[quote]Jimmy Tango wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Jimmy Tango wrote:
Which facts are those? Oh, you mean those misinterpretations of fact? Yeah. Actually, myself and others have pointed out just how valid the “facts”, as purported by ZEB and co., are.
You did not refute even one fact posted on this thread!
However, since you keep showing up on the thread with a great deal of bluster and not much more, I will give you yet another opportunity to actually refute only a few of the many statistics which do not show up very well for your pals:
- “A CDC report revealed that, in 1997, 45 percent of homosexuals reported having had unprotected anal intercourse during the previous six months did not know the HIV serostatus of all their sex partners. Even more alarming, among those who reported having had unprotected anal intercourse and multiple partners, 68 percent did not know the HIV serostatus of their partners.”
2.“(1999, January 29). Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention). p. 48.
Male rectal gonorrhea is increasing among homosexuals amidst an overall decline in national gonorrhea rates.”
- "Bailey, J.M. (1999, October). Homosexuality and Mental Illness. Archives of General Psychiatry. 56: 883-884.
Homosexual people are at a substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicidality, major depression and anxiety disorder. Gay, lesbian, or bisexual people were at an increased lifetime risk for suicidal ideation and behavior, major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and nicotine dependence."
- New Orleans (5-9-01) – In a report released today at the annual American Psychiatric Association (APA) convention, psychiatrist Dr. Robert Spitzer announced the results of a new study on homosexuality. Efforts to change sexual orientation can – in some men and women – apparently produce significant success.
Dr. Spitzer’s personal involvement in this particular study is historically significant: He was the leading figure in the 1973 APA decision which removed homosexuality from the official diagnostic manual of mental disorders. Today, he is Chief of Biometrics Research and Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University in New York City.
“Contrary to conventional wisdom, some highly motivated individuals, using a variety of change efforts, can make substantial change in multiple indicators of sexual orientation,” said Spitzer.
“Like most psychiatrists, I thought that homosexual behavior could only be resisted, and that no one could really change their sexual orientation. I now believe that to be false. Some people can and do change,” said Spitzer.
Dr. Spitzer interviewed 200 men and women who have experienced a significant shift from homosexual to heterosexual attraction, and have sustained this shift for at least five years. Many of the subjects had sought change because of disillusionment with a promiscuous lifestyle and unstable, stormy relationships. Many reported a conflict with their religious values, and many had desired to be (or to stay) heterosexually married. By the time of the study interview, three-quarters of the men and half of the women had become married.
One surprising discovery was that 67% of the men who had rarely or never felt any opposite-sex attraction before the change effort, now report significant heterosexual attraction. Even those whose orientation did not change – but who gave up homosexual behavior – experienced a significant improvement in emotional health. "
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“Bieber, I., Bieber, T. (1979) Male homosexuality. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry. 24, 5:409-421.
?We have followed some patients for as long as 20 years who have remained exclusively heterosexual. Reversal estimates now range from 30% to an optimistic 50%.” -
"Violence in Lesbian and Homosexual Relationships.
A study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined conflict and violence in lesbian relationships. The researchers found that 90 percent of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to this study, with 31 percent reporting one or more incidents of physical abuse.[69]
In a survey of 1,099 lesbians, the Journal of Social Service Research found that “slightly more than half of the [lesbians] reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner. The most frequently indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and combined physical-psychological abuse.”[70]
In their book Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence,D. Island and P. Letellier report that “the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population.”[71]
Compare the Low Rate of Intimate Partner Violence within Marriage. Homosexual and lesbian relationships are far more violent than are traditional married households:
The Bureau of Justice Statistics (U.S. Department of Justice) reports that married women in traditional families experience the lowest rate of violence compared with women in other types of relationships.[72]"
- “In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age twentyfor gay and bisexual men is eight to twenty years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged twenty years will not reach their sixty-fifth birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.”
I’ll stop right here with the above seven statistics. Obviously, I have only scratched the surface.
Instead of name calling and falling back on faulty liberal logic I challenge you to refute each of the above seven one by one.
Show us all statistics which demonstrate that homosexuals are indeed healthier, happier and live longer than the average population, if you can find them. Give us all reasons to embrace gay marriage.
I can refute all of the above facts by saying that they don’t have any relevance when it comes to deciding whether or not we give gays the right to marry. No relevance whatsoever.
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Why am I not surprised by this weak answer.
Tango joins the list of those social liberals and homosexuals who cannot respond when presented with facts!
That you don’t think it matters that certain studies have indicated that homosexuals can change into heterosexuals is closed minded.
That you don’t think it matters that there is a higher degree of domestic violence in gay and lesbian relationships is closed minded.
That you don’t think it matters that homosexuals have a higher incidnence of anxiety, depression, suicide, AIDS, STD’s and a shorter ife span is again closed minded!
There you have it folks. The answer from the social liberals and gay community is,
“we don’t care about facts or how much pain and disease we cause each other. Furthermore, we don’t care how much we negatively impact the rest of the world from a health, social, or fiscal standpoint. We simply want the right to marry regardless of all of the valid reasons why we shouldn’t. Let the rest of the world be dammed.”
What a myopic, dangerous and very selfish view!
One good thing has come from the release of all of the facts, including the selfish attitude of those who are gay and support gay marriage:
While we have gone some 40 pages on this thread it has not been in vain. People (who have vistited this thread) are at least aware of the truth. And when the truth is told and people have a firm grasp of the facts gay marriage will never become a reality.
