Proof Gay Marriage is Wrong

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[quote]ToShinDo wrote:
“God, I have loved a man. It felt right for me to do so. He has made me happier, as I have done for him. We have spent our lives together in a loving, honest relationship. Our existences have been made immeasurably better by each other. Please, Lord, is what we have done wrong?”

If God was not understanding of this, he would not be God. And in that case, who cares what he thinks?[/quote]

Very simple and very true. I would love to see this answered by anyone opposing samesexmarriages. It should not be that hard, most of them assume to know God’s will anyway.

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[quote]ephrem wrote:
ToShinDo wrote:
“God, I have loved a man. It felt right for me to do so. He has made me happier, as I have done for him. We have spent our lives together in a loving, honest relationship. Our existences have been made immeasurably better by each other. Please, Lord, is what we have done wrong?”

If God was not understanding of this, he would not be God. And in that case, who cares what he thinks?

Very simple and very true. I would love to see this answered by anyone opposing samesexmarriages. It should not be that hard, most of them assume to know God’s will anyway.
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Any fundamentalist worth their salt will easily provide a “no one can question the will of God” and a “God made homo-ness a sin… not me”.

I’m sorry, but you guys will never get an answer that makes any rational sense from a fundie unless you are a fundie yourself. It’s like a secret code.

They have special handshakes too.

You see, when you hide behind a book to indulge in your hatred and fear of others…

[quote]EMT-FF Jordan wrote:
maybe if you read the Bible a little more…remember a story called Soddom and Gomorrah…He sent those fuckers in a flaming specatilve of fire and brim stone. pretty sweet if you ask me. [/quote]
Then any people who try to point out how clueless and empty you are will be wasting their time, for you have traded your common sense and reason for the belief that you are superior or special.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were insular and cruel to outsiders, BTW. The lesson is one of kindness, charity and good will, Jordan. Something I guess you missed in all of the heavenly-inspired cluster-bombing and whatnot. Yeah, it’s cool when God blows stuff up, but it helps to appreciate the story a little bit, too.

PS And it was just a STORY. Wrap your mind around that for a second. If you dare.

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I just wrote a really long post, but I decided to delete it. It was overly angry at the Christian Right.

My sister is gay, and that’s fine with me. Her girlfriend is hot.

Anyone who wants to tell me that I’m going to burn in the lake of fire for eternity can IM me.

Dan “Won’t talk about this shit in public anymore” McVicker

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[quote]Dan McVicker wrote:
I just wrote a really long post, but I decided to delete it. It was overly angry at the Christian Right.

My sister is gay, and that’s fine with me. Her girlfriend is hot.

Anyone who wants to tell me that I’m going to burn in the lake of fire for eternity can IM me.

Dan “Won’t talk about this shit in public anymore” McVicker[/quote]

My sister is gay, too. That’s fine with me. On top of that, her high school girlfriend could probably out-bench 50% of the guys on this thread.

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being gays ok, just not gay with children.

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[quote]CaptainLogic wrote:
bdyer wrote:
Look at the strongest civilizations in history. The strongest civilizations, from the Roman Republic to Samurai Japan, have been the ones with some of the most unyielding codes of ethics and homogenous views. If “civilization works” to help us survive, we ought to cast our lots in with the civilization most likely to wind up on top.

Probably one of the strongest and most progressive societies (technologically, economically etc.) in all of history was Nazi Germany. Draw your own conclusions.[/quote]

Not politically though and the whole economy was geared to war, it was good on the face of it, but the individual suffered. Wages were frozen and the armaments business boomed. And the government borrowed money from Germany’s savings banks to contribute to the building of the military.

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[quote]alstan90 wrote:
being gays ok, just not gay with children.[/quote]

Is this a reference to South Park’s “Getting Gay with Kids” episode, or do you mean all the gay workers here at my hospital who are parents are not cool in your book?

Because I will nominate them to take the Pepsi Challenge For Parenting against any fundie bible-thumping family – any day of the week.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
being gays ok, just not gay with children.

Is this a reference to South Park’s “Getting Gay with Kids” episode, or do you mean all the gay workers here at my hospital who are parents are not cool in your book?

Because I will nominate them to take the Pepsi Challenge For Parenting against any fundie bible-thumping family – any day of the week.[/quote]

No im not refering to an episode of South Park, and no I don’t thump bibles, it wouldn’t be good parenting to make baby jesus cry. Also, WTF is a pepsi challenge for parenting? . Why on Earth would you want your parenting to be adjudicated by schmuckingly evil multi-national corporation? Maybe it’s just me, I don’t drink pepsi, s’not clean food and its not good for your teeth, take note.

Seriously though, I don’t have a problem with people being gay but think about the social implications for a child who has gay parents. You wouldn’t want to invite your friends round for tea, would you? Gay people may well be loving parents, and im sure most would do their best to care for the kids, but unless society changes this isn’t enough.
It maybe that views like mine are why it can be difficult and awkward when talking about gays. But lets face it, if society was perfect their would not be any gays with children; as their would not be any to adopt. As for gay relationships, well many animals in the animal kingdom are gay, but you dont get gay monkeys and monkettes, or whatever. ‘Nuff said.’
AlexSt.

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Life & Free Will

Don’t fuck with mine and I wont fuck with yours.

As adults and citizens of the planet, it is our responsibity to protect the life and free will of those who cannot protect themselves (children, elderly).

As long as you are not fucking with the life and free will of another person, you can have sex with and love anyone or anything you want to.

If there is a God (and I hope there is), we were given life and free will and that’s it. Everything else is bullshit.

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[quote]bugs wrote:
Life & Free Will

Don’t fuck with mine and I wont fuck with yours.

As adults and citizens of the planet, it is our responsibity to protect the life and free will of those who cannot protect themselves (children, elderly).

As long as you are not fucking with the life and free will of another person, you can have sex with and love anyone or anything you want to.

If there is a God (and I hope there is), we were given life and free will and that’s it. Everything else is bullshit.[/quote]

Lol ffs. I don’t have a problem with gay relationships. But if your that into god and free will them why didn’t he give men a penis and vagina? with the same for women? we wouldn’t need to sexes, horrible thought.

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[quote]alstan90 wrote:

Lol ffs. I don’t have a problem with gay relationships. But if your that into god he also didn’t give men and women penises and vaginas.

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He didn’t?

Then who did?

From what I remember in health class, I think men had penises and women had vaginas since birth.

(that was sarcasm. You might want to check your wording)

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[quote]ATOMemphis wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
I’m reminded of my friend (raised by gay parents) who is now a successful musician and considering going to Harvard Law for his “real job”. Too bad he was raised by gays, he could have been somebody.

I’m considering starting a colony on mars. I’ve considered burning Harvard to the ground, because clearly, Dartmouth is better. what the F does it matter if they are considering going there or not? And lets suppose they go! Do they graduate? In the top 20%? Gay or not, “Considering” to do anything is a horrible argument. I considered quitting working out today, good thing I didn’t or I’d be a pussy. I also considered ignoring that somebody was patting their friend on the back by bragging how he was considering to go to Harvard.

Well I’ve got a friend, and I’m considering whether or not I’m going to take my car to him for him to change my oil. i think i might listen to NPR right now, i think “all things considered” is on.[/quote]

I am considering posting on this dumbass thread.

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I don’t have a problem with gay people.

I believe gay people should have the same rights as straight people and should have some sort of civil partership that allows them to share health benefits, etc. This is not the same as marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman.

While I support gay rights I also believe the promiscuity of active young gay is incredibly high and that is not a good thing for society due to the spread of disease etc.

A lot of pro-gay marriage people want to minimize the problems that go along with homosexuality. They are almost as close minded as the anti-gays.

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The point about the Romans and Japan, was not that they did not approve of homosexuality (although Republican Rome didn’t if you believe Plutarch and Polybius), but that they had a strong code of external ethics. Not a wishy washy belief that we all create our own morality.

All of this, “if God doesn’t approve, He’s not loving, or He doesn’t care, or I don’t care…” is totally immaterial. If God is there, do you think He is willing to take ethical advice from anyone? Do you think this would be a comforting thought on the receiving end of His wrath? Whether you want to believe in God or not, trying to judge God, if He is there, by a personal notion of morality is foolish.

Also, for a bunch of open-minded tolerant people, some of you are extraordinarily closed minded about the idea of a just God and those religious people who might believe in this concept (Christian fundamentalists, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, etc.). Never heard anything so bigoted in my whole life.

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I love how everyone gets on these forums and tells everyone EXACTLY how they are completely right and others are completely wrong. I’ve got news for you- the only way ANY of us (self included) are going to know the full truth and answers is AFTER we die. I’m not certain, but I believe that it will be pretty hard to post on internet forums at that point.

I believe what I believe. If you must know, I am a Christian. I don’t agree with homosexuality, but know a few gay people and care deeply about them. I hope that they change their ways, but if not, that is THEIR choice- not mine. I hate the sin and NOT the sinner (that’s in the Bible, folks). If they are right, fine. If they are wrong and I’m right, then it’s their soul that will suffer.

Just like the Christian/athiest arguement. If I’m right, it’s mansions, streets of gold, and Heaven for me. If I’m wrong, I’m only out a few tithe checks (that went to good purposes), and I didn’t do a few people wrong when my conscience over-rode my worldly desires. Either way, (yay church!) good was accomplished.

I have no trouble expressing my beliefs to people that believe otherwise, but I won’t chastize or berate people for holding their beliefs (you know, that whole “judge not” thing- He probably meant that, as well).

As to the arguement of whether Sodom and Gemorrha was due to homosexuality or “other” (my belief is “all of the above”), again, the only people who know are dead and won’t be posting anytime soon (except GhostWolf). What I DO know, is that the Bible does state that every man in those cities believed in their hearts that what they were doing wasn’t wrong, yet in God’s eyes it was. Just something to think about the next time people want to tell people exactly how God feels about something.

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In a country that boasts a separation of church and state Gay marriage should be legal. If it wasn’t then marriage betweeen Islamic folks or Agnostics shouldn’t be legal as well. If the a church rejects a gay couples request to marry they should still be allowed to have a justice of the peace marry them.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
fatsensei wrote:
Ahhh liberals. This is probably a poor attitude but I really hope that on judgement day when you are trying to explain to God why being a homosexual is ok that I can be there. It’ll be a hoot.

FatSensei

Ahhh conservatives. I’ld like to be there when you explain to Him why you voted for Bush and then again to get him re-elected after it was obvious he was a murdering thief.

“but, but, but we killed in your NAME!!!”

Yeah, that should do the trick.[/quote]

Not to be jerk…but Kerry was FOR the war as well.

And you guys can fight all day…I cant stop looking at today’s image…

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The same can be said for heterosexual promiscuity as well. I think encouraging monogamous relationships is a good thing. This raises the question (yeah, I know, again with the questions) of whether allowing gay marriage will encourage monogamy within the gay community and whether this might “spill over” into the heterosexuals. I don’t know, and at this point I don’t care.

I’ll look at today’s image alternated with thinking about Dan’s sister and her girlfriend.

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For the bible people out there:

Is there any tangible, archeaological evidence that Sodom and/or Gomorrah actually existed? And were then destroyed?

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
While I support gay rights I also believe the promiscuity of active young gay is incredibly high and that is not a good thing for society due to the spread of disease etc.

The same can be said for heterosexual promiscuity as well. I think encouraging monogamous relationships is a good thing. This raises the question (yeah, I know, again with the questions) of whether allowing gay marriage will encourage monogamy within the gay community and whether this might “spill over” into the heterosexuals. I don’t know, and at this point I don’t care.

I’ll look at today’s image alternated with thinking about Dan’s sister and her girlfriend.[/quote]

Heterosexuality promiscuity pales in comparison to male homosexual promuscuity. The statistics are staggering. Of course they both spread disease and can be considered bad for society.

I think gay marriage is a political ruse. I do believe a form of civil partership is fair.

We need pics of the sister and hot girlfriend. Is the sister hot too?