I heard if you masterbate to porn you grow hair on your palms
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
DoubleDuce & jbpick86
I complete respect that stance. Maybe it’s just how my brain works, I don’t know. I also have a different perspective on religion than many do, I don’t want to start a crazy derailment so I’ll just leave it at that.
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I also believe good wholesome religious morality is the best way to “secular” happiness too. Which is why I don’t really see the 2 as different. Religion is inherently meant to adjust and perfect the all of you, including the secular parts. And any morality is inherently religious in nature.
You believe what you do, not what hold in your head as ideal.
Do you believe Christianity stands in opposition to physical happiness?[/quote]
I beleive that a beleif in God is mean’t to adjust and perfect the all of you, but I’m not convinced that religion is.
I find some of the rules in Christianity and other religions to be arbitrary and I find it hard to believe they are dervied from God and not man.
I don’t beleive Christianity purposefully stands opposition to physical happiness. [/quote]
Okay, so what do you believe the intent is then?
Which rules?[/quote]
I believe the intent of Christianity is to facilitate a better relationship with God.
Like I said, I really don’t want to get into a religious debate here. [/quote]
Just curious. Not meaning to start a debate.[/quote]
No, I know. I just also know how these things end up 
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
lol. The parental relationship was used as a metaphor. As such it’s imperfect. The flaw is that you’re will for your child isn’t perfect and all knowing. [/quote]
This does not explain how you know that porn treats women like shit.
It does not explain why you see porn as EVIL.
You used a metaphore that several people have now told you does NOT work.
Please explains how you know women are treated like shit and in what way porn is EVIL.[/quote]
How do you know that it is not? How do you know that war is evil?[/quote]
War isn’t “evil”. I never said it was. War can bring bad things, but war in itself is not “evil”.
How do I know that women are not treated like shit?
I don’t know that ALL women on the planet are not treated that way…but I surely DO know that there is too much porn being made in America with too many behind the scenes filming for anyone to say that is the general way porn goes in this country…unless filming in someone’s garage.[/quote]
Okay, how do you define evil?[/quote]
Something purely devoid of any goodness or possible beneficial long term outcome.
…and for the record, I do not agree with prostitution being “illegal”…unless purely on the basis of needing a “business license”.
A woman should be free to do with her body as she pleases.
I personally would not care in the least if some guy opened “Chad’s Body Fun House” where women could rent “Chad” for the evening. I would wish him good luck and look to see if it pans out…and then if it does, open “Prof X’s Mind and Body X-plosion”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hold some of the same thoughts but with a stronger belief in God…for instance…DON’T HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE.
Wow, that sounded great 200+ years ago when most people were married by the age of 16.
It sounds pathological in a society where people don’t get married until 30 or later.
Yet no one wants to discuss things like that.[/quote]
I would like to hear more opinions on this one.
I don’t know even one couple where the guy or wife waited until marriage to have sex ever unless they were boy friend and girlfriend since high school and married very early.
Is this idea out of tune with our current society…or is a Christian guy really supposed to not have sex until marriage even if he waits until 40 to get married?
I think I would be more worried about the guy who never had sex that long.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hold some of the same thoughts but with a stronger belief in God…for instance…DON’T HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE.
Wow, that sounded great 200+ years ago when most people were married by the age of 16.
It sounds pathological in a society where people don’t get married until 30 or later.
Yet no one wants to discuss things like that.[/quote]
I would like to hear more opinions on this one.
I don’t know even one couple where the guy or wife waited until marriage to have sex ever unless they were boy friend and girlfriend since high school and married very early.
Is this idea out of tune with our current society…or is a Christian guy really supposed to not have sex until marriage even if he waits until 40 to get married?
I think I would be more worried about the guy who never had sex that long.[/quote]
My wife and I waited. I had sex before our relationship, she didnt, and we waited till marriage with our relationship. And yes it is waaaay out of tune with our society. But then again alot of Christian beliefs are out of tune with today’s society
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hold some of the same thoughts but with a stronger belief in God…for instance…DON’T HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE.
Wow, that sounded great 200+ years ago when most people were married by the age of 16.
It sounds pathological in a society where people don’t get married until 30 or later.
Yet no one wants to discuss things like that.[/quote]
I would like to hear more opinions on this one.
I don’t know even one couple where the guy or wife waited until marriage to have sex ever unless they were boy friend and girlfriend since high school and married very early.
Is this idea out of tune with our current society…or is a Christian guy really supposed to not have sex until marriage even if he waits until 40 to get married?
I think I would be more worried about the guy who never had sex that long.[/quote]
Ya, this is one of the can of worms I mentioned earlier. I think the “rule” of waiting until marriage is a purely religious concept not derived from God.
I mean being all knowing God knew how things would change, like not marrying until later for example, so why give us the sex impulse knowing 99% would not be able to avoid this sin.
To borrow an old Marine Corps. saying, He set us up for failure. I don’t believe God would do that.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hold some of the same thoughts but with a stronger belief in God…for instance…DON’T HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE.
Wow, that sounded great 200+ years ago when most people were married by the age of 16.
It sounds pathological in a society where people don’t get married until 30 or later.
Yet no one wants to discuss things like that.[/quote]
I would like to hear more opinions on this one.
I don’t know even one couple where the guy or wife waited until marriage to have sex ever unless they were boy friend and girlfriend since high school and married very early.
Is this idea out of tune with our current society…or is a Christian guy really supposed to not have sex until marriage even if he waits until 40 to get married?
I think I would be more worried about the guy who never had sex that long.[/quote]
I think the idea of waiting went out when people started to realize that sex isn’t some scandalous taboo subject. Personally, I would not have been able to get married had I not first known if my wife and I were sexually compatible. That’s a good way to end up wanting more out of a relationship than your partner can offer.
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hold some of the same thoughts but with a stronger belief in God…for instance…DON’T HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE.
Wow, that sounded great 200+ years ago when most people were married by the age of 16.
It sounds pathological in a society where people don’t get married until 30 or later.
Yet no one wants to discuss things like that.[/quote]
I would like to hear more opinions on this one.
I don’t know even one couple where the guy or wife waited until marriage to have sex ever unless they were boy friend and girlfriend since high school and married very early.
Is this idea out of tune with our current society…or is a Christian guy really supposed to not have sex until marriage even if he waits until 40 to get married?
I think I would be more worried about the guy who never had sex that long.[/quote]
I think the idea of waiting went out when people started to realize that sex isn’t some scandalous taboo subject. Personally, I would not have been able to get married had I not first known if my wife and I were sexually compatible. That’s a good way to end up wanting more out of a relationship than your partner can offer. [/quote]
Things like this can be hard for Christians to rationalize…because it would mean that some of the things in the Bible are purely a construction of man alone.
Yes, waiting until marriage makes sense IF YOU GET MARRIED AT 16.
It makes no sense at all in a society like this and would actually mean SOCIAL DYSFUNCTION…not spiritual wellness.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hold some of the same thoughts but with a stronger belief in God…for instance…DON’T HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE.
Wow, that sounded great 200+ years ago when most people were married by the age of 16.
It sounds pathological in a society where people don’t get married until 30 or later.
Yet no one wants to discuss things like that.[/quote]
I would like to hear more opinions on this one.
I don’t know even one couple where the guy or wife waited until marriage to have sex ever unless they were boy friend and girlfriend since high school and married very early.
Is this idea out of tune with our current society…or is a Christian guy really supposed to not have sex until marriage even if he waits until 40 to get married?
I think I would be more worried about the guy who never had sex that long.[/quote]
Ya, this is one of the can of worms I mentioned earlier. I think the “rule” of waiting until marriage is a purely religious concept not derived from God.
I mean being all knowing God knew how things would change, like not marrying until later for example, so why give us the sex impulse knowing 99% would not be able to avoid this sin.
To borrow an old Marine Corps. saying, He set us up for failure. I don’t believe God would do that. [/quote]
Just because something is difficult or extraordinarily tempting doesn’t make it right.
And actually if you believe the whole Bible is the inspired word of God then he actually does say that sex before marriage is wrong.
Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 19 helpful votes
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
And I would say porn relates to this one.
Matthew 5:28
But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Just because something is extraordinarily tempting and difficult to obstain from doesn’t make it right. Look at the temptation of Job or the martyrs that were probably extremely tempted to denounce Christ so that they wouldn’t be fed to lions, set on fire, crucified, or stoned. Or recently the girl at Columbine where 17 year old Cassie Bernall said “Yes, I believe in God” while looking down the barrel of a gun that then took her life.
That kind of makes “but she was looking so fine I had to get me some” sort of temptation not seem so hard in retrospect doesn’t it?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hold some of the same thoughts but with a stronger belief in God…for instance…DON’T HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE.
Wow, that sounded great 200+ years ago when most people were married by the age of 16.
It sounds pathological in a society where people don’t get married until 30 or later.
Yet no one wants to discuss things like that.[/quote]
I would like to hear more opinions on this one.
I don’t know even one couple where the guy or wife waited until marriage to have sex ever unless they were boy friend and girlfriend since high school and married very early.
Is this idea out of tune with our current society…or is a Christian guy really supposed to not have sex until marriage even if he waits until 40 to get married?
I think I would be more worried about the guy who never had sex that long.[/quote]
Ya, this is one of the can of worms I mentioned earlier. I think the “rule” of waiting until marriage is a purely religious concept not derived from God.
I mean being all knowing God knew how things would change, like not marrying until later for example, so why give us the sex impulse knowing 99% would not be able to avoid this sin.
To borrow an old Marine Corps. saying, He set us up for failure. I don’t believe God would do that. [/quote]
Just because something is difficult or extraordinarily tempting doesn’t make it right.
And actually if you believe the whole Bible is the inspired word of God then he actually does say that sex before marriage is wrong.
Hebrews 13:4 ESV / 19 helpful votes
Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.
And I would say porn relates to this one.
Matthew 5:28
But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Just because something is extraordinarily tempting and difficult to obstain from doesn’t make it right. Look at the temptation of Job or the martyrs that were probably extremely tempted to denounce Christ so that they wouldn’t be fed to lions, set on fire, crucified, or stoned. Or recently the girl at Columbine where 17 year old Cassie Bernall said “Yes, I believe in God” while looking down the barrel of a gun that then took her life.
That kind of makes “but she was looking so fine I had to get me some” sort of temptation not seem so hard in retrospect doesn’t it?[/quote]
Ya, this is exactly why I didn’t want to get into it, because I don’t believe the bible in it’s entirety is THE word of God. Inspired by God, in most cases yes. I mean have you ever played the telephone game? The message is ALWAYS differnt by the end of the game, now multiply that by a couple thousand years. I can’t accept that even what Jesus supposedly said is accurate. Then add in translation issues… No to me, it’s better to use the bible and religion as a guide, but to come to your own conclusions based on your personal relationship with God.
As far as Matthew 5:28 goes, I do this every time I see a woman and it’s automatic…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hold some of the same thoughts but with a stronger belief in God…for instance…DON’T HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE.
Wow, that sounded great 200+ years ago when most people were married by the age of 16.
It sounds pathological in a society where people don’t get married until 30 or later.
Yet no one wants to discuss things like that.[/quote]
I would like to hear more opinions on this one.
I don’t know even one couple where the guy or wife waited until marriage to have sex ever unless they were boy friend and girlfriend since high school and married very early.
Is this idea out of tune with our current society…or is a Christian guy really supposed to not have sex until marriage even if he waits until 40 to get married?
I think I would be more worried about the guy who never had sex that long.[/quote]
I think the idea of waiting went out when people started to realize that sex isn’t some scandalous taboo subject. Personally, I would not have been able to get married had I not first known if my wife and I were sexually compatible. That’s a good way to end up wanting more out of a relationship than your partner can offer. [/quote]
Things like this can be hard for Christians to rationalize…because it would mean that some of the things in the Bible are purely a construction of man alone.
Yes, waiting until marriage makes sense IF YOU GET MARRIED AT 16.
It makes no sense at all in a society like this and would actually mean SOCIAL DYSFUNCTION…not spiritual wellness.[/quote]
Its not really that hard to rationalize. Sexual impurity is one of the more talked about sins in the Bible so there is plenty of verses against it in there. Most Christians try to rationalize why its ok, along with a lot of other things that go against Biblical teaching that are inconvenient to follow in today’s society.
I wish that I had been a virgin when I was married. I wish that I hadn’t had sex with my wife up to that point. Looking back, no sexual encounter I had really benefitted my life in any way except temporary pleasure and for me looking back, that seems kind of a hollow reason to sin against my God, my wife, and my own body.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
As far as Matthew 5:28 goes, I do this every time I see a woman and it’s automatic…[/quote]
…which confounds the issue.
What is meant exactly by “lustfull intent”?
Doesn’t that happen biologically without us doing much?
How do you go to the beach and avoid this?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Its not really that hard to rationalize. Sexual impurity is one of the more talked about sins in the Bible so there is plenty of verses against it in there. Most Christians try to rationalize why its ok, along with a lot of other things that go against Biblical teaching that are inconvenient to follow in today’s society.
I wish that I had been a virgin when I was married. I wish that I hadn’t had sex with my wife up to that point. Looking back, no sexual encounter I had really benefitted my life in any way except temporary pleasure and for me looking back, that seems kind of a hollow reason to sin against my God, my wife, and my own body.[/quote]
But this doesn’t explain how a man in this day and age is supposed to wait until marriage when most people don’t get married until their 30’s.
No offense, but the average man waiting until 30 to have sex isn’t just uncommon it defies our own biology.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
To borrow an old Marine Corps. saying, He set us up for failure. I don’t believe God would do that. [/quote]
I’m not particularly religious in any sort of traditional sense, but I would imagine that setting us up for failure would make sense in that you can’t truly have faith without having to put some effort into it.
Without sin, without a propensity to fail, there would be no need to know of God while on Earth, no?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
As far as Matthew 5:28 goes, I do this every time I see a woman and it’s automatic…[/quote]
…which confounds the issue.
What is meant exactly by “lustfull intent”?
Doesn’t that happen biologically without us doing much?
How do you go to the beach and avoid this?[/quote]
I do believe their is a difference in acknowledging someone’s beauty and imagining what it would be like to take them to bed. The latter is the sin. I think if you don’t believe everything in the Bible to be true then you can get into cherry picking situations where anything that you deem to difficult to adhere to is probably a translation error and this can lead you down a very dangerous path as a Christian.
No here is the question of the week.
Is this photoshopped?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I do believe their is a difference in acknowledging someone’s beauty and imagining what it would be like to take them to bed. The latter is the sin.[/quote]
Real talk…in high school, how much did it take to get an erection?
Did you even have to “lust”?
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I think if you don’t believe everything in the Bible to be true then you can get into cherry picking situations where anything that you deem to difficult to adhere to is probably a translation error and this can lead you down a very dangerous path as a Christian. [/quote]
I am not saying “untrue”…more an acknowledgement that the Bible was still; written by MEN…so there is some bias and some statement of social issues at that time.
Did they really imagine a time where men would wait until marriage pass the age of 35? Probably not on a grand scale considering you were old if you weren’t married by 18 back then.
That isn’t saying what is written is a lie. It is that some may see it more as a moral “statement” or teaching device instead of “no man is really supposed to have sex until marriage”.
In this day and age, that would make someone out of touch with social issues…and likely not a good match anyway.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
To borrow an old Marine Corps. saying, He set us up for failure. I don’t believe God would do that. [/quote]
I’m not particularly religious in any sort of traditional sense, but I would imagine that setting us up for failure would make sense in that you can’t truly have faith without having to put some effort into it.
Without sin, without a propensity to fail, there would be no need to know of God while on Earth, no?[/quote]
Ya, I suppose that’s one way to look at it. I just think it’s so easy to fail, in this sin, that we fallible creature don’t need the help
That very well could have been Gods intent though; I certainly don’t claim to know.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
No here is the question of the week.
Is this photoshopped? [/quote]
Thanks Derek, pretty sure I just sinned…