Lol, I still can’t get over how ignorant you are RyuuKyuzo. Thanks for the laughs.
[quote]cjbuhagr wrote:
In short, you’re a troll, and it saddens me that people with your moronic views still exist in this country.
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Welcome to PWI. Ryu is still fairly new, he hasn’t quite figured out the subtleties of trolling like some of the Masters like Head Hunter and ConservativeDog. I have faith in him though.
[quote]cjbuhagr wrote:
I have been a member of T-Nation since 2008. I have not posted on the message boards since that time, when I asked for advice in the “Beginners” thread on improving my leg press strength and not getting “fat” while bulking. (Yep. It happened.) However, after reading this post I felt compelled to respond.
RyuuKyuzo, you are fucking insane. You have spouted some of the vilest doggerel I have ever had the misfortune of reading and I would like to refute just a spoonful of the bullshit you have seen fit to dole out by the shovelful. Exhibit A:
“Do you wish your ancestors hadn’t been bought and brought to America? Hell, there’s still slavery in Africa today, post-colonialism. Had Europe never touched Africa, then as the descendant of a slave, there’s a strong possibility that you’d be a slave in Africa right now. So, are you bitter towards the trans-Atlantic slave trade?”
Do you really think that the current socioeconomic status that Prof X (or any person of sub-Saharan African ancestry) enjoys is due to the “gift” of European colonialism and the transatlantic slave trade? What about his own personal contributions to his success; those of his family; his neighborhood; etc.? Why are these factors being discounted?
Perhaps more importantly, you are legitimizing slavery, and all the horrors that went with it, because (hundreds of years later) it allegedly “improved” the socioeconomic status of those people descended from African slaves - as though improving the fortunes of the savage heathen was the long-term goal all along. It wasn’t - income in the form of rum, cotton, sugarcane, rubber, gold and diamonds was, you pompous asshole.
Black Americans who are fortunate enough to make a good living do so because they bust their asses to make it happen, and because a million people marched on Washington to protest discrimination in the 1960s; because of Freedom Riders and the bus boycotts…not because your noble European conquistadors brought them the shining light of civilization in the form of slavery, servitude, and economic and cultural rape. (Yes, I am co-opting Prof X’s term, because it is both fitting and accurate when one is describing crimes on such a vast scale. Moron.)
A few more minor, but no less problematic, points:
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The SAT is not a test of intelligence, nor has it ever been. The test is reductive and simplistic, like all standardized tests, and like all standardized tests it assumes a supremely narrow view of what “educated” is (more on that in a moment). Further, the president of the College Board (the company which administers the goddamn test) has himself called it “flawed”. Lastly, the test does not claim to measure intelligence; it claims to measure preparedness for college success and educational attainment, and even its claims in that regard are dubious at best.
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IQ is not a 1:1 indicator of intelligence; it is, much like standardized tests, more like a barometer for accumulated cultural learning (which is itself biased in favor of the power group writing the goddamn test). You brought up this supposed IQ disparity several times over the course of this thread- for the record, your studies are shit, and poorly conducted science.
You seem to be molding the evidence to conform to your beliefs, not the other way around, which is the antithesis of your supposedly scientific proof that darker-skinned races have inferior intelligence. (Or maybe you just think that black people have lower intelligence. At this point, I don’t care.)
- The archaeological and linguistic evidence for the Afrocentrist model of classical culture is poor, but your shrill bitching that “EVERYBODY ELSE WAS LIVING IN CAVES UNTIL WE CIVILIZED YOU” is even more poorly supported. For counterexamples, I would direct you to the stories of Sheba and the Great Zimbabwe culture, Jugurtha of Numidia, and the entire history of Ethiopia.
In short, you’re a troll, and it saddens me that people with your moronic views still exist in this country.
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You should post more often.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
You should post more often.[/quote]
Seriously…and I’m glad for any thread that can pull out good thinkers and writers.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
I have a serious question that I hope can be taken at face value and not dug apart, but it requires probably an answer from X. I’ll state ahead of time this is naivety on my part.
When I was in South Dakota, one of the closest families to my own was a black family. They made and served a number of delicious meals and such, and I had never known of them - or had them since - that time. People joke all the time about collard greens and stuff. Are these part of the Southern culture and was picked up by Blacks during the slave period, or is this actually a legitimate part of Black culture? I don’t know enough about the South to know. I do know Jumbalaya is a southern dish, but not 100% about others. This was in the late 80’s, so about 20 years after the Black culture was able to freely develop.
And Cabbage Patch Kids! I remember those. My sister had a couple. I think the boy version was called “My Buddy and Me” or something.[/quote]
I’m not really sure what your question is. The things you are discussing are cultural food choices and not just “black food choices”. Most people in the south eat similar diets if they bare the same culture.
Ronnie Coleman is still going to eat grits every morning. That’s COUNTRY. It isn’t “black”. That is why he talks like that…he’s “country”…or at least that what we call it.
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
What a faygit you are. “I don’t believe your claims about European IQ distribution” “Well, here’s a source” “LOL there’s validity issues with some of the non-European numbers”
Can you say, N-O-N S-E-Q-U-I-T-U-R?
If you want to debate the methodology used here for the non-Euro numbers, I can do that too, but I can only prove your retarded claims wrong one at a time.[/quote]
The links you posted literally made up most of the “stats”. I am still waiting for that “racist genius” to show up one day on this website…but it never happens.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
What a faygit you are. “I don’t believe your claims about European IQ distribution” “Well, here’s a source” “LOL there’s validity issues with some of the non-European numbers”
Can you say, N-O-N S-E-Q-U-I-T-U-R?
If you want to debate the methodology used here for the non-Euro numbers, I can do that too, but I can only prove your retarded claims wrong one at a time.[/quote]
The links you posted literally made up most of the “stats”. I am still waiting for that “racist genius” to show up one day on this website…but it never happens.[/quote]
Not only were over half of the stats made up, but the other half were based on extremely small sample sizes. 100 or so 15-17 year olds = the IQ of an entire state, huh??
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
People joke all the time about collard greens and stuff. Are these part of the Southern culture and was picked up by Blacks during the slave period, or is this actually a legitimate part of Black culture? I don’t know enough about the South to know. I do know Jumbalaya is a southern dish, but not 100% about others. This was in the late 80’s, so about 20 years after the Black culture was able to freely develop.[/quote]
Collard greens, and mustard greens, and kale and other greens, is part of Southern cuisine. It’s never been exclusive to any race. Many areas of the south have a higher Black population than White population, and I imagine that as families moved up north, there’s an association, in the north, that it’s a “Black” thing. But really it’s just a Southern thing. Personally, I’ve known more Black families that have moved from the South than White families.
Jambalaya was originally a Cajun dish though (not Creole), which is probably best described as a mix of French country cooking + local ingredients from the bayou + imported spices from the Caribbean. The French from Acadia (in Canada) were kicked out, and sent down to southern Louisiana during some disagreement with the government – Acadiens, pronounced with a nice heavy Louisiana French accent basically sounds like “Cajuns”, hence the name.
Creole cooking, in contrast, was the French “city” cooking, the “haute cuisine”, adapted to local ingredients.
Most people lump the two together though.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
People joke all the time about collard greens and stuff. Are these part of the Southern culture and was picked up by Blacks during the slave period, or is this actually a legitimate part of Black culture? I don’t know enough about the South to know. I do know Jumbalaya is a southern dish, but not 100% about others. This was in the late 80’s, so about 20 years after the Black culture was able to freely develop.[/quote]
Collard greens, and mustard greens, and kale and other greens, is part of Southern cuisine. It’s never been exclusive to any race. Many areas of the south have a higher Black population than White population, and I imagine that as families moved up north, there’s an association, in the north, that it’s a “Black” thing. But really it’s just a Southern thing. Personally, I’ve known more Black families that have moved from the South than White families.
Jambalaya was originally a Cajun dish though (not Creole), which is probably best described as a mix of French country cooking + local ingredients from the bayou + imported spices from the Caribbean. The French from Acadia (in Canada) were kicked out, and sent down to southern Louisiana during some disagreement with the government – Acadiens, pronounced with a nice heavy Louisiana French accent basically sounds like “Cajuns”, hence the name.
Creole cooking, in contrast, was the French “city” cooking, the “haute cuisine”, adapted to local ingredients.
Most people lump the two together though.[/quote]
I never knew that, you learn something new everyday. Man I need to get me some Cajun Food. I really love me some boudin (sp).
Actually, my bad, I guess there’s a Creole jambalaya too. It’s made differently than the Cajun jambalaya.
Gumbos also have a very very wide variety of styles, but they do divide basically down the Cajun vs Creole style line.
And… it was the British who kicked them out:
I have the broad strokes, but I really need to work on filling in the details.
What Lo-Rez said. There is a difference in Cajun/Creole cooking (which is a lot French with a little Caribbean)(Coastal Georgia and SC have a similar version also) and Southern cooking. Although the two have been intermingled over time. Also Southern cooking has some elements from several places. Native Americans inspired or taste for bbq and many of our stereotypical southern vegetables and sides like grits. Anglo Heritage inspired much of the basics like milk, breads, butters, eggs, the frying technique and a lot of our larger meal structure comes from there. Africans slaves, who worked a lot as cooks, are responsible for the seasoning and strong flavors. They also are responsible for ribs, because before they figured out how to cook them so well they were considered undesirable cuts and given to the slaves to eat. Same things goes for Chitterlings (chit lens), pigs feet, pigs tongue, chicken gizzards and livers, and some of the other oddities.
I think it got associated with blacks by non-southerners because it spread out of the south most frequently by Blacks. Instead of black cuisine, it really is southern cuisine. Things like fried chicken, greens, squash, okra, catfish, chicken and dumplings, and grits are all very southern, but outside the south are most commonly associated as black.
I tried reading this thread and it made me sad. Culture…White culture? As if those from the Caucasus are anything like the french, like the german, like the swedes…etc, etc. Black culture? You can repeat the previous exercise. Another one is the term latinos. Sure, those from Northern Mexico are the same as Costa Ricans…