Any one else experience slight headaches when they first started using Havoc?
I know my BP is good, had it check last week, and I have done other PH, steroids, but besides Alpha Male, I never gotten headaches when starting something.
If you did, did they go away after a few days?
does Havoc or other PHs have a half-life or remain active for a period of time after the cycle has ceased? if so what are the estimations of this time?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
does Havoc or other PHs have a half-life or remain active for a period of time after the cycle has ceased? if so what are the estimations of this time?[/quote]
Why should anyone bother helping you? Serious question.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
does Havoc or other PHs have a half-life or remain active for a period of time after the cycle has ceased? if so what are the estimations of this time?[/quote]
Yes, the half life for most orals is about 6-8 hours.
For most prohormones that is a good estimate as well.
You would still start you PCT the next morning after your cycle ended.
No need to do the “waiting for anabolics to completely clear the system” thats silly.
After 24 hours the oral should pretty much be clear of your system completely.
And you shouldn’t feel the effects after about 10.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
does Havoc or other PHs have a half-life or remain active for a period of time after the cycle has ceased? if so what are the estimations of this time?
Why should anyone bother helping you? Serious question. [/quote]
oh im sorry, i didnt realize that you are somehow everyone on this board, pardon me.
srs srsness
[quote]Westclock wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
does Havoc or other PHs have a half-life or remain active for a period of time after the cycle has ceased? if so what are the estimations of this time?
Yes, the half life for most orals is about 6-8 hours.
For most prohormones that is a good estimate as well.
You would still start you PCT the next morning after your cycle ended.
No need to do the “waiting for anabolics to completely clear the system” thats silly.
After 24 hours the oral should pretty much be clear of your system completely.
And you shouldn’t feel the effects after about 10.[/quote]
no, i wasnt doing asking as to when to start PCT, i was just curious if there could be an even longer half-life 6-8 hrs isnt really much, i was more curious if it was comprised of days.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
does Havoc or other PHs have a half-life or remain active for a period of time after the cycle has ceased? if so what are the estimations of this time?
Why should anyone bother helping you? Serious question.
oh im sorry, i didnt realize that you are somehow everyone on this board, pardon me.
srs srsness[/quote]
It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t have an actual answer to such a simple question.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
does Havoc or other PHs have a half-life or remain active for a period of time after the cycle has ceased? if so what are the estimations of this time?
Why should anyone bother helping you? Serious question.
oh im sorry, i didnt realize that you are somehow everyone on this board, pardon me.
srs srsness
It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t have an actual answer to such a simple question. [/quote]
someone else already answered my question, so what difference does it make?
enough bickering. Take it to PM’s.
Your cluttering a sticky.
I will assume that liquid type Nolvadex will be fine.
[quote]BradyZ wrote:
I will assume that liquid type Nolvadex will be fine.[/quote]
As long as it’s from a legit source, then sure. If I use stuff that is dosed 25mg/ml and I want a 20mg dose I go with the full 1ml. I’ve never had a problem doing that.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
BradyZ wrote:
I will assume that liquid type Nolvadex will be fine.
As long as it’s from a legit source, then sure. If I use stuff that is dosed 25mg/ml and I want a 20mg dose I go with the full 1ml. I’ve never had a problem doing that. [/quote]
Thanks for the feedback.
Well appreciated.
Age: 25
Height: 5 7
Weight:190
Prohormone Experience: I have ran four cycles before this one and had great gains but they where pretty simple cycles just straight Deca and win
Wk 1 - wk 8: liver armor 2caps twice daily
decabolen 2caps 35 mg per cap
trenadrol 3 caps at 30mg per cap
Or should I bridge them
liver armor 2caps twice daily
Wk 1-4 deca 2 caps 35 mg per cap
Wk 4-8 kilo sport trenadrol 3 caps at 30mg per cap
And then I will start Tamoxifen
sorry to bump up an old post,but guess William Llewellyn strongly disagrees class I/II classification. Here is the link:
forum.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-forum/class-1-class-2-a-134240343.html
[quote]Unleashed wrote:
sorry to bump up an old post,but guess William Llewellyn strongly disagrees class I/II classification. Here is the link:
forum.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-forum/class-1-class-2-a-134240343.html
[/quote]
Interesting post. But why post this in the Prohormone sticky?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Unleashed wrote:
sorry to bump up an old post,but guess William Llewellyn strongly disagrees class I/II classification. Here is the link:
forum.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-forum/class-1-class-2-a-134240343.html
Interesting post. But why post this in the Prohormone sticky? [/quote]
Well we did discuss numerous applications of type I/type II prohormone mixing for better results.
While I agree that simply looping all AAS into two over-groups is silly and completely oversimplified.
The reality of the matter is FAR too complex for us to explain, or for myself to even grasp any further than the base concepts, so we dumb it down ridiculously far into two classes that are simply guidelines as to what might work well with what.
Trying to explain the thousands of different factors that goes into how different steroids work in the body and synergize with each other simply isnt feasible.
What is feasible is for us to give people an “idiots guide” to using, and they can maximize their results as much as possible.
Hence the “mix a type I with a type II” suggestion we give to most people.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
What is feasible is for us to give people an “idiots guide” to using, and they can maximize their results as much as possible.
[/quote]
Exactly. Going into the nitty gritty will do nothing more than confuse people. This is PH’s, which is usually taken by the lesser end of the AAS “community”. If you are considering proper AAS (and I highly recommend it) then read up, learn and start pinning.
Question.
Liver support is considered a must have for designer steroids/prohormones. I have no experience with them so I wouldn’t know.
So why do guys run orals like drol for 4 weeks without mentioning liver support and nobody seems to care? Aren’t anadrol, dbol, winny, etc. just as liver toxic, or am I missing something? Is 30-40 mg a day of epistane WORSE on your liver than 100-150 mg a day of anadrol?
liver support is not necessary, but it helps.
Most guys who run orals run atleast milk thistle pretty much year round.
Most people using PH’s are new to the game, and everything we tell them is on the side of caution.
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