President of the US Picks

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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You want someone to blame for Hillary’s Supreme court pick? Go look in a mirror. Every one of you who’ve whined about how “emotional” the Trump opposition was. You had your chance to make sure the GoP would never nominate a xenophobic, misogynistic, war-crime proposing, conspiracy theory nut-job, who doesn’t even believe in smaller government. But you folks were too busy whining about the Trump opposition all because he’s affixed an R to his name. It’s not emotional to oppose Obama, Hillary, or anyone with a D for Democrat affixed to their names. Oh no, that’s just passionate and principled opposition to wrongness. But oppose a race-baiting, vulgar, bullying, big government/authoritarian Conspiracy peddling whacko with a R? That’s emotional!

No thanks, Zeb. It’s called principles before team cheerleading partisanship. I don’t want your whackjob anywhere near the command of the military or anywhere near picking a supreme court justice. There is nothing in Trumps past or present that makes me any less worried about his Supreme Court pick than Hillary’s. Oh, he said he’ll pick a conservative? You’ve done nothing but defend his statements by saying “oh don’t worry about what he says, he just conning us all for our own good!” Ok, so he’s a con-man, willing to sink to the lowest of the lows, and now I’m supposed to believe this big-government/authoriatn conspiracy peddling whack-job is going to pick someone evenly remotely resembling a conservative? Frankly, I’m more damned worry about his pick. Here’s a guy wanting stricter laws on the press, wants to wall us in, makes torture and war cimes into a cheering point, isn’t opposed to big-government, doesn’t want to defund planned-parenthood, doesn’t want to reform entitlements, greatly exaggerates to scape-goat “the other” in order to gain and maintain support…

Hmm, a conspiracy nutter, authoritarian-big-government-economic nationalist-who brags about his plans to expand our methods of torture and the deliberate killing of non-combatants. Yeah, that’s a guy I want pick supreme court justices.

Never.

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Every time you pay for a Florida orange, you’re paying for someone to come here and pick it for a low wage so you can have an overabundance of cheap fruit. Free-market Capitalists fuel this. Which is why libertarians with a big L are pretty much open borders. You want to stem it without actively tearing apart families and communities? Pass a minimum wage law and enforce the hell, out of it. There, now the native poor might work those jobs more readily? Right now, you know who I’ll see out and about down in these parts before the sun is even up? The truck full of brown-skinned Spanish men filling up their water coolers in the convenience store as they wait for their almost for certain Republican southern born white boss man to finish filling up the gas tanks for the truck and the tools they’ll need for the job.

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Why not just allow temporary visas to fill these needs instead of enabling illegals?

86% of illegal immigrants with children are on some form of welfare. By supporting these people staying in the US permanently, you are doing nothing but expanding the parasitical class and forcing other people to support these people.

Secondly, think of the negative cultural impact these people have. You drop a bunch of illegals who speak no english, have little to no skills or relatability to the native population, what happens to the social fabric and ties of the community?

Thirdly, low skilled labour depresses wages. The hardest hit people by illegals will be African Americans as they typically have been employed by in middle-to-low class jobs predominantly only to see the opportunities and salaries undercut by undocumented workers. A fair portion of these jobs no one else will do is largely a result of wages for these jobs consistently driven down by illegal immigration.

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1/5 of all prime age men are not working. And you want to allow people who are in the US illegally to stay?

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Sloth,

For some reason you are blind to helping Hillary into the Oval office. I understand you don’t like Trump neither do I but life sometimes calls for tough choices. I have made mine and you have obviously made yours.

Take care,

ZEB

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He’s as blind to that as he is to allowing Hillary an oval office job.

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[quote=“therajraj, post:606, topic:215570, full:true”]

Why not just allow temporary visas to fill these needs instead of enabling illegals?

86% of illegal immigrants with children are on some form of welfare. By supporting these people staying in the US permanently, you are doing nothing but expanding the parasitical class and forcing other people to support these people. [/quote]

And the cost doesn’t even come close the native “parasitical” class collecting entitlement obligations. Absolute numbers DO matter. I’m not looking up household numbers, so for a rough sketch, let’s just go by raw population. US population= 323 million, estimated illegal immigrant population= 12 million. So 323-12 million= 311 million native/legal aliens. For simplicity sake, and to give the legal/native population the edge we’ll use the lower Natives with children percentage and ignore the higher legal immigrant percentage. So, 52.4% of 323 million is 169 million. While 86.8% of 12 million is 10 million. So roughly 6% of welfare. But, benefits for the children of illegal immigrants are largely tied to the child. So, while the income of those parents DO matter for determining the benefits awarded for the child, the parents themselves are not eligible to collect the amount/extent of benefits for themselves as native parents would. So not only roughly just 6%, but in total dollars eligible for? Now, where’s Social Security where natives are paying in less than they’re collecting? Where’s Medicare?

What social fabric? The whites who can’t even keep women out of men’s restrooms?

Driven down by consumers wanting to pay dirt cheap prices. So, we get rid of the Mexicans. So, how much more are we willing to pay people to pick fern and oranges? How much more do we want our prices to go up at the store? Just how much of a living do you think those low-income African-Americans are going to make from picking your more expensive oranges? Enough to forgo Medicaid for their children? Enough to say no to school lunches, WIC, Housing?

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And what percentage of that fraction do you think are willing to do this kind of work. They are just as capable as showing up for the job as the Mexican fellow. Some do, I see the occasional white guy/black fellow loaded up in the back with the Mexicans. “But wages are depressed, so that’s why they won’t!” Well, I thought higher wages meant less jobs? So now we’ll pay low-income (but higher than it was) to natives, with fewer jobs to offer because of increased costs.

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And there is the Trump-ism. He has somehow steered people into believing it’s those brown-skinned Spanish speakers bankrupting the nation. Noooooo, they should look in the mirror. It’s them, and THEIR entitlements, which Trump won’t touch, that is bankrupting the nation.

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[quote=“Sloth, post:610, topic:215570, full:true”]

[quote=“therajraj, post:606, topic:215570, full:true”]

Why not just allow temporary visas to fill these needs instead of enabling illegals?

86% of illegal immigrants with children are on some form of welfare. By supporting these people staying in the US permanently, you are doing nothing but expanding the parasitical class and forcing other people to support these people. [/quote]

And the cost doesn’t even come close the native “parasitical” class collecting entitlement obligations. Absolute numbers DO matter. I’m not looking up household numbers, so for a rough sketch, let’s just go by raw population. US population= 323 million, estimated illegal immigrant population= 12 million. So 323-12 million= 311 million native/legal aliens. For simplicity sake, and to give the legal/native population the edge we’ll use the lower Natives with children percentage and ignore the higher legal immigrant percentage. So, 52.4% of 323 million is 169 million. While 86.8% of 12 million is 10 million. So roughly 6% of welfare. But, benefits for the children of illegal immigrants are largely tied to the child. So, while the income of those parents DO matter for determining the benefits awarded for the child, the parents themselves are not eligible to collect the amount/extent of benefits for themselves as native parents would. So not only roughly just 6%, but in total dollars eligible for? Now, where’s Social Security where natives are paying in less than they’re collecting? Where’s Medicare?[/quote]

I don’t understand what you’re saying here.

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What social fabric? The whites who can’t even keep women out of men’s restrooms?[/quote]

Uhhh… having a unifying language, culture and tradition. Kinda important for the morale of a nation.

Again, TEMPORARY VISAS not permanent status or path to citizenship.

Also illegal immigrants aren’t just in the US picking fruit. They get hired illegally by businesses for blue collar work. People on the lower rungs of society are already fighting automation, now you’re helping them get attacked at multiple angles by enabling illegal migrants.

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Working as a custodian, construction worker and physical labor jobs in general. Illegals are undercutting them

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Did I mention that Hispanics send large amounts of their money back to their families in their ancestral homelands?

So they come to the US, collect government remittances and the send the money back to Mexico. Great job “humanitarians”

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[quote=“therajraj, post:613, topic:215570, full:true”]
I don’t understand what you’re saying here.[/quote]

TLDR, illegal immigrants are a drop in the bucket.

What unifying culture and tradition are you trying to protect? The non-reproducing, graying, consumer culture that demands low wage accepting workers in exchange for cheap consumer goods? The unifying culture of I’m a special snowflake? I’m a cis, binary, dragon-man?

Why are you giving visas? I thought you wanted natives to get those jobs?

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More like they work a job, collect their income, and then spend it.

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“The first time Carmen Gonzalez sent money back to her family in Mexico, in 1991, Western Union charged her a $12 fee to wire $100. She earned that $12 working for six hours in a clothing factory in midtown Manhattan, which paid her $2 an hour.”

Yeah, that 1/5 will line up for that job! Oh wait, this employer will obviously pay a living wage if Ms. Gonzalez wasn’t here. And the consumers would buy the more expensive product (to cover the higher wages) , with the same demand in place for it, and the number of jobs would remain stable.

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This new quoting system is annoying as hell.

  1. What matters is the rate at which they collect welfare relative to their representation. Just because its a drop in a bucket doesn’t mean its not important

  2. A unifying language, limited government, protection of property rights etc etc. Parasitical classes ovrewhelmingly vote for large governments. Is one of your main drivers for allowing illegals to stay the injection of more Catholics into the US?

  3. There’s a huge spectrum between allowing allowing citizenship to illegals and a very limited highly enforced temporary visa system

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You can either get on board with a compassionate way to handle the people here now, and get some better enforcement in trade. Or, you’ll get nothing at all. But this we’ll starve them out/round 'em up crap will never fly. When you stick to all or nothing, you’re usually going to end up with nothing.

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Newsflash, folks. I don’t care if my neighbor is an atheist, muslim, evangelical, yadda-yadda. As long as we can agree on certain principles. I don’t care if my president is an atheist, muslim, evangelical, yadda-yadda so long as I can believe him when he claims to hold those same principles.

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Okay fine it’s wrong to blame illegal immigrants as a major source of the US’s problems but do you at least acknowledge based on the rate they collect welfare, their low skilled labour, illiteracy they are a net negative for the US?

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I don’t measure purely by dollars. I factor in the type of people we are. To me, we aren’t Homo Economicus. And, when a candidate tells everyone “it’s the Mexicans’ fault,” which is basically what is going on when you blame illegal immigrants who contribute an insignificant amount relative to the very nature of unsustainable entitlements that Trump likes and swears to not reform…