Question of the Week

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Paul222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
This is just fucking sad.

What your skin color is shouldn’t matter.

How you act should.

I try to live my life that way.
[/quote]

That’s good…but you can see how much more must be weighing on someone who is constantly told they represent an ENTIRE RACE with their every action and statement.[/quote]
You mean people on this forum who are told that they are part of the “White Power Structure”, and are representative of “White Privilege”?

[/quote]

X2

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[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]Paul222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
This is just fucking sad.

What your skin color is shouldn’t matter.

How you act should.

I try to live my life that way.
[/quote]

That’s good…but you can see how much more must be weighing on someone who is constantly told they represent an ENTIRE RACE with their every action and statement.[/quote]
You mean people on this forum who are told that they are part of the “White Power Structure”, and are representative of “White Privilege”?

[/quote]

X2[/quote]

Let’s be more real than this. No white man is used as an example of the entire white race outside of specific issues of racial conflict.

This is done to minorities in all areas in media, not just when there is specific racial conflict against whites.

No white man is being debated with and held to what some other white man said that he doesn’t even know…just because they are both white.

yet here I get told that I need to defend what Sharpton said somewhere…even though I haven’t heard the man speak in several years even on tv.

No offense, but pretending white people get this treatment is insulting.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Da Man reloaded wrote:

[quote]Paul222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
This is just fucking sad.

What your skin color is shouldn’t matter.

How you act should.

I try to live my life that way.
[/quote]

That’s good…but you can see how much more must be weighing on someone who is constantly told they represent an ENTIRE RACE with their every action and statement.[/quote]
You mean people on this forum who are told that they are part of the “White Power Structure”, and are representative of “White Privilege”?

[/quote]

X2[/quote]

Let’s be more real than this. No white man is used as an example of the entire white race outside of specific issues of racial conflict.

This is done to minorities in all areas in media, not just when there is specific racial conflict against whites.

No white man is being debated with and held to what some other white man said that he doesn’t even know…just because they are both white.

yet here I get told that I need to defend what Sharpton said somewhere…even though I haven’t heard the man speak in several years even on tv.

No offense, but pretending white people get this treatment is insulting.[/quote]

You should only have to defend your own words and actions.

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[quote]2busy wrote:

You should only have to defend your own words and actions.

[/quote]

True…but it doesn’t happen…and is seen as normal.

I have been told in this forum I need to “police my own communities”…even though I live in a mixed community.

I have been told I need to defend what some other black person said that I don’t know and never met.

To have some white men act like the occasional race issue in the media means they get treated the same shows a desire to ignore reality.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

You should only have to defend your own words and actions.

[/quote]

True…but it doesn’t happen…and is seen as normal.

I have been told in this forum I need to “police my own communities”…even though I live in a mixed community.

I have been told I need to defend what some other black person said that I don’t know and never met.

To have some white men act like the occasional race issue in the media means they get treated the same shows a desire to ignore reality.[/quote]

Maybe you should just grow the fuck up and stop caring about what anonymous people on an Internet forum tell you. Why do you even care?

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

You should only have to defend your own words and actions.

[/quote]

True…but it doesn’t happen…and is seen as normal.

I have been told in this forum I need to “police my own communities”…even though I live in a mixed community.

I have been told I need to defend what some other black person said that I don’t know and never met.

To have some white men act like the occasional race issue in the media means they get treated the same shows a desire to ignore reality.[/quote]

Maybe you should just grow the fuck up and stop caring about what anonymous people on an Internet forum tell you. Why do you even care?[/quote]

We aren’t talking about just on this forum…and if you hadn’t noticed, this is a very large social issue…which is why I care.

Why would you jump into this thread if you didn’t care about the discussion?

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Why there is some kind of Black or White community ?

Because that is the narrative pushed by people like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.

Not just a narrative, but civil action on only one behalf.

Do you see these guys when Whites are killed by blacks ?

Do you see Obama speaking out when Whites are killed ?

Zimmerman is Latino, but the media labeled him a White-Latino to maintain their narrative.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:

You should only have to defend your own words and actions.

[/quote]

True…but it doesn’t happen…and is seen as normal.

I have been told in this forum I need to “police my own communities”…even though I live in a mixed community.

I have been told I need to defend what some other black person said that I don’t know and never met.

To have some white men act like the occasional race issue in the media means they get treated the same shows a desire to ignore reality.[/quote]

Look…

If white people are not allowed to speak about the black experience…

Cuz datz racissss!!!

Black people who made something out of themselves are pretty much the only ones left.

True, you would be called an Uncle Tom, charming, but everyone not crossing the melanin threshold is simply ignored and ridiculed.

So, if a lot of black people want to shut themselves in into some perception ghetto, who has a realistic chance of breaking through?

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So I took the time to answer the questions that were asked, and the response was ignored… awesome.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
You should only have to defend your own words and actions.
[/quote]
True…but it doesn’t happen…and is seen as normal.

I have been told in this forum I need to “police my own communities”…even though I live in a mixed community.

I have been told I need to defend what some other black person said that I don’t know and never met.
[/quote]
Hypothesis: this stems from a practical need for a certain amount of racial profiling to combat crime, combined with a subconscious feeling of guilt because of the inconvenience and discomfort that such racial profiling will or would inflict on innocent members of the profiled group(s). The feeling of guilt is alleviated by convincing oneself that the innocent members of the profiled group(s) are at fault for not policing the guilty members of the profiled group(s).

Sometimes the truth just sucks.

EDIT p.s. I’m not ok with people being pulled over just for D.W.B. in a nice-looking vehicle. Profiling actions should be tempered and limited by a respect for individual human rights. But any kind of profiling is going to be a pain the the a__ to some degree for non-guilty parties who fit the profile. And rather than face that truth, some people convince themselves that the non-guilty parties who are profiled are at fault in some way.

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[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
The community is a broad generalization as the fact, that when push comes to shove, everyone identifies with those most similar to them. Blacks will always identify moreso with other blacks and whites with whites, etc etc. Not to say that in every day life, in normal people there is this massive division, but its instinctual to congregate around those similar to you.

Then consider social standing, are you lower, middle, or upper class. Because you are able to afford ‘x’ you usually live in a certain area. That makes you more “related” to those in that area, ie you’ll identify with folks in that area. Social standing can transcend heritage, and sadly, for many it does. Upper class will have a hard time socializing with lower class for longer periods. They’ll enjoy different things or in different ways. Unless that upper class person comes from lower class, and remains humble, they most likely won’t ever go to “that level” so associate.

So assume you have an Asian middle class person. They will associate with other Asians in the middle class, if available. If there are no Asians in their area in the middle class, they will more than likely seek out the “Asian community” to maintain their heritage. Like in my town, there is a small Japanese community. The folks all get together and spend time, but all are middle or upper class. Assuming a lower class Japanese person, they too would be included. But when they go home to their own neighborhoods, the upper class will be part of the upper class community and the lower class a part of the lower class community.

“Community” is transcendable or transferable at the individual level, but they do in fact exist. Individuals are considered “representatives” of the community to which they can be identified by the masses or in generalizations. I am a foreigner in Japan, I am a “representative” of the USA, even though I don’t work for the government and am not here for international relations. BUT, because I am the only American many Japanese will interact with, they will form their opinion of Americans and America on me. I had one of my Japanese students go to Disney World for her honeymoon. She came back in shock (still enjoyed herself), because America is nothing like what I had been portraying while in Japan - not everyone is a gentleman, caring, and willing to go out of their way to help - her words, not mine.

So as much as it sucks, black people are representatives of the black community as much as I am a representative of the white community. And only in generalizations is this brought up. On the individual level you are just a person, but there are greater dynamics involved.
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I think this literally addresses the semantic question of community, but doesn’t quite address the heart of the issue(s) the OP has in mind.

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[quote]Paul222 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]2busy wrote:
This is just fucking sad.

What your skin color is shouldn’t matter.

How you act should.

I try to live my life that way.
[/quote]
That’s good…but you can see how much more must be weighing on someone who is constantly told they represent an ENTIRE RACE with their every action and statement.
[/quote]
You mean people on this forum who are told that they are part of the “White Power Structure”, and are representative of “White Privilege”?
[/quote]
This is a legitimate grievance. But it is not a mirror image of the OP’s grievance.

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There is no “black community”. There used to be, but government hand-outs babied blacks until their sense of community was demolished.

It’s a shame, really.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
There is no “black community”. There used to be, but government hand-outs babied blacks until their sense of community was demolished.

It’s a shame, really. [/quote]

This is one truly racist and condescending statement.

Want to know why?

First, your question begs the further investigation of what the WHITE community is doing and it’s “sense of community”.

You are literally speaking as if all blacks are one entity.

My sense of community is just fine.

I have not been “babied” by anyone.

Further, how would you know anything about what most blacks believe or think of their communities?

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Prof X: What is the black community?

Me: There is no black community.

Prof X: OMG HOW DARE YOU LUMP US ALL TOGETHER LIKE THAT?

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Prof X: What is the black community?

Me: There is no black community.

Prof X: OMG HOW DARE YOU LUMP US ALL TOGETHER LIKE THAT?[/quote]

There are black universities, a black cable channel, a united black college fund.

But it is perception, not reality.

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[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Prof X: What is the black community?

Me: There is no black community.

Prof X: OMG HOW DARE YOU LUMP US ALL TOGETHER LIKE THAT?[/quote]

Wow…I gave you more credit than that.

This is really the level you respond at?

Blacks are “babied”?

Really? I was babied?

Could you explain in detail how I was “babied”…if you have the skills to do so.

Right now, I am betting your witty responses are pretty much all “gifs and cat pics”…ie, shit other people thought of.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
Prof X: What is the black community?

Me: There is no black community.

Prof X: OMG HOW DARE YOU LUMP US ALL TOGETHER LIKE THAT?[/quote]

Wow…I gave you more credit than that.

This is really the level you respond at?

Blacks are “babied”?

Really? I was babied?

Could you explain in detail how I was “babied”…if you have the skills to do so.

Right now, I am betting your witty responses are pretty much all “gifs and cat pics”…ie, shit other people thought of.[/quote]

Nothing I posted was a gif or a cat pic, and I wrote the meme I posted.

Also, nothing in the post you’re responding to here is about blacks being babied. I mean, I get why you’d want me to expand on that point, but your juxtaposition is all fucked up.

Furthermore, I just implicitly called you hypocritical, and in the next post I accused you of having a fair-whether ad-hoc ideology. You didn’t take issue with either of these things. Does that mean you admit to it, or were you just too stupid to pick up on it?

I’ll tell you what, because I’m such a nice guy, I’ll go back and give you a point-by-point response.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RyuuKyuzo wrote:
There is no “black community”. There used to be, but government hand-outs babied blacks until their sense of community was demolished.

It’s a shame, really. [/quote]

This is one truly racist and condescending statement. [/quote]

Woah, slow down there, bucko. If you’re already throwing around the term “racist”, you’re going to be fucked when it comes time to label my posts after I break out the real racist stuff.

[quote]
Want to know why? [/quote]

Oh-ho I bet you’ll tell me.

[quote]
First, your question begs the further investigation of what the WHITE community is doing and it’s “sense of community”. [/quote]

No it doesn’t, but if you want to know, the white community is in a slow and steady process of utterly demolishing it’s own identity.

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You are literally speaking as if all blacks are one entity. [/quote]

Hey, you brought up the term “black community”, not me. Just the opposite, I said there was no “black community”. My view of blacks is way more individualist than yours =)

[quote]
My sense of community is just fine. [/quote]

Yeah, the black sense of community is real swell. Hey, did you know that blacks perpetrate about 50% of homicides in the US? Hey, did you know that blacks make up about 49% of murder victims in the US? Hey, did you know that 93% of those murder victims overlap with the previously mentioned ~50%?

Your community members can’t go one day without pumping at least 20 other of your community members full of lead (to death. The non-lethal numbers are a fuck of a lot higher).

Some community.

[quote]
I have not been “babied” by anyone. [/quote]

I don’t care about your personal story, but lets not pretend shit like affirmative action/welfare/food stamps doesn’t exist.

[quote]
Further, how would you know anything about what most blacks believe or think of their communities?[/quote]

Or in other words, “Standpoint theory is valid when it makes the claims I like unfalsifiable, but invalid when it makes the claims I dislike unfalsifiable.”

All right, I’ll play. Really, what you’re asking is an empirical question that can be answered by observing black behaviours.

For starters, 95% of you people vote democrat, and vote in record numbers when the democratic candidate is part black and identifies as black.

Also, 83% of blacks identify as Christian.

Clearly there’s an enormous amount of conformity in the negro zeitgeist.

So, there’s beliefs covered. As for what they think of their communities, I could write a book outlining how blacks contribute to the tragedy of the commons more than any other group. I mean, if there is a black sense of community, it’s either entrenched in apathy or drowning in intra-hostility.