Dude, USMC just demonstrated that you’re categorically full of shit vis-a-vis Israel and Muslims (the crux of your entire argument).
keep reading, i rebutted his post
I don’t know much about this event
Did you not write verbatim that Israel had “banned Muslims”?
They do not allow non-Jews to become citizens (must pass DNA tests) and I highly doubt they allow foreign nationals from Islamic countries visas. The article he posted doesn’t really give details, but my guess is Muslims with western passports are given visas.
tl;dr: while not a 100% muslim ban, borders are heavily controlled and only jews can immigrate
Full post here:
Is demographics the seed, and culture the flower?
As I said earlier, Western countries have created the blueprint for a liberal democracy with maximal economics and civic liberties, women’s rights, etc.
Why has no Islamic country adopted this form of governance to date?
1.4 billion actively (hell, make it passively) at war with the United States?
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With beliefs as perverse at this do you really want them here?
45 % believe mockers of islam should face criminal charges
12 % of muslims believe blaspheming Islam should be punishable by death
58 % of Muslim-Americans believe criticism of Islam or Muhammad is not protected free speech under the First Amendment
32% of Muslims in America believe that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land
Source: http://www.andrewbostom.org/blog/2012/10/31/sixty-percent-of-us-muslims-reject-freedom-of-expression
62% percent of British Muslims say freedom of speech shouldn’t be protected
1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons
Source:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK2
Source:
82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
Source: Muslim Publics Divided on Hamas and Hezbollah | Pew Research Center
65%% of Muslims in Europe say Sharia is more important than the law of the country they live in.
Source: Europe: Islamic Fundamentalism is Widespread :: Gatestone Institute
68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
Source: Front Page Featured | MRCTV
61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans
Source: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTIIFeb09rpt.pdf
31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
Source: http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/
16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is “acceptable”.
Source: DPG Media Privacy Gate
25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
Source:
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews/2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Poll%20Nov%2004/Guardian%20Muslims%20Nov04.asp
26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall)
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall)
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall)
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall)
Source: pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
Source: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/OsamabinLaden
28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
Source: http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/ShariaLawOrOneLawForAll.pdf
68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam
Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
Source: http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01/strong-support-for-shariah-in-canada
Much good news and some worrying results in new study of Muslim public opinion in Canada | Macdonald-Laurier Institute
36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/09/10/166274.html
Just, as you say, for the chuckle – though rereading that line (and the whole post around it), it did come off in a way I didn’t intend, prickly rather than witty. As you know well, I immensely value your contributions to this board. And this particular debate has been the best I’ve had around here in a long long time, especially if the standard is how much I must learn and read in order to participate. In the Trump era, it’s rare to have to read anything, as so many of the pressing issues involve questions like “how about a presidential candidate who on a whim proposes that the military murder women and children?”
The rest I will respond to tomorrow (night, I hope, because I have been using this thread to do some serious procrastination on some very important work that I really don’t want to do).
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The entirety of the muslim world is not at war with us. If that were true then we would expect incessant and extremely frequent attacks in India by its extremely large muslim population–due both to the fact that India is an ally of us and that we have a fairly sizeable cultural presence (or export if you will) in India, which are two huge triggers for Islamic terrorist attacks.
But that’s not what we see.
The entirety of the world’s muslim populationnis not at war with us–rather large chunks of politically powerful elites and discontent, brainwashed rabble turned radicals in certain countries are.
Further you cannot ban an entire religion from entering the USA. Can’t do it. Both practically speaking and on principle, being that at very least it is a direct betrayal of our founding principles in spirit, and at most (and I firmly believe extremely likely case) unconstitutional from a legal standpoint in addition to being a direct betrayal in spirit.
You want to ban people from immigrating from Iran? Fine. Saudi Arabia? Fine. These are localized countries that have background sponsoring terrorism as well as the 911 attacks. And you can check their passports for nationality, and their connecting flights for country of origin. Carter already did it. Ban an entire religion? You must be joking.
Not to mention that banning an Idea works wonders every time it’s been tried. Fantastic tactic really, no downsides at all. So much simpler than just banning books. Track record of success.
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You’re not taking broad swaths of Western history into consideration. Liberal economic and political institutions did not come into being through a clean, inevitable teleology. Democracy and capitalism came about though a series of messy, bloody affairs. Islam is roughly 1400 years old. From 1618-1648, the Thirty Year’s War - fueled by Catholic and Protestant antipathy - claimed the lives of over ten million. Illiberal politics and economics persisted after the subsequent founding of the modern state system. The concert of Europe crushed liberal movements in the wake of the Napoleonic Wars, and widespread mercantilism persisted well into the 19th and 20th centuries. The absence of the necessary civic institutions for liberal politics in the Middle East is a product of history (much of which is owed to Western influence), not ethnicity or religion. Neither is it unaddressable.
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They’re sufficiently numerous and self-evident that I won’t waste the effort of presenting a reasoned and evidenced argument to a geopolitically inept partisan clod such as yourself. Competent moderate and internationalist Republicans and hard power Democrats wouldn’t have any trouble with my prior post.
You believe that the United States wouldn’t suffer diplomatic, economic, and security consequences if it carried out Trump’s foreign policies vis-a-vis terrorism?
So you don’t have a response. Nor a grasp of the rudimentary basics of the subject at hand. I didn’t expect more from PWI’s perennial intellectual garbage fire and keyboard bully.