naturally put others down to lift themselves up.
I’ve also noticed that there are many kinds of racism; blatant racists are less common, although that is what recently shut down the demotivational forum in GAL.
Quite sad, actually.
[quote]honest_lifter wrote:<<< There are many things that could be said, but lets just start with this: it makes them two separate individuals. A person can’t be in subjection to himself.[/quote]You know I love you guys, but I ain’t doin it again. Not here especially. I grew rather fond of It’s_just_me actually. Start another Arius vs. the church thread please.