Question for the Obama Haters

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Sifu wrote:
Here’s another example of his flip flopping. All his adult life he has advocated for worldwide nuclear disarmament. It’s in his election manifesto and his college thesis was on Russian nuclear disarmament.

But when he wanted to sound tough during the Democratic debate he said he would use nuclear weapons in Afghanistan and in the Pashtun tribal areas of Pakistan.
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I’m pretty sure he never said anything about use of NUCLEAR weapons in Afghanistan or Pakistan. In fact, I’m virtually positive.

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What is this but evidence of his sociopathy?

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I’ve listened to the Obama radio ads here in Florida. Anybody with half a brain can see right through the illogic and see how deceitful they are. I find them disgusting, and I don’t even like McCain. Since Obama approves of the ads, I must assume he approves of lying and distorting the truth.

That would him, what? a Republican?

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[quote]100meters wrote:

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll?
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We have already established that you have not read anything from credible economist and don’t know shit about basic economic principles. Why do you continue to make this argument?

where did he say that?

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What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it![/quote]

you’re a complete idiot. i don’t know what else to say about this garbage.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
forlife wrote:
JASE72 wrote:

what difference does it make weather your in the top 5% or not? The simple fact is this, those who are in the 5% have the same rights to do whatever they want with their money.

They worked damn hard (most of them) to get to the top, so why on earth should they “share” their money with the millions of leaches in this country that dont do shit for our country but expect everything!!!
NOBAMA!!!

Like I said, I completely understand why the top 5% don’t like Obama. However, Obama’s tax policies don’t hurt me at all. I have the same right to act in my self-interest as the wealthy do, and fortunately there are enough of us that it looks likely Obama will win next week.

So pretty much you agree that what he wants to do to the “wealthy” is wrong, but it’s not happening to you so f’em.

If that is what you are saying, you are exactly what is wrong with this country. You don’t care about the economy, you don’t care what is right or wrong, you don’t care that the government is exploiting people or have issues with what the government has the right to do, as long as you get yours today.

All I can say is that some day they will be knocking on your door and maybe your neighbors won’t care because it’s not happening to them.

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll?

Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it!

You’re right, McCain isn’t a great economic-minded candidate, at all. Then again, Obama’s socialism-lite is far worse.

Edit: Is Barack Obama really a socialist? - CSMonitor.com

Again, there is NOTHING socialist about returning to the Clinton tax rate on one quintile. Reagan wasn’t a socialist, nor Nixon, nor IKE. All had tax rates higher.

Don’t forget Obama’s programs and initiatives to “spread the wealth.”

For example?[/quote]

Are you kidding? What is it with Obama supporters? They don’t seem to even know what he proposes. I had to go through this same exact thing with another poster. I’ll have to wait until I can view his website (having problems?), so I can provide links to issue pages, apparently.

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[quote]BillO21 wrote:
Let me start by saying I would like there to be 5 parties and candidates to choose from. Rigging an election between two parties is hardly democracy.

I am also not a hater of either person.

McCain wants to cut taxes for the “rich” and Obama wants to raise taxes for the rich.

Think about it, McCain cutting taxes for the rich is actually raising taxes for everyone else. Why should the middle class pay higher taxes than the wealthy?
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this has absolutely no basis in logic or fact. nice job.

[quote]
I see a seperation growing in this country between the classes. This is a very dangerous thing to happen. If people do not have the basics met they do crazy things. Think about it, they have nothing to lose.[/quote]

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[quote]BillO21 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
Let me start by saying I would like there to be 5 parties and candidates to choose from. Rigging an election between two parties is hardly democracy.

I am also not a hater of either person.

McCain wants to cut taxes for the “rich” and Obama wants to raise taxes for the rich.

Think about it, McCain cutting taxes for the rich is actually raising taxes for everyone else. Why should the middle class pay higher taxes than the wealthy?

I see a seperation growing in this country between the classes. This is a very dangerous thing to happen. If people do not have the basics met they do crazy things. Think about it, they have nothing to lose.

I agree with more parties, I for one am completely disenfranchised.

However, the “middle class” will never pay anything close to what the “wealthy” do.

People do crazy things when you start robbing them too. Like take their money and business somewhere else.

True…I was talking about paying more as in percentage. Why should the lower clases pay a higher percentage of their pay in taxes?[/quote]

when have they ever?

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[quote]BillO21 wrote:
snipeout wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Food for thought. The top 1% of wage earners earns twice as much as the bottom 50% does. The top 1% pays 13 times the amount of tax that the bottom 50 does. How much more of the burden should they carry?

I bust my ass working overtime to make 6 figures. If I can do this with no college education and only 5 years of military experience, any one can.

I have never been given anything from any one, I have always paid my bills and saved my money. I detest the fact that one party in this country thinks I need to support the “less fortunate”.

Now, because I bust my ass my wife and son have everything they need and want. Fuck anyone who wants more of my money.

Do you really think baby jesus can add all this new spending and cut taxes for 95% of sheeple?

If you are making less thank 250K you will not have your taxes raised. So if McCain’s plan goes into law you will be paying more of the tax burden.

Your money will go to the poor no matter who is elected.

You seem to be of the sheeple. Actually just the other day BHO said 200K and then Biden stated 150K. I do fall in to the 150K, add my wife and we cross 200K. Again why should the top bear any more burden?

You really believe someone with such a blatant socialist agenda is not going to tax us into double digit interest rates and inflation. This is going to make Jimmy Carter look conservative. Do you also believe the military budget should be cut by 25%?

And If you cut taxes for the rich you are in essence raising the tax burden on the lower classes… Is that fair?
It is the same as raising taxes for the middle class.

I am not an Obama lover… I just dislike hime less than McCain. Do you really want Palin as Pres??? McCain is one lack of a heartbeat away from her taking office… Think about it, In his biggest decision he has made he chose her as his running mate…

And he has been pretty consistan that a family making below 250K will not see a tax increase.
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Your question right back at you. Do you really want some one as far left and in bed with Bill Ayers(an unrepentant domestic terrorist) as your next president? Ayers is a coward and Obama is an even bigger coward for not being truthful about his relationship with him.

Need I bring up Joe Biden in the presidency? The guy is a walking gaffe, why do you think you haven’t heard much from him on the trail. I am always cautious of anything the mainstream media tries to push down my throat.

Last question. What large decision has BHO ever made other than to vote present?

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http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/

Etc., etc. Oh, and Obama would prefer a single-payer healthcare plan. With a Dem congress, who knows.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Food for thought. The top 1% of wage earners earns twice as much as the bottom 50% does. The top 1% pays 13 times the amount of tax that the bottom 50 does. How much more of the burden should they carry?

I bust my ass working overtime to make 6 figures. If I can do this with no college education and only 5 years of military experience, any one can.

I have never been given anything from any one, I have always paid my bills and saved my money. I detest the fact that one party in this country thinks I need to support the “less fortunate”.

Now, because I bust my ass my wife and son have everything they need and want. Fuck anyone who wants more of my money.

Do you really think baby jesus can add all this new spending and cut taxes for 95% of sheeple?[/quote]

If spending is your issue, don’t vote McCain right?

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
snipeout wrote:
BillO21 wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Food for thought. The top 1% of wage earners earns twice as much as the bottom 50% does. The top 1% pays 13 times the amount of tax that the bottom 50 does. How much more of the burden should they carry?

I bust my ass working overtime to make 6 figures. If I can do this with no college education and only 5 years of military experience, any one can.

I have never been given anything from any one, I have always paid my bills and saved my money. I detest the fact that one party in this country thinks I need to support the “less fortunate”.

Now, because I bust my ass my wife and son have everything they need and want. Fuck anyone who wants more of my money.

Do you really think baby jesus can add all this new spending and cut taxes for 95% of sheeple?

If you are making less thank 250K you will not have your taxes raised. So if McCain’s plan goes into law you will be paying more of the tax burden.

Your money will go to the poor no matter who is elected.

You seem to be of the sheeple. Actually just the other day BHO said 200K and then Biden stated 150K. I do fall in to the 150K, add my wife and we cross 200K. Again why should the top bear any more burden?

You really believe someone with such a blatant socialist agenda is not going to tax us into double digit interest rates and inflation. This is going to make Jimmy Carter look conservative. Do you also believe the military budget should be cut by 25%?

And If you cut taxes for the rich you are in essence raising the tax burden on the lower classes… Is that fair?
It is the same as raising taxes for the middle class.

I am not an Obama lover… I just dislike hime less than McCain. Do you really want Palin as Pres??? McCain is one lack of a heartbeat away from her taking office… Think about it, In his biggest decision he has made he chose her as his running mate…

And he has been pretty consistan that a family making below 250K will not see a tax increase.

Your question right back at you. Do you really want some one as far left and in bed with Bill Ayers(an unrepentant domestic terrorist) as your next president? Ayers is a coward and Obama is an even bigger coward for not being truthful about his relationship with him.

Need I bring up Joe Biden in the presidency? The guy is a walking gaffe, why do you think you haven’t heard much from him on the trail. I am always cautious of anything the mainstream media tries to push down my throat.

Last question. What large decision has BHO ever made other than to vote present?[/quote]
Hopeless.

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[quote]100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Food for thought. The top 1% of wage earners earns twice as much as the bottom 50% does. The top 1% pays 13 times the amount of tax that the bottom 50 does. How much more of the burden should they carry?

I bust my ass working overtime to make 6 figures. If I can do this with no college education and only 5 years of military experience, any one can.

I have never been given anything from any one, I have always paid my bills and saved my money. I detest the fact that one party in this country thinks I need to support the “less fortunate”.

Now, because I bust my ass my wife and son have everything they need and want. Fuck anyone who wants more of my money.

Do you really think baby jesus can add all this new spending and cut taxes for 95% of sheeple?

If spending is your issue, don’t vote McCain right?[/quote]

Nor, Obama.

“I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost.”

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama’s policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years - and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts.

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: “Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years.”

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081030/D944GOGG0.html

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/

Etc., etc. Oh, and Obama would prefer a single-payer healthcare plan. With a Dem congress, who knows.[/quote]

This is socialism? I don’t think so.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Food for thought. The top 1% of wage earners earns twice as much as the bottom 50% does. The top 1% pays 13 times the amount of tax that the bottom 50 does. How much more of the burden should they carry?

I bust my ass working overtime to make 6 figures. If I can do this with no college education and only 5 years of military experience, any one can.

I have never been given anything from any one, I have always paid my bills and saved my money. I detest the fact that one party in this country thinks I need to support the “less fortunate”.

Now, because I bust my ass my wife and son have everything they need and want. Fuck anyone who wants more of my money.

Do you really think baby jesus can add all this new spending and cut taxes for 95% of sheeple?

If spending is your issue, don’t vote McCain right?

Nor, Obama.

“I’ve offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost.”

THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama’s policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years - and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts.

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: “Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years.”
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081030/D944GOGG0.html[/quote]

Funny, but leaves out one much more than the other! Wonder which one? Luckily interest on debt not an issue whatsoever for trolls in here.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
The wealthy who on the companies most of us work at control their pay as well as mine.

With higher taxes on them, who do you think they are going to let take the drop in lifestyle?

I doubt rich CEOs are going to lower the salaries of their employees to keep their own salary high.
[/quote]

Check out what Steve Miller did to Delphi. Exactly that.

(he’s the CEO, not the rock singer btw.)

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[quote]100meters wrote:
Sloth wrote:
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/urban_policy/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/

Etc., etc. Oh, and Obama would prefer a single-payer healthcare plan. With a Dem congress, who knows.

This is socialism? I don’t think so.[/quote]

"Consider the words of longtime Socialist Party of America presidential candidate Norman Thomas: “The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.”

In addition to Medicare, Social Security, and other entitlement programs, the gathering political momentum toward single-payer healthcare – which Obama has proclaimed is his ultimate goal – shows the prescience of Thomas’s words."

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[quote]forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
I work for a privately owned company.

Privately owned companies still need a competitive workforce. If you don’t offer market salaries commensurate with a person’s skills, that person is going elsewhere.[/quote]

They’ll just hire a new person with the same skills fresh out of college and pay them half of what the guy who left was making.

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[quote]dhickey wrote:
100meters wrote:

How could a vote for McCain possibly equal “caring about the economy” ? No credible economist would vote for McCain, why would any voter? Are you a serious person or just another troll?

We have already established that you have not read anything from credible economist and don’t know shit about basic economic principles. Why do you continue to make this argument?

Seriously, McCain doesn’t know anything about the economy, said he would probably rely on his veep for economic wisdom—I mean what in the hell are you talking about?

where did he say that?

What has happened to middle-class wages the past 8 years? What about the top 1%? And you’re talking about exploitation? Because they’re going to go back to the Clinton tax rate?

C’mon you really need to focus here, you vote republican cause you’re scared of teh gay and mistakenly think God cares about abortions. No republican cares about the economy! Get with it!

you’re a complete idiot. i don’t know what else to say about this garbage.[/quote]

Are you saying you ARE voting for McCain on economic issues? One can assume you are also a masochist? Stunning admission.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
forlife wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
I work for a privately owned company.

Privately owned companies still need a competitive workforce. If you don’t offer market salaries commensurate with a person’s skills, that person is going elsewhere.

They’ll just hire a new person with the same skills fresh out of college and pay them half of what the guy who left was making.[/quote]

same skills AND fresh out of college is a bit optomistic

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[quote]100meters wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Food for thought. The top 1% of wage earners earns twice as much as the bottom 50% does. The top 1% pays 13 times the amount of tax that the bottom 50 does. How much more of the burden should they carry?

I bust my ass working overtime to make 6 figures. If I can do this with no college education and only 5 years of military experience, any one can.

I have never been given anything from any one, I have always paid my bills and saved my money. I detest the fact that one party in this country thinks I need to support the “less fortunate”.

Now, because I bust my ass my wife and son have everything they need and want. Fuck anyone who wants more of my money.

Do you really think baby jesus can add all this new spending and cut taxes for 95% of sheeple?

If spending is your issue, don’t vote McCain right?[/quote]

All governments spend. It is necessary for the country to survive. The point you sheeple don’t get is this guy is just going to increase government entitlements to people who won’t work just to collect these entitlements.

You are so hopelessly blinded by the MSM that you don’t even have your own opinion, you just spew liberal talking points. Try thinking for yourself with out influence from the NY times.

I believe in a strong military and simple trickle down economics. The country doesn’t get stronger from the bottom up, it gets stronger from the top down. Taking more money from those who create jobs and industry and giving it to those who won’t work doesn’t make us stronger.