[quote]Legionary wrote:
Belief in God is perfectly rational, but claiming knowledge of the divine is an untenable position for the sane among us. [/quote]
Really? You have some studies from the mental/neural sciences to back this up?
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Belief in God is perfectly rational… [/quote]
And, please, could the atheist butt-kissing Deists stop pretending they get to join the rationalist free-thinker club? You don’t. You still believe in a deity.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]BeefEater wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Cluck. Cluck. Cluck.[/quote]
Lmfao! Great voice acting Push. Species that adapt to their environment
thrive; those that fail to do so face extinction. The same is true for
ideas. Belief in God is perfectly rational, but claiming knowledge of the divine is an untenable position for the sane among us. [/quote]
Claiming knowledge of the lack of the divine is an untenable position for the intellectually honest among us.[/quote]
And can you tell me where I “claimed” any such knowledge? I actually believe that a “necessary first cause,” God does exist. You? Intellectually honest? Please. Perhaps outside those beliefs you keep locked away from the light of skepticism and reason.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Or Push might have you express some of your knowledge of the opposing viewpoint that you incessantly claim to have.[/quote]
Maybe push should take some of his own advice.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Belief in God is perfectly rational… [/quote]
And, please, could the atheist butt-kissing Deists stop pretending they get to join the rationalist free-thinker club? You don’t. You still believe in a deity.
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How is belief in a deity and free thought mutually exclusive? They, like the agnostic, simply don’t claim that firsthand knowledge of God exists. (i.e sacred texts/prophets)Obviously they believe in the existence of God, but they have no established dogma, leaving each individual to, get this, THINK FOR THEMSELVES! Why are you even hung up on this anyways? Have Deists persecuted Christians throughout their existence?
[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Or Push might have you express some of your knowledge of the opposing viewpoint that you incessantly claim to have.[/quote]
Maybe push should take some of his own advice.[/quote]
He has have a hard time distinguishing personal BELIEF and claims of KNOWLEDGE. By his criteria, he should be a hell bound pagan as well.
Oh cool run away from the post just like when Matty intellectually destroyed you in the Bill Nye thread. Did you ever elaborate on the other species of human that have been documented to have existed? Intellectually honest Push is running away from scientific facts. Btw, Muslims worship the same God as you do, but way to display your bigotry further.
Really? Because “Us ambassador Security chief in Yemen assassinated” is almost nonsensical. I simply reworded it so someone looking at a glance would see it was not an American citizen that had been killed, God forbid a “Us ambassador Security chief.” Why is Al Jazeera so bad Mr. Push? Is it because it challenges your biased and ill-conceived notions of the International System?
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Btw, Muslims worship the same God as you do, but way to display your bigotry further.
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Bigotry? You’re the one who says they’re insane, along with the rest of the religious.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Btw, Muslims worship the same God as you do, but way to display your bigotry further.
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Bigotry? You’re the one who says they’re insane, along with the rest of the religious. [/quote]
Insane? They are simply worshiping the Creator in a manner that suits them. As long as it has no negative impact on me or my interests I could care less. Do I think that someone believing in Noah’s ark as a literal account is a little irrational, maybe even “crazy”? Yes, I think its trading God given reason for man made stories. You don’t see freethinkers launching Crusades or issuing Fatwahs over it though.
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Belief in God is perfectly rational, but claiming knowledge of the divine is an untenable position for the sane among us. [/quote]
Haha semantics. Perhaps “Those not afraid to abandon dogma and superstition and think for themelves” would have been more appropriate? I’m not writing my dissertation here. You have no point. The revealed religions say “This is the word and will of God! Right here in the Bible/Koran/ect!” They claim knowledge. The agnostic theist simply believes without resorting to such arrogant claims of knowing the will of God itself. How can you logically argue against this position without resorting to faith?
His experience is true, but just for him.
[quote]Legionary wrote:
Haha semantics. Perhaps “Those not afraid to abandon dogma and superstition and think for themelves” would have been more appropriate? [/quote]
You tell me, as you’re the one playing forum bigotry detective. All the while, forgetting you had called Muslims insane by extension, only a few post ago.
[quote]Legionary wrote:
The agnostic theist simply believes without resorting to such arrogant claims of knowing the will of God itself. [/quote]
And, well, they claim to know that God wouldn’t reveal himself in one of the religions because they themselves wouldn’t.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
The agnostic theist simply believes without resorting to such arrogant claims of knowing the will of God itself. [/quote]
And, well, they claim to know that God wouldn’t reveal himself in one of the religions because they themselves wouldn’t.
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Who claimed anything? Where is the Deist bible? Deism and agnosticism are mere postulation for the last time you imbecilic fuck.
[quote]Legionary wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Legionary wrote:
The agnostic theist simply believes without resorting to such arrogant claims of knowing the will of God itself. [/quote]
And, well, they claim to know that God wouldn’t reveal himself in one of the religions because they themselves wouldn’t.
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Who claimed anything? Where is the Deist bible? Deism and agnosticism are mere postulation for the last time you imbecilic fuck.[/quote]
Yet, you know a deity wouldn’t reveal itself through one of the revealed religions, even calling those folks insane in thinking so. Must I continue to jog your memory?