Yes, if one is to believe the hypothesis of primeval atom…that is compared to say the universe is infinite…it proves energy/matter was created.
Is a fractal a type of infinite regress or is my concept of infinite regress way off?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yes, if one is to believe the hypothesis of primeval atom…that is compared to say the universe is infinite…it proves energy/matter was created.[/quote]How does a hypothesis any more than a theory prove anything? Right when everybody except me finally bows the knee to the god of uncertainty, because apparently the most powerful entity around IS uncertainty, here comes Chris talkin all certain n stuff.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Is a fractal a type of infinite regress or is my concept of infinite regress way off?[/quote]
A infinite regress would means it goes infinitely backwards, which brings up the impossibility of the present if an infinite regress was even possible.
Think of this, if you have 100 flowers to count before you open your flower shop, it will take you as long as it takes to count 100 flowers. IF you have a 1000 flowers, then it will take you as long as as it takes to count a 1000 flowers. Now, tell me if you had to count an infinite amount of lowers before you opened the flower shop, how long would it take you to open the flower shop?
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Yes, if one is to believe the hypothesis of primeval atom…that is compared to say the universe is infinite…it proves energy/matter was created.[/quote]How does a hypothesis any more than a theory prove anything? Right when everybody except me finally bows the knee to the god of uncertainty, because apparently the most powerful entity around IS uncertainty, here comes Chris talkin all certain n stuff.
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You do know that the Hypothesis of Primeval Atom = Big Bang Theory?
The name Big Bang Theory came about by atheist scientists who were making fun of the person who came up with the Hypothesis of Primeval Atom, that is the one and only Monsignor Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, a Belgian Priest.
I am, Nation,
Your obedient Servant,
Chris IV
You’ve been dyin to tell somebody this for weeks haven’t ya Chris? Yer missin my point though. A theory by definition is not proof of anything. And what’s with this obedient servant stuff? Yer not goin all weird on me now are ya?.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
You’ve been dyin to tell somebody this for weeks haven’t ya Chris? Yer missin my point though. A theory by definition is not proof of anything. And what’s with this obedient servant stuff? Yer not goin all weird on me now are ya?.
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No, I have been telling people this for about a year now. Okay, but it is science with ample proof. Are you now advocating for an infinite universe?
Picked it up from Blessed John Henry Cardinal Newman (http://www.newmanreader.org/) when I first started reading his letters in Apologia.
I am, Nation,
Your obedient Servant.
Chris IV
Plus, Jesus told us always to come as a servant.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
How does Chris know either of these things?[/quote]
On a completely scientific basis (which by the way is never without basis in the truth that G-d is real)…Because I was a mathematician. And, the Big Bang Theory already proved that energy/matter was created.
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If you were a mathematician, you should have learned that theories SUGGEST, they don’t PROVE.
The big bang theory say little to nothing about how the universe was created. It only describes the evolution of the universe.
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
How does Chris know either of these things?[/quote]
On a completely scientific basis (which by the way is never without basis in the truth that G-d is real)…Because I was a mathematician. And, the Big Bang Theory already proved that energy/matter was created.
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If you were a mathematician, you should have learned that theories SUGGEST, they don’t PROVE.[/quote]
Okay, my bad. If the theory is true then it proves. But, I retract my earlier mispoken words.
And, the Hypothesis of Primeval Atom SUGGESTS energy/matter was created. The 2nd law of thermodynamics proves that if energy/matter wasn’t created and the universe was infinite we’d experience heat death before we were born.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
The big bang theory say little to nothing about how the universe was created. It only describes the evolution of the universe.[/quote]
No, but it describes that it began to exist. And, that is all I need. Because from there we know that what began to exist needs an adequate cause for its existence, and therefore the universe had an adequate cause. And, from this argument we can know four things about that cause:
- Immaterial
- Eternal
- Powerful and Intelligent, and
- Personal
That is four things that Catholics see only G-d having, no other being except the Catholic G-d has those characteristics at once.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
The big bang theory say little to nothing about how the universe was created. It only describes the evolution of the universe.[/quote]
No, but it describes that it began to exist. And, that is all I need. Because from there we know that what began to exist needs an adequate cause for its existence, and therefore the universe had an adequate cause. And, from this argument we can know four things about that cause:
- Immaterial
- Eternal
- Powerful and Intelligent, and
- Personal
That is four things that Catholics see only G-d having, no other being except the Catholic G-d has those characteristics at once.[/quote]
I believe that there was an uncaused cause too. I just don’t have any reason to think that He started it with our universe as we know it. It could have been a multiverse that started a long before the universe we know came into being. But that’s not a metaphysical or spiritual question, that’s a question that I believe is more scientific in nature.
I see how you came up with the first 3, would about number 4, the personal God part?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
How does Chris know either of these things?[/quote]
On a completely scientific basis (which by the way is never without basis in the truth that G-d is real)…Because I was a mathematician. And, the Big Bang Theory already proved that energy/matter was created.
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If you were a mathematician, you should have learned that theories SUGGEST, they don’t PROVE.[/quote]
Okay, my bad. If the theory is true then it proves. But, I retract my earlier mispoken words.
And, the Hypothesis of Primeval Atom SUGGESTS energy/matter was created. The 2nd law of thermodynamics proves that if energy/matter wasn’t created and the universe was infinite we’d experience heat death before we were born.[/quote]
Agreed. One of the many reasons why an infinite regress is nonsense, at least if we can trust our limited human intellectual faculties to handle such monumental questions appropriately.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because I was a mathematician.
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You are so full of shit I cant believe it. Of course you are a mathematician Mr.21 years old Jesus freak/business student. Oh no you WERE a mathematician. LOLOLOL. You are by far the most pathetic person I have ever encountered
You don’t know shit
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]smh23 wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
How does Chris know either of these things?[/quote]
On a completely scientific basis (which by the way is never without basis in the truth that G-d is real)…Because I was a mathematician. And, the Big Bang Theory already proved that energy/matter was created.
[/quote]If you were a mathematician, you should have learned that theories SUGGEST, they don’t PROVE.[/quote]
Okay, my bad. If the theory is true then it proves. But, I retract my earlier misspoken words.[/quote]OK, I see how it is. You’ll retract it for him, but not me. Fine Chris. I’m takin my marbles and goin home.
[quote]jasmincar wrote:
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Because I was a mathematician. [/quote]
You are so full of shit I cant believe it. Of course you are a mathematician Mr.21 years old Jesus freak/business student. Oh no you WERE a mathematician. LOLOLOL. You are by far the most pathetic person I have ever encountered
You don’t know shit[/quote]I don’t believe I can let this kinda unfounded disparaging treatment of my friend Chris go unchecked. The mathematician thing may be a bit overstated and we disagree about A WHOLE LOT, but he is not pathetic, stupid or even ignorant for his age. While wrong about a great many things in my estimation, I regard him as one of the most substantive people here. Your very transparent hostility is primarily toward God and not him.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Is a fractal a type of infinite regress or is my concept of infinite regress way off?[/quote]
Like a mirror of a mirror? That’s not the same thing, you’re not removing anything. Often times scientific and math theories will have names that to accurately describe what they are, but more what they look like. For example, ‘Null Theory’, or ‘Chaos Theory’…There is actually no null and no chaos…
Pat, how could the cosmological theory be true if nothing physical exists? The whole purpose of the theory is to explain how the physical universe came into being.
You claim that the cosmological theory hasn’t been proven wrong, but the same is true of many other philosophical theories. Failing to prove something wrong doesn’t prove it right. Many of the philosophical theories are mutually exclusive, so logically not all of them can be right, even though they haven’t yet been proven wrong.
I’m still waiting for an absolute proof that matter/energy was created. I’ve read theories, but nobody has conclusively proven this, and in fact the first law of thermodynamics says it is impossible.