[quote]Black Greg wrote:
Republicans are fittin to get they ass handed to them tuesday… how’s that feel suckas… we tried yo shit and it didn’t work, now get out the way and let the smart people clean up yo mess…
let the glorious socialist revolution begin[/quote]
Another of the ignorant masses who really doesn’t know what’s going on.
Instead of any idea of just giving money to people, how about a whole paradigm shift? (I have mentioned this before.)
Completely restructure welfare so that people simply complete tasks in exchange for benefits. (i.e. work.) Clean offices, mow lawns, take care of parks, or most anything that could benefit society.
No qualifying. Anyone who wants the benefits simply needs to work for it. But you must do the work.
This immediately takes out anyone who wants to “work the system”, and live off of the government. And the ones who want to move up can. Get a good job, and cut how much you work for the government.
Different rules obviously for the disabled. But this leaves a safety net in place, helps those who need it, reduces fraud, and motivates people to move off the system, instead of punishing them for getting jobs.
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
Do you recognize the author?
It was Abraham Lincoln
Very, very wise words, written years ago and we still don’t get it …
my biggest gripe is that the implosion that this current mortgage crisis is causing, thank you Bill and Barney, is going to get resolved and whomever is in office is going to take credit for it and they will look like a genius. It doesn’t take a economic visionary to see that you don’t lend to the people with historic unworthiness. The tech bubble…you don’t invest a huge sum of money in unproven businesses that haven’t turned a dime in profit without taking a huge risk. We bet on speculation then and we bet on risky mortgages and got burned again…how much success are we going to see with socialism?
[quote]vroom wrote:
I think raising taxes, within reason, may have less of an impact than cutting spending. Why? Because poorer people, those more likely to receive government spending, generally put their money back into the economy** immediately. [/quote]
Spending is more targeted, cutting taxes is more broad. There is no general “government spending” - the government must allocate to whom the spending goes. Tax cuts go across broad sectors of the economy, putting more money into the hands of those that will use it, regardless of their “size” (big business, small business, individuals, etc.)
It’s a rifle versus shotgun approach - and the shotgun approach is far better, if we are trying to improve the velocity of money in the economy.
By the way, you qualify small businesses as “poorer people” that would be the beneficiaries of government spending - I endeavor you to take a survey of “small businesses” and see what policy it is they prefer to keep their motor running. Hint: it’s not government spending.
Incorrect, because they are the ones with the most capital to inject into the economy. None of this occurs in a vacuum - if there by an “already successful” entrepreneur in the economy (large or small), then they are the best entities to loosen their capital and start investing, which will in turn begin to stimulate the sectors of the economy they are connected with.
It has nothing to do with being able to “stomach” a higher tax rate - it has to do with who is going to get the most capital moving money in our economy. Wealthy folks can “stomach” a higher tax rate by investing overseas and getting better returns elsewhere - but that doesn’t do us any good domestically.
The best part about a low tax rate is that no one has to be prophetic enough to figure out who will be lead horses out of the recessionary environment - just keep private money available to all comers and let them get productive.
[quote]RebornTN wrote:
vroom wrote:
I don’t know if there is an instant way to do this, but something like making education more available to people might be a way to encourage it… but it would take a fair amount of time while younger generations took advantage of it.
I would have to say that education is quite available. The only thing that is holding you back is yourself. If you really want to improve your lot in life, take the initiative…if that means getting up the 3 hours earlier and studying instead of playing games, so be it. [/quote]
Gonna have to agree with reborn here. There is plenty available to improve yourself in this country.
People feel if the government is doing it for them why should they WORK to do it for themselves. By increasing social entitlements to the “less fortunate” you are enabling the lazy process.
There are enough programs in this country that offer job training and education for damn near free. Do these people need to be led by the hand and have the programs read to them?
Go to most housing projects in an urban area, why is it that they drive nicer cars than you do? Because they live off government entitlements and deal drugs. It is never going to change.
[quote]Journeyman wrote:
That’s funny. I was wondering if he had stopped taking his medication. I guess it could go either way.[/quote]
You haven’t been here long enough to even know what vroom is talking about.
Don’t jump on bandwagons when you don’t know where the fuck they are going, pee wee.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Black Greg wrote:
Republicans are fittin to get they ass handed to them tuesday… how’s that feel suckas… we tried yo shit and it didn’t work, now get out the way and let the smart people clean up yo mess…
let the glorious socialist revolution begin
are you serious? Guys, is he serious?[/quote]
Probably, but who cares? He’s obviously ignorant as fuck…Like Ron White says “You can’t fix stupid”.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
Do you recognize the author?
It was Abraham Lincoln
Very, very wise words, written years ago and we still don’t get it …[/quote]
It really has to do with the average American’s grip on history which is pathetic.
One might think, perhaps hope, that after they get ass-fucked at the polls tomorrow, Republicans will engage in some soul-searching, that they?ll ask themselves whether and how they lost touch with the national mainstream. But my prediction is that this won?t happen any time soon.
Instead, the Republican rump, the party that?s left after the election, will be the party that attends Sarah Palin?s rallies, where crowds chant “Vote McCain, not Hussein!”
[quote]Amused59 wrote:
FEMA dude. It’s what they were designed to do. Anyway, I’m the first one to tell you if you’re standing infront of a speeding bus get the fuck outta the way. But what happens to your aging parents in the nursing home as the levees break?
We have seemingly digressed from the original topic. But I for one welcome the change of the Obama Whitehouse, and will be sorely disappointed if McCain pulls a squeeker and pitches a massive coronary leaving Sarah Palin at the helm. And 'fess up, all of you will too.[/quote]
FEMA are not first or second responders. They also cannot control local ordinances that basically kept people in a soup of dead people. That honor lies firmly with the mayor and the Governor.
[quote]pat wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
Do you recognize the author?
It was Abraham Lincoln
Very, very wise words, written years ago and we still don’t get it …
It really has to do with the average American’s grip on history which is pathetic. [/quote]
The average Americans grip on anything is pretty pathetic, thanks to the extreme liberals that think if you are smart or good at something we should handicap you externally in some way to make others “equal”.
But now were looking at a new kind of extreme liberal in this society instead of just handicapping you they are also going to try to mooch off you.
[quote]theOUTLAW wrote:
pat wrote:
Amused59 wrote:
yeah, my Avatar…on a good day. But if you don’t think the Republicans have been redistributing wealth to the top 1% for the last 8 years, I’m sure you thought they did a bang-up job with Hurricand Katrina as well.
I don’t think big government is the solution to all problems, but it is the solution to certain problems. Not the least of which is repairing the economy. If we leave the economic patch job to the private sector, they’ll undoubtedly fund it by selling plutonium on a chip to school lunch programs nationally.
Yeah, Bush sent the hurricane to the coast of mississippi and New Orleans. Forget the fact that the mayor of New Orleans did nothing. He did not send help, he did not allow the Red Cross access to the area, use the means at his disposal to get people out, he did nothing.
Oh yeah, let’s not forget the good ol’ governor who also did nothing. She sent no help, she did not send the national guard in…She let the coast guard totally fend for themselves…Bush is in Washington, so how the fuck is that cluter fuck his fault?
Other than hide stolen money in their freezers, what did the representatives of Louisiana do? Oh yeah, not shit!
If your house catches on fire, do you call the president? Or should the local authorities take the reigns? Call the president of course!
You forgot to mention that both the mayor and governor were liberals.[/quote]
I thought the fact that they are completely incompetent nimrods would make that fact self evident.
[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Fuck - at least orion gets this very simple concept. You think you have something that needs to be heard. You don’t.
No, I actually don´t.
I wholeheartedly believe that Americans are not special enough to alter the laws of the universe and therefore must obey them as everyone else has to.
That includes that people will hate you when you have killed enough of their relatives and some will find a way to get even.
It also includes that you will go broke if you consistently spend more than you produce.
You also will not make socialism work, be it in the form of socialiced health care or public schools.
And, and that is the real punch line, thinking you are so extra special that it could not happen to you, only makes you more like us.
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Which goes to prove you know nothing about America except what you see on CNN international. Dare I say that view is a little narrow? Like, pin head small.
Don’t believe everything you see on TV.
blah blah blah blah COMMUNISM blah blah blah blah blah blah MUSLIM blah blah blah blah blah TERRORIST blah blah blah blah blah SOCIALISM blah blah blah blah blah ACORN blah blah blah blah blah MAVERICK! blah blah blah blah blah
[quote]Black Greg wrote:
blah blah blah blah COMMUNISM blah blah blah blah blah blah MUSLIM blah blah blah blah blah TERRORIST blah blah blah blah blah SOCIALISM blah blah blah blah blah ACORN blah blah blah blah blah MAVERICK! blah blah blah blah blah[/quote]
I think it’s great we have one of Obama’s Chicagoland apparatchiks here to answer our questions. Do you attend Trinity also?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Black Greg wrote:
blah blah blah blah COMMUNISM blah blah blah blah blah blah MUSLIM blah blah blah blah blah TERRORIST blah blah blah blah blah SOCIALISM blah blah blah blah blah ACORN blah blah blah blah blah MAVERICK! blah blah blah blah blah
I think it’s great we have one of Obama’s Chicagoland apparatchiks here to answer our questions. Do you attend Trinity also?[/quote]
That sounds like a speech I heard from Obama the other day. A whole bunch of nothing…But damn it was refreshing.
[quote]The Mage wrote:
Instead of any idea of just giving money to people, how about a whole paradigm shift? (I have mentioned this before.)
Completely restructure welfare so that people simply complete tasks in exchange for benefits. (i.e. work.) Clean offices, mow lawns, take care of parks, or most anything that could benefit society.
No qualifying. Anyone who wants the benefits simply needs to work for it. But you must do the work.
This immediately takes out anyone who wants to “work the system”, and live off of the government. And the ones who want to move up can. Get a good job, and cut how much you work for the government.
Different rules obviously for the disabled. But this leaves a safety net in place, helps those who need it, reduces fraud, and motivates people to move off the system, instead of punishing them for getting jobs. [/quote]
Agreed. And it’s been done elsewhere. Just set the pay scale a bit below minimum wage (perhas 75% or 80% of minimum wage). There’s an immediate incentive to find non-governmental work and you’re getting a lot done for the country. Also, it might be helpful to have rather difficult work for the young and able-bodied to give further incentive to find private sector work.
[quote]pat wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Fuck - at least orion gets this very simple concept. You think you have something that needs to be heard. You don’t.
No, I actually don´t.
I wholeheartedly believe that Americans are not special enough to alter the laws of the universe and therefore must obey them as everyone else has to.
That includes that people will hate you when you have killed enough of their relatives and some will find a way to get even.
It also includes that you will go broke if you consistently spend more than you produce.
You also will not make socialism work, be it in the form of socialiced health care or public schools.
And, and that is the real punch line, thinking you are so extra special that it could not happen to you, only makes you more like us.
Which goes to prove you know nothing about America except what you see on CNN international. Dare I say that view is a little narrow? Like, pin head small.
Don’t believe everything you see on TV.
[/quote]
I do not watch CNN.
You could tell me not to believe anything I have seen on Jon Steward or Bill Maher because these I do watch.
The school and health care bit was from a report of John Stossel, the wiping out of wedding parties happens weekly and that you spend more than you produce is common knowledge and is not even disputed.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Balanced? Nearly half of them have no respect for the Constitution, specifically the second amendment. That is not balance.[/quote]
While I don’t accept your statement the way you’ve phrased it, you might notice you said “half”. Half swing left and half swing right.
Holy shit… to many, that’s almost balanced.
Again, the ones that are old and going to retire/die are the ones you don’t like. Lucky you!