[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
so i was reading you can “pulse” without having to do PCT? is this something you guys would reccomend?
i mean if its worth it id rather do it that way because honestly i dont even know a legit site i could order nolvadex from. those sponsored links seem so damn shady.
also are there are any decent non-methylated PH’s that yield dry gains?
this may seem dumb but on PCT is it still a no-go for drinking? i dont want to seem like i have a drinking problem for asking that im just curious[/quote]
No go on drinking.
Even if your going to pulse, which to be honest I dont think is a good plan.
You will still need an SERM for PCT when you come off, the pulse can not prevent suppression, it only slows it down.
And you will still need an SERM in case you develop gyno or any other estrogen related problems.
If you just need a good research chem supplier we can give you that, your in the US thats not a problem.
i got one, then i was so excited i put in all my info to buy and then its like, sorry only take Visa because of fraudlent blahblahbalh.
so yea im still in search
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i got one, then i was so excited i put in all my info to buy and then its like, sorry only take Visa because of fraudlent blahblahbalh.
so yea im still in search[/quote]
A lot of these sites are only going to take visa. I suggest getting a prepaid visa card.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i got one, then i was so excited i put in all my info to buy and then its like, sorry only take Visa because of fraudlent blahblahbalh.
so yea im still in search
A lot of these sites are only going to take visa. I suggest getting a prepaid visa card.[/quote]
really? thats pretty lame but that sounds like a good solution also.
or ill just use someone’s Visa card.
Everyone is saying Tamoxifen is the PCT to go with, is Clomid not the best choice for PCT with PH?
If I have plenty of Clomid, could I use that as my PCT after one month of H-Drol?
I also hav Liv-54 to do during the H-Drol, and I’m considering doing Alpha Male and 11-T with the Clomid PCT.
maybe i shouldnt be chiming in since i admitedly dont know shit.
but doing a PCT of 11-T and Alpha Male in addition to Nolva seems like a waste. if youre just doing it get your nat production back i dont think its going to make any difference. plus 11-T is rediculously expensive.
but if you have an extra what, $300(?) to throw around go for it.
[quote]Dick_In_A_Box wrote:
Everyone is saying Tamoxifen is the PCT to go with, is Clomid not the best choice for PCT with PH?
If I have plenty of Clomid, could I use that as my PCT after one month of H-Drol?
I also hav Liv-54 to do during the H-Drol, and I’m considering doing Alpha Male and 11-T with the Clomid PCT.[/quote]
Clomid used to be the PCT drug of choice until people figured out that Nolva does the job with fewer side effects.
With clomid you have to use a much higher dose to be effective, hence you get mood swings, clomid blues, vision floaties in your peripheral, ect.
Certainly a Clomid PCT will do the job, Alpha Male is a good test booster, I usually just use generic trib, but by all means it can not hurt.
Alot of people seem to like the 11-T, I cant really comment because I have never tried it, far too expensive for my tastes.
[quote]Dick_In_A_Box wrote:
Everyone is saying Tamoxifen is the PCT to go with, is Clomid not the best choice for PCT with PH?
If I have plenty of Clomid, could I use that as my PCT after one month of H-Drol?
I also hav Liv-54 to do during the H-Drol, and I’m considering doing Alpha Male and 11-T with the Clomid PCT.[/quote]
11-T as far as I know is supposed to suppress cortisol as it’s primary function. Correct me if I’m wrong. There is no point in putting it in PCT probably. Save it for when you’re cutting
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
so i was reading you can “pulse” without having to do PCT? is this something you guys would reccomend?
i mean if its worth it id rather do it that way because honestly i dont even know a legit site i could order nolvadex from. those sponsored links seem so damn shady.
also are there are any decent non-methylated PH’s that yield dry gains?
this may seem dumb but on PCT is it still a no-go for drinking? i dont want to seem like i have a drinking problem for asking that im just curious[/quote]
Use a PCT like Tamoxifen (Nolvadex).
Don’t drink during cycle or PCT.
Pulse isn’t recommended.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Dick_In_A_Box wrote:
Everyone is saying Tamoxifen is the PCT to go with, is Clomid not the best choice for PCT with PH?
If I have plenty of Clomid, could I use that as my PCT after one month of H-Drol?
I also hav Liv-54 to do during the H-Drol, and I’m considering doing Alpha Male and 11-T with the Clomid PCT.
11-T as far as I know is supposed to suppress cortisol as it’s primary function. Correct me if I’m wrong. There is no point in putting it in PCT probably. Save it for when you’re cutting[/quote]
Cortisol control during the PCT is a huge thing.
Thats about the only time I would consider cortisol control to be hugely important.
Thats assuming its actually effective at blocking cortisol in the first place though.
I’ve got about two weeks left of 11-T, that’s why I asked.
I actually liked the first two two week runs I did of 11-T. Sure it wasn’t magical, but I did feel like I got a few extra reps on every set by the end of two the two weeks.
So I could do another two week run of 11-T, wait two weeks, and then do the H-Drol.
But I was thinking just what Westclock said - “Cortisol control during the PCT is a huge thing.”
That was my guess from the research I’ve done, and why I thought I’d ask about the 11-T.
Clearly though, I’m new to this. So I welcome the input.
I have read this entire thread but I’d still like some advice. I am 5’7" 185 pounds at 12% BF. I am 46 yrs old and lift on a 5-day split and never miss a week.
I just ordered BOLD 200 (6 weeks worth) and Methadrol (3 weeks worth). I also have Nolvadex and LiverCare. As this is my first PH cycle, I was wondering if I should just do the Bold 200? If I also do the Methadrol, should I do it in the first 3 weeks or the last 3 weeks?
Just planning my next cycle for the spring and was wondering if I could get some suggestions from those that are familiar with these products. I have a bottle of Havoc already on hand and would like to stack it with something.
What would be best? I have heard of people doing both these stacks.
Havoc and iForce Bold 200?
or
Havoc and EST’s Hemadrol(a halodrol-50 clone) ?
I would be bulking.
Thanks for any input.
My Tren/M-Drol(Superdrol clone) Cycle
Please let me know if i missed anything or add anything
Thanks,
Pre Cycle supplements
2 week pre load of Hawthorne Berry
Cycle
Tren
Week 1- 40mg
Week 2- 40mg
Week 3- 60mg
Week 4- 60mg
Week 5- 60mg
Week 6- 60mg
Week 7- 40mg
Week 8- 20mg
M-Drol ( Clone of Superdrol) (Start on 3rd week of Tren)
Week 1- x 10 mg
Week 2- x 10 mg
Week 3- x 20 mg
Week 4- x 20 mg
On Cycle Supplements
4 a day Hawthorne Berry
4 a day Saw palmetto
6 a day Liver Care 4 hours after each dose Dose
4 a day Fish Oil
PCT
Nolvadex 40mg/40/mg/20mg/20mg 4 weeks only
“normalization period”
Extreme Lean
T-3 (Test Booster)
Sam-e
Novledex by Gaspari
Hawthorne Berry
Saw palmetto
[quote]bruin4life wrote:
My Tren/M-Drol(Superdrol clone) Cycle
Please let me know if i missed anything or add anything
Thanks,
Pre Cycle supplements
2 week pre load of Hawthorne Berry
Cycle
Tren
Week 1- 40mg
Week 2- 40mg
Week 3- 60mg
Week 4- 60mg
Week 5- 60mg
Week 6- 60mg
Week 7- 40mg
Week 8- 20mg
M-Drol ( Clone of Superdrol) (Start on 3rd week of Tren)
Week 1- x 10 mg
Week 2- x 10 mg
Week 3- x 20 mg
Week 4- x 20 mg
On Cycle Supplements
4 a day Hawthorne Berry
4 a day Saw palmetto
6 a day Liver Care 4 hours after each dose Dose
4 a day Fish Oil
PCT
Nolvadex 40mg/40/mg/20mg/20mg 4 weeks only
“normalization period”
Extreme Lean
T-3 (Test Booster)
Sam-e
Novledex by Gaspari
Hawthorne Berry
Saw palmetto
[/quote]
Have you taken any prohormones before because m-drol is pretty strong even not stacked.
You may find you need a longer PCT with an 8 week cycle.
I believe the tren x or what not isnt mythelated, and honestly I dont see a need to taper up with superdrol
personally Id run it at 20 or 30 all the way through.
20 seems to be the sweet spot for most users.
In all honestly the danger of superdrol/m1t ect is overstated.
Thanks guys, yes i have ran tren before but not M-Drol so that is why im tapering and stacking it with tren so to me it makes sense to build up with the m-drol, so for an 8 week ccyle how long should i run my PCT for?
Standard PCT is 4 weeks.
But heres the deal, your run that shit as long as you need to.
Ive run 6 weeks or more before just because I didnt feel quite up to speed yet.
Just run the SERM at a low dose and dont come off till you feel your really ready, if you start feeling weird agian after you come off just hop back on the low dose agian.
The use of AI’s and SERM’s greatly speed up the process, but for PH’s AI’s are overkill and will do more harm than good.
So just play with the SERM.
To westclock
im running it for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20