Question for Fellow Parents / Teachers

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Tex Ag wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As some of you know, I have a 5 year old. Long story short…parent-teacher conferences are this week and I informed the teacher that I wanted my son to attend. The reason for this is that I want to teach him to become engaged in his education (and things that directly affect him) and I don’t want a “filter” when discussing his performance. There are no major issues that I’m aware of and his report card was good. I just want him to “participate”, particularly as it concerns a minor behavioral issue he has in terms of working independently and not disturbing others.

The teacher discussed my intention with the principal and I am meeting resistance. No explanation, just an “against policy” and it’s a “parent-teacher” conference and not a “parent-teacher-student” conference. No shit - as if I needed the literal distinction spelled out to me while ignoring the practical explanation for resistance.

I’m truly bewildered and looking for a second opinion and maybe a teacher’s perspective. Why shouldn’t this open communication be ENCOURAGED among teacher/parent/student? What is the practical need for a “filter”??? Seems to me the conference would be much more valuable if the student attended.

What am I missing here? I"m not interested in debating my parenting decision. I’m interested in knowing what the hell the problem is…[/quote]

The crux of modern education is more about compliance than learning. If your kid becomes involved in his own education he might start thinking, and that is a big NO-NO in compulsory education.

You have already violated rule number one by not doing exactly what you were supposed to. This can easily be construed by the educators as either a lack of ability to follow instructions or as outright defiance, hence the glib brush off referral to policy and statement of the obvious.

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LOL but you’re right. And I honestly think they have no fucking clue how to communicate with informed and educated adults. They spend their days communicating with children and forget when they are actually addressing a fellow ADULT. [/quote]

They don’t even want to communicate with adults. In a lot of educators (teachers, principals) minds, the last thing they need is some nosy blowhard parent who doesn’t “understand” making their job any harder than it is already.

You sound like you are becoming “problematic”. As word travels from teacher to teacher and year to year there will be no doubt as to where the kid gets it from. (thats all tongue in cheek)

I went through this wringer starting in about fourth grade when I was being taught how to add whole numbers again after mastering multiplication and division the previous year. Then my dad started asking some valid and very hard to answer questions.

Then I became “problematic”.

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My daughter is going to start problematic. Nearly finished the kindergarten curriculum, just turned 3. I have been worried about her schooling for a year now. I am afraid she will get bored in school.[/quote]

Lol sorry Ag this just makes me chuckle. I forgot what its like to have a 3 year old.

You wearing Burnt orange this week? :)[/quote]

I do not believe that our gentlemen’s agreement was ever finalized.[/quote]

Lol I know I had no faith, and was not going to comment in the College thread. :slight_smile:
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A&M hurt themselves enough that game but that personal foul call in the last drive where the A&M player grazed the tu players facemask as he went by moved tu into position to win. The commentators were saying how crappy a call that was. In ways it is a fitting ending, however. Tu coming from behind with ‘help’ from the refs and A&M leaving feeling cheated.

^ Okay AG moved it to the college thread.

BG you do what you think is right man, its your kid not the states. As a father of 5 kids who went through public school and have one in 10th grade I have to agree with Matty.

Our educational system in Texas is all about funding, the test scores, minority/special needs and tax base is what drives the system. They are not shaping young minds or preparing them for college etc. There only concerns is passing the standardize testing the state requires, and most teachers have checked out cause they need to work (not blaming them at all).

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
As some of you know, I have a 5 year old. Long story short…parent-teacher conferences are this week and I informed the teacher that I wanted my son to attend. The reason for this is that I want to teach him to become engaged in his education (and things that directly affect him) and I don’t want a “filter” when discussing his performance. There are no major issues that I’m aware of and his report card was good. I just want him to “participate”, particularly as it concerns a minor behavioral issue he has in terms of working independently and not disturbing others.

The teacher discussed my intention with the principal and I am meeting resistance. No explanation, just an “against policy” and it’s a “parent-teacher” conference and not a “parent-teacher-student” conference. No shit - as if I needed the literal distinction spelled out to me while ignoring the practical explanation for resistance.

I’m truly bewildered and looking for a second opinion and maybe a teacher’s perspective. Why shouldn’t this open communication be ENCOURAGED among teacher/parent/student? What is the practical need for a “filter”??? Seems to me the conference would be much more valuable if the student attended.

What am I missing here? I"m not interested in debating my parenting decision. I’m interested in knowing what the hell the problem is…[/quote]

Well,
I have 2 kids, 15 and 11… Both rather intelligent and curious, but, uh, different…

So far, it seems the schools are more about the organization, the way things are done, social indoctrination and sometimes, are just containment facilities. NOT about mastering bodies of knowledge.

They continue to teach things in ways that mystify, obfuscate, and are nearly opposite to what learning theory and experiments show, just because that’s the way it has been done.

Nearly no adaptations for individual learning styles, little acknowledgement of basic human condition. Some schools, nearly ban going to the bathroom (3 a semester allowed), others just schedule physical necessities out of existence… Kids I know won’t drink during the day, because they can’t take the time to hit the restroom, not between classes, and are called out if during classes…

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m interested in knowing what the hell the problem is…[/quote]

The problem is the teacher may not want to speak freely in front of the child.

In particular, early-elementary teachers are taught not to use/say negative things in front of kids. This is because little kids don’t have the ability to see more than black and white.

Your kid may be 99% good, but a good teacher will tell you (the parent) also about the 1% bad, which you, as an adult, will put into perspective — and also work on.

A little kid will freak and focus only on the negative.

(And yes, I am a parent.)
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With all respect, I think this is horseshit. They have a system in her class to punish negative behavior and are given feedback - same as any child at home would receive from responsible parents. My 5 year old does not “freak” when he has a bad day at school any more than he “freaks” when he is corrected at home.

I think your post is utter nonsense to be honest - no disrespect intended.[/quote]

Wow, you’re kind of a keyboard blow hard. No disrepect intended.

What I wrote is (almost inevitably) what the teacher is taught and believes, assuming her to be a typical product of elementary education.*

Whether you consider it “utter nonsense” or not, that’s her training and her system.

But, since it is more important for you to be right that have a successful child, by all means, be a unbendable prick to the teacher. I am sure she’ll treat little Johnny just swell and will go out of her way to help him when he has problems because she’ll be sooooo appreciative of how you treated her.

  • Note I, in no way, endorse this approach. It is what it is, and you are not going to change it. If you want special care for little precious, go to a another school.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
BG I took my daughter to all PT. I found that it gave both the parents and teacher an opportunity to show the child that everyone is just talking and trying to help if it is needed. It also allowed my child to get personal praise for all the good stuff she was doing from everyone involved, and a plan for any problems. She always walked in happy, and walked out happier. I think it’s a great idea. Stick to your guns.[/quote]

Thanks.

The above is exactly what I’m trying to accomplish. The principal just called this morning and I just returned from meeting him to discuss it. Within the first 5 minutes he tells me “I’m not going to tell you no”. We had a pleasant discussion. Reading between the lines, the friction/resistance was actually coming from the teacher. He also told me he’s never had the request. Her resistance didn’t shock me (she’s on the young side) but he’s an older gentleman 36 years in education.

Anyway, my little guy will be attending his P/T conference this evening.

Thanks to everyone for the input. Sometimes you just need confirmation you’re not the crazy one. [/quote]

I think you did the right thing. I have a 5 year old as well and we did P/T conference last month. Didn’t even dawn on me to take him but I will now. I think it is good for him to see his parents interacting with his teacher and understand we both want the best for him.

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
I’m interested in knowing what the hell the problem is…[/quote]

The problem is the teacher may not want to speak freely in front of the child.

In particular, early-elementary teachers are taught not to use/say negative things in front of kids. This is because little kids don’t have the ability to see more than black and white.

Your kid may be 99% good, but a good teacher will tell you (the parent) also about the 1% bad, which you, as an adult, will put into perspective — and also work on.

A little kid will freak and focus only on the negative.

(And yes, I am a parent.)
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With all respect, I think this is horseshit. They have a system in her class to punish negative behavior and are given feedback - same as any child at home would receive from responsible parents. My 5 year old does not “freak” when he has a bad day at school any more than he “freaks” when he is corrected at home.

I think your post is utter nonsense to be honest - no disrespect intended.[/quote]

Wow, you’re kind of a keyboard blow hard. No disrepect intended.

What I wrote is (almost inevitably) what the teacher is taught and believes, assuming her to be a typical product of elementary education.*

Whether you consider it “utter nonsense” or not, that’s her training and her system.

But, since it is more important for you to be right that have a successful child, by all means, be a unbendable prick to the teacher. I am sure she’ll treat little Johnny just swell and will go out of her way to help him when he has problems because she’ll be sooooo appreciative of how you treated her.

  • Note I, in no way, endorse this approach. It is what it is, and you are not going to change it. If you want special care for little precious, go to a another school.[/quote]

You said “the little kid will freak and focus only on the negative”. You also said they don’t have the ability to understand beyond “black and white” (horseshit - do you have a 5 year old?).

A child receives feedback every day of his life (and should). Some positive, some negative. Hopefully, the “negative” is communicated in a way to not make them “freak”. If a teacher is incapable of this in a parent/teacher conference, she is surely incapable of it in the classroom in which case she shouldn’t be teaching.

And we had the P/T conference without a hitch, with the principal’s full support.

Yes, he’s my son and he is “precious”.

And yes, I will be “un-bendable” when it comes to parenting decisions and what I believe to be best for my son. You let the school raise your son if you want and you can let them dictate to you if you want. I shall not.

As for blowing hard…lol whatever.

“Little kids don’t have the ability to see beyond black and white”. LOL Ok

[quote]waldene wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Big Bencher wrote:
BG I took my daughter to all PT. I found that it gave both the parents and teacher an opportunity to show the child that everyone is just talking and trying to help if it is needed. It also allowed my child to get personal praise for all the good stuff she was doing from everyone involved, and a plan for any problems. She always walked in happy, and walked out happier. I think it’s a great idea. Stick to your guns.[/quote]

Thanks.

The above is exactly what I’m trying to accomplish. The principal just called this morning and I just returned from meeting him to discuss it. Within the first 5 minutes he tells me “I’m not going to tell you no”. We had a pleasant discussion. Reading between the lines, the friction/resistance was actually coming from the teacher. He also told me he’s never had the request. Her resistance didn’t shock me (she’s on the young side) but he’s an older gentleman 36 years in education.

Anyway, my little guy will be attending his P/T conference this evening.

Thanks to everyone for the input. Sometimes you just need confirmation you’re not the crazy one. [/quote]

I think you did the right thing. I have a 5 year old as well and we did P/T conference last month. Didn’t even dawn on me to take him but I will now. I think it is good for him to see his parents interacting with his teacher and understand we both want the best for him.
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Exactly and thanks. He did well. He got to hear about how well he is doing and he got to hear (with us present) about some minor behavioral issues he can improve upon. No filters. Nothing negative, just a message that we can improve and do better and that parent/teacher and student are on the same page.

I didn’t expect him to run the meeting…it’s just an indoctrination into having some responsibility for the things that directly affect him.

Truly amazing…nothing sexier than Men and the soft spot they have for their kids!

[quote]simpstr1 wrote:
Truly amazing…nothing sexier than Men and the soft spot they have for their kids![/quote]

Watch it - He’s gonna flex his left pec and BAM!, you’ll be down in his lap again! LMAO :wink:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]simpstr1 wrote:
Truly amazing…nothing sexier than Men and the soft spot they have for their kids![/quote]

Watch it - He’s gonna flex his left pec and BAM!, you’ll be down in his lap again! LMAO ;)[/quote]

that’s how it always happens! it’s def not my smile!

LOL

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]simpstr1 wrote:
Truly amazing…nothing sexier than Men and the soft spot they have for their kids![/quote]

Watch it - He’s gonna flex his left pec and BAM!, you’ll be down in his lap again! LMAO ;)[/quote]

that’s how it always happens! it’s def not my smile!

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whatever Dudes!!! I like Dudes with big Titty Pecs in my face OK…don’t hate appreciate! for the record…you have a great smile…everything about you is physically appealing!

[quote]simpstr1 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]simpstr1 wrote:
Truly amazing…nothing sexier than Men and the soft spot they have for their kids![/quote]

Watch it - He’s gonna flex his left pec and BAM!, you’ll be down in his lap again! LMAO ;)[/quote]

that’s how it always happens! it’s def not my smile!

LOL[/quote]

whatever Dudes!!! I like Dudes with big Titty Pecs in my face OK…don’t hate appreciate! for the record…you have a great smile…everything about you is physically appealing![/quote]

aww. thank you dear :slight_smile:

you just trying to make me soft!

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]simpstr1 wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]simpstr1 wrote:
Truly amazing…nothing sexier than Men and the soft spot they have for their kids![/quote]

Watch it - He’s gonna flex his left pec and BAM!, you’ll be down in his lap again! LMAO ;)[/quote]

that’s how it always happens! it’s def not my smile!

LOL[/quote]

whatever Dudes!!! I like Dudes with big Titty Pecs in my face OK…don’t hate appreciate! for the record…you have a great smile…everything about you is physically appealing![/quote]

aww. thank you dear :slight_smile:

Why on earth would I EVER want to make you SOFT? thats an oxymoran - you and soft! lololol…two words that definitely don’t go together.