I’m calling TSB on arrogant Ivan.
You do know what TSB stands for, right Ivan?
TUBE STEAK BOOGIE!!!
Now, I don’t think your pure eyes are allowed to see this thread anymore. Sorry.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
My “enjoyment” is found in discussing how to build a better body, health matters and good political debate. Probably not much different that your own.
I don’t visit the sex threads, nor do I read TC’s column as I know what he likes to discuss. But nor do I break the door down and tell everyone on every thread that is decidely non Christian exactly how they should live.[/quote]
Fine with me, but I fear you must not be a ‘true’ Christian for doing so. According to TerribleIvan, with whom you’ve cast your lot - and association is very important to you - if you don’t condemn every inquity encountered, you are a pseudo-Christian or a false Christian. More on this later.
[quote]However, on a Christian thread, or an appropriate thread which encourages debate about moral concerns I’m present and accounted for.
Does that bother you?[/quote]
Why would it bother me?
[quote]It does not bother me that you are always missing from the pro Christian side. Just as you are on this thread.
Free will.[/quote]
Well, I’ll come straight to the point - first, I don’t spend much time on religious threads. I find them often to be a waste of time after reading a little bit. To be frank, it usually consists of two groups that engage in a very low level of debate.
Second, I am not missing - I choose not to join in. But notice what you said - you claim I am not on the pro-Christian side of this thread.
Don’t be an idiot. I have explained this before. Here is an example - you said you don’t advocate blowing up abortion clinics as a part of your witness. If you got on to an internet thread with a Christian threatening to blow up abortion clinics, and you tried to talk him out of it because you thought it was the wrong thing to do in the name of Christianity, does that make you on the wrong side of the pro-Christian argument?
No? I don’t think so either - but you have accused me of exactly that. I disagreed with the timing and context of this thread - that doesn’t mean I am anti-Christian any more than you would be anti-Christian for trying to talk the abortion clinic bomber out of what he was doing. Same principle.
And don’t fire back that blowing a clinic is not the same as starting a thread - I know that, but the principle remains: I am not anti-Christian merely because I disagree with tactics of another Christian.
This should be simple.
Have you read TerribleIvan’s posts at all? Now, ole Ivan doesn’t have the spine to name names, but he has tried to take me on under the same guise as you that to criticize him - a ‘true’ Christian - and his mission, I couldn’t possibly measure up.
[quote]In reality, there was no need for any of this to begin with. Based upon the title of this thread, and the original post, that attacked no one.
I ask YOU then, why did this start?[/quote]
It started because of exacty what I predicted - religious arguing is at a high pitch and it merely transferred to this thread.
Honestly, Zeb - you sound like whiney liberals playing the victim card you have complained about.
And just so you know, I didn’t trounce anyone - I objectively explained why I thought the thread was not a great idea. I did not attack TerribleIvan in any way personal. However, it was no time before my objective criticism was denounced as un-Christian, that I had taken with atheists, and that I had stood in the way of nameless lurkers’ eternal salvation.
Rest assured, once tapped, I would respond in kind.
I have replied directly to TerribleIvan’s ‘true’ Christian litmus test. If you don’t endorse his test, say so - but that is exactly what I have responded to throughout these posts. You chime in at stuff I wrote in response to him - and if you want to distance yourself from TerribleIvan’s repeated partitioning of Christians in this thread, go for it.
Sure it can - fascinating, though, that so many opportunities to challenge iniquity go unfulfilled on this site. Tis convenient, that is, to enjoy the fruits of this site, built on so many non-Christian values.
TerribleIvan started this wonderful taxonomy - and that is what I have consistently responded to. If you think he is wrong, by all means, Zeb, chime in and exonerate yourself from associating with such a view - if TerribleIvan is wrong for judging people as ‘true’ and ‘pseudo’ Christians, say so.
How do you know that I haven’t? Why are you claiming that I haven’t?
You say ‘when appropriate’ - if I am doing the witnessing, it stands to reason I make the decision when it is appropriate. You telling me you know better than me? Zeb, you are out your depth here.
The point is easy - I have little interest in ‘witnessing’ on Internet chat boards. Notice the scare quotes - it’s because I don’t think much spreading of the value of Christianity occurs in such anonymous places as this. In short, I don’t think it is appropriate because - wait for it - I am actually interested in the results of the conversation about religion. These threads don’t get much accomplished.
‘Appropriate’ - my definition is different from yours. You are free to suggest otherwise, as I did with TerribleIvan, but don’t be so dumb to think that because I am not all over religious threads that somehow I am ‘MIA’.
I certainly didn’t start ‘ridiculing’ him - my criticism was objective. Once he opened up himself by attacking me, you honestly think I wouldn’t go after him?
Uh yeah, that is why I said, “I disagree”. Neither of us ‘knew’ that.
Who said such? I never did.
Actually, no, and stop the victimology - I voiced concerns that it would dissolve into something unproductive quickly. Once TerribleIvan, etc. decided to chastise my comments as something that they were not, I defended myself. If you didn’t like my reaction and its effects, don’t poke a bear with a stick.
I just tucked this away in the “So What?” file. Unfair? I didn’t claim it. Stay with me, Zeb.
[quote]That you and a few atheists/agnostics don’t like it means what? Does it give you the right to bully in and help wreck it as you have done?
Not at all! [/quote]
For all the strength of you fellas, you sure need special treatment. I never bullied in. Go read my first post. It was a plea, no more, no less.
[quote]Where is your condmnation for those who constantly barge into the few Christian threads and wreck them?
MIA again![/quote]
I don’t involve myself in those threads, Zeb - see above. And you seem awfully sensitive about having threads ‘wrecked’ - surely you can defend yourself?
As for being ‘MIA’, enough.
[quote]Yes, you are standing pretty tall with a handful of atheists and agnostics. Because YOU judged it to be enough.
I see.[/quote]
Your cheap and lazy attempts to slur me by associating with the hated atheists is not only weak, silly, and falling harmlessly to the ground, it actually contradicts what you were pleading so pious about earlier - that you weren’t attacking my ‘Christianity’ - but, in fact, you are. How could I be a rootin’, tootin’ Christian with the Zeb stamp-of-approval if some atheists agree with my point of view in an Internet chat room?
Psst, sure it is - that is the exact difference I just explained to you. Mods decide if you can or can’t post. We can chime in any time we want and say “you shouldn’t post this, it is a bad idea”. You can still post it - but you have missed the point. No one has suggested that this thread be removed.
This is getting painful. If I tell you you shouldn’t do something, I can’t possibly be censoring you, because I am only offering advice - I don’t control whether you post or not. Geez.
Again, this is the argument used all the time by the ‘whiney liberals’ - that disagreement with them amounts to an attempt to censor. Congratulations.
[quote]Do you have specific criteria before you bull doze in and attempt to tear down a thread, or can do you just call it as you see it?
PULEEEEEEAZE[/quote]
I did the same thing with the many threads on the Iraq war - but I’d say I call it as I see it.
Again, the cheap attempt at associating with the hated atheists. Whiff. Second, I didn’t wreck a thing - my initial post was no attack.
Laughable. I am not trying to silence Christians. Read my original post - I thought because of context, the thread was a bad idea. Use reason. At no point have I tried to silence Christians or any discussion of Christianity on the basis that Christians shouldn’t talk.
See above - TerribleIvan’s posts.
As is, I am finished with this thread. I think a good conversation can be had about religion, but not by the partisans around here, right now. This thread is proof.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Wow. Maybe you’re right: maybe it’s just me projecting.
You and your band of fundie cohorts have stated, again and again, that the only way to heaven is through accepting Jesus.
That is correct.
And I drew the conclusion that everyone else, ergo, would be going to hell! How foolish!
Well, there is something called “grace.” I have no idea who is going to hell to be quite honest with you. That is up to the Lord.
However, I do know one way to stay out of hell for certain! And that is by accepting Jesus Christ as your savior.
And you stated that homosexuals were sinners and that they should be converted into heterosexuals.
I stated much more than that regarding the topic of homosexuality. I gave volumes of evidence which clearly points out that they do in fact live a very dangerous lifestyle, suffer more and die at a younger age.
I also cited over 50 studies which demonstrated that they could change if they wanted to undergo the proper therapy.
Get it right.
And I (and everyone else who had taken Logic 101) concluded that you came to the conclusion that you didn’t like homos and then found “facts” to back up your thesis!
Here is where you take a twisted turn, as usual!
First of all you made sweeping generalizations. You assume that it is logical to assume that I did not like homosexuals therefore I gathered data that made them look bad. You also made the generalization that everyone who is logical agrees with you.
Both are incorrect!
One can first do research and then draw the conclusion that homosexuality is dangerous. And also that homosexuals can change if they have proper therapy.
And certainly no logical individual can draw a conclusion from the above set of facts that I hate homosexuals. The “you hate gay people” drum beat is there to dissuade any and all who speak out against an act (and lifestyle) that is killing homosexuals faster than just about any other group, including drug addicts and alcoholics.
You can take the politically correct road and be an “enabler” if you want. I’m going to stand for the truth and try to actually help. And I do it in my “off line” life as well.
It could just be that I have been touched personally by the struggles of loved ones who have been down that road.
Hate is the last thing that I have for my fellow man, especially those who are homosexual!
How about you?
It seems that many of your posts are dripping with hate towards any and all who hold an opposing view.
Gosh, I wish everyone were as smart as you!
I never claimed to be smarter than anyone on this board including you. I have to try very hard to keep up with those whom I consider to have a very high intellect.
I have no problem admitting that.
But I can tell you this: There is no one who is more persistent! And there is nothing that you or anyone else can say that will prevent me from getting the truth out to all who care to read it!
And that is probably the walk away message I want you to hold onto in this particular post.[/quote]
The “walk away” message that I have gotten is that you’re absolutely deluded.
You can scream about loving gays and hating the act all you want; it strikes everyone with a clear mind that all your studies that show homosexuality can be cured come from fundie groups.
You have also stated that Jews, Budddhists, Muslims, and just about everyone else is wrong and you are right. Which is just kinda retar
And the truly pathetic thing–that, quite frankly, I’ve been not saying out of respect for fellow posters–is that all religion is, you know: made up.
It’s fiction. You believe in fairy tales and I do feel bad for you.
ded.
Thunder,
You and I don’t always agree on the boards, but I specifically remember your entry into this topic and the very careful and respectful way you stepped onto the field of combat.
I’m pretty certain arrogant Ivan fired the first shot.
[quote]steveo5801 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
DPH wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
True Christians will follow Christ.
this statement seems ambiguous…
are you saying that accepting Jesus as your lord and savior is not enough to be a Christian?
a ‘true’ Christian doesn’t ever ‘mess up’ after accepting Jesus?
a ‘true’ Christian must also be as ‘Christ’ like as possible?
It’s not that it’s ambiguous, it’s that the statement is: A) a tautology; B) an example of the ‘True Scotsman’ fallacy; and, C) a faulty comparison. To wit–
A) “True Christians follow Christ” is a self-referential statement, otherwise known as a tautology. Other examples are “Boys will be boys”, and “I am what I am.” As these statements mean nothing without previous knowledge of the subject, they are essentially meaningless.
B) The true Scotsman fallacy goes as follows:
“All true Scotsman play golf.”
“But, what about Shamus? He’s from Scotland and he doesn’t golf.”
“Ah, then he must not be a true Scotsman.”
So, you see, this is a way to limit the range of the subject by applying a bullshit modifier that can be defined at will by the party making the argument.
C) Faulty comparison
This is one I scream at my students for. In the sentence written by Little Steve, true Christian, follow Christ the person. To the movies, the mall, etc. What Little Steve intended was "True Christians follow Christ’s [i] teachings[i].
So, students, we see that Steve has shown himself to be a self-righteous schmuck three times in four words.
Harris,
The tenor of your posts, the language you choose to use, and your ignorance of facts, concern me given the fact that you are supposedly teaching children.
That being said, the word “Christian” if you break it down, does, in fact, mean “follower of Messiah,” which in turn then means that one who calls himself “Christian” will follow the Messiah – i.e. Christ. See?
Now perhaps you will come back with something useful and intelligent – but I am not holding my breath!
Here are the words of Christ that you should really consider:
[b][i]
“?A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. ?But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. ?For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” Matthew 12:35-37
[/b][/i]
So, you really wrote “True followers of Christ follow Christ?”
That’s just moronic.
You should worry about me teaching children. Every kid that comes through my classroom leaves having been taught one thing above all others: Don’t accept other people’s horseshit.
Well, I do know one thing, they probably learn many 4-letter and vulgar words that they either didn’t know before or thought that it was wrong to use. So I guess your “gift” to them will be that they have learned that when they get upset and someone or something, it is OK to let the vulgarity fly. I am sure the parents appreciate you so much Harris!
[quote]
First off, schmuck, I don’t curse in front of the kids. A sane and intelligent human would have just assumed that. Possibly, one reason I don’t curse in front of the kids is I teach in a wonderfully progressive part of the country where people don’t live their lives in fear of invisible super-heros in the sky.[quote]
Such as utterly retarded bible verses which DON’T MEAN ANYTHING.
What is the tenor of my posts? Irritation with your anti-intellectualism and sheep-like beliefs in silliness?
What about my language? If this god you seem to love so much invented language, he also invented the word ‘fuck’.
Well, when you stand before God Harris, why don’t you thank Him for “inventing” this wonderful word that you love to use so much. I am certain that God will appreciate that.
[quote]
- There is no god.
- If there is, he has a sense of humor.
- You’re speaking for god now? You know that god would and wouldn’t like?
[quote]
My ignornce of facts? I’m actually sitting here laughing at you. I live in a fact-based world.
Oh, I feel sooooo bad that you are laughing at me. Oh, you really runied my day now!
Whereas you think science is faith and Reagan was a good president and the bible can be proven true.
Science when it delves into things unprovable is religion, Reagan was a great President, and the Bible while it cannot be proven mathematically, has survived because it is true. Remember, in science if a theory has not been proven false, it is then accepted if it reasonably fits the facts. Well, the Bible has never been “proven” wrong.
[quote]
The bible has not been proven wrong for the same reason [i] Hop on Pop [i] has not been proven wrong: because it’s fiction.
The bible has not survived all these years because it is “true”, it has survived because the people who want it to survive control the armies.
Anyway, I am done “talking” to you Harris. Please read the posts, read your Bible, and beg God to forgive you of your sins. Perhaps he will show mercy upon your poor pathetic soul.
[quote]
I sleep like a baby at night. If god hs a problem with me, he can suck my cock.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Thunder,
You and I don’t always agree on the boards, but I specifically remember your entry into this topic and the very careful and respectful way you stepped onto the field of combat.
I’m pretty certain arrogant Ivan fired the first shot.[/quote]
Not only that, but Ivan has failed miserably to actually respond to the posts that Thunder has written with any amount of validity or consistency. I mean, honestly, does anyone on this board now respect Ivan more after this thread? Steve is quite a close second as far as that is concerned as well.
Simply talking about God does not make you better than any other Christians, especially if the result of doing so is a MORE negative outlook on religion by those who listen to you.
Unfortunately, this thread has become more of an argument over who is right rather than a what is right. What is right is the important issue - since that has been forgotten, the thread has reached an unprofitable point.
Final words - Let’s remember where this thread started:
TERRIBLEIVAN’S ORIGINAL POST
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Christians have tremendous strength in face of adversity and in times of tribulation. Here’s a story to illustrate my point.
I was speaking to a client the other day, and I come to find out that her husband just passed away due to cancer. He was in his mid-50’s. It was a slow and painful process - very hard on the family emotionally and financially.
As if that isn’t enough, the woman tells me she lost her son a few years ago in a car accident. He was in his early twenties.
Yet, through it all, she finds comfort knowing that she will see them again in heaven. You see, she was from a strong Christian family that put God first, family second, and everything else last.
She is a wonderful example of Christian strength!
I don’t have any great power stories of my own - none like this anyway. So, I share her’s. What I wonder is, does anyone else have similar stories that show the strength and power that comes from Jesus Christ?[/quote]
Great intentions brought down by hate. Very sad.
The hyenas may have the carcass back now.
SIDE NOTE: Praise be to God for this thread! The onslaught I have endured has given me a deeper realization of just how much Jesus really endured for us sinners. Thanks to all for making that possible.
Have you folks noticed that for the most part, the non-believers have stayed away from this thread and it still devolved into a TSB? Must be all the extra T floating around in here 
[quote]btm62 wrote:
miniross wrote:
btm62 wrote:
You the only difference between Christians and non-Christians?
Christians are forgiven.
A good point I think.
Also ponder this fellow Christians, how did you come to be a Christian? Was it something you did? I’ll bet it was by the GRACE of God.
I’m the worst Christian in world. So was Peter. Peter the Rock. Its not about works and deeds, (lest any man should boast.)
Its about love.
That is what Christ was about. Its what he IS all about.
Its not important to be right and argue. Its important to love one another.
Peace.
What if you love to argue?
Does that count.
Also, you are either a christian or not.
Are you saying that you are a debauched christian, because that would make you normal!
If you love to argue, you are in the right thread…obviously.
Apparently you think of Christianity like golf, either ya like it or ya don’t. Great statement. Shows complete mastery of the obvious.
No, not a debauched Christian, just a sinner. That makes me normal. Being forgiven is the prize.
Did you disagree with anything specific in my post or were you just reveling in your wit and smartassery?
[/quote]
just my smartassery. good word. call websters.
going to heaven is surely the prize.
And again, i thought god forgave all? i dont know and dont really care either way.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I’m calling TSB on arrogant Ivan.
You do know what TSB stands for, right Ivan?
TUBE STEAK BOOGIE!!!
Now, I don’t think your pure eyes are allowed to see this thread anymore. Sorry.[/quote]
yes, the sit does stink, doesn’t it.
yah boo terrible ivan.
I am laughing my arse off.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
Unfortunately, this thread has become more of an argument over who is right rather than a what is right. What is right is the important issue - since that has been forgotten, the thread has reached an unprofitable point.
Final words - Let’s remember where this thread started:
TERRIBLEIVAN’S ORIGINAL POST
terribleivan wrote:
Christians have tremendous strength in face of adversity and in times of tribulation. Here’s a story to illustrate my point.
I was speaking to a client the other day, and I come to find out that her husband just passed away due to cancer. He was in his mid-50’s. It was a slow and painful process - very hard on the family emotionally and financially.
As if that isn’t enough, the woman tells me she lost her son a few years ago in a car accident. He was in his early twenties.
Yet, through it all, she finds comfort knowing that she will see them again in heaven. You see, she was from a strong Christian family that put God first, family second, and everything else last.
She is a wonderful example of Christian strength!
I don’t have any great power stories of my own - none like this anyway. So, I share her’s. What I wonder is, does anyone else have similar stories that show the strength and power that comes from Jesus Christ?
Great intentions brought down by hate. Very sad.
The hyenas may have the carcass back now.
SIDE NOTE: Praise be to God for this thread! The onslaught I have endured has given me a deeper realization of just how much Jesus really endured for us sinners. Thanks to all for making that possible.[/quote]
do you have the word tosser in the US?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Fine with me, but I fear you must not be a ‘true’ Christian for doing so. According to TerribleIvan, with whom you’ve cast your lot - and association is very important to you - if you don’t condemn every inquity encountered, you are a pseudo-Christian or a false Christian. More on this later.[/quote]
You are now ceasing to make sense my very confused conservative friend.
You have “cast your lot” with pox! Let me see…that would mean that YOU agree with every word he has typed on every post!
Now isn’t that nutty?
Why don’t you go out and come in again?
Hold on a second. A waste of time? As opposed to debating Iraq policy with liberals?
One can argue that this entire experience is a “waste of time.”
Does that in any way remind you of the typical political thread?
And you’re not!
Some of pox has worn off on you.
You are comparing my insistence that this Christian thread should not have been invaded by atheists, agnostics and others who came attacking, to blowing up an abortion clinic?
Sheesh…that pox influence is stronger than I first thought.
No, no you are not “anti-Christian.” You are anti this Christian thread. You are siding with many who do happen to be “anti-Christian.” That alone should have given you pause to think.
I reported you as MIA on the proper side in this thread. What another poster wrote about you I am no fully aware of. But keep in mind, you can always take it up with whomever is bothering you.
[quote]It started because of exacty what I predicted - religious arguing is at a high pitch and it merely transferred to this thread.
What was the need for anyone to attack such a thread. Reread the original post I have put it up for pox. Simply lumping it in with other Christian threads is not grounds for the trouncing that you and the others perpetrated on the original poster.
Honestly, Zeb - you sound like whiney liberals playing the victim card you have complained about.[/quote]
Whiney liberal? Ha ha…okay that did it: Put em up! (takes jacket off) come on…put em up!
Seriously, there was no need for anyone to come in attacking the way they did. If you think about over the next few weeks you might have a change of heart.
[quote]And just so you know, I didn’t trounce anyone - I objectively explained why I thought the thread was not a great idea. I did not attack TerribleIvan in any way personal. However, it was no time before my objective criticism was denounced as un-Christian, that I had taken with atheists, and that I had stood in the way of nameless lurkers’ eternal salvation.
Rest assured, once tapped, I would respond in kind.[/quote]
Gee thunder…maybe I have given you more credit than you deserve. If I entered a thread debating on the side of pookie, pox and the others in any political debate I think you would probably not just be surprised but also be swinging as well.
If you examine exactly what I have written you will notice that it has been “pro” this thread, not anti any particular poster. That you have lumped me with others seems odd since you have just complained about YOU being lumped with others.
Well…I was always taught that it’s important to “plant a seed” wherever you can. When that seed is deliberately dug up by atheists I simply plant another one.
Again, your efforts are wasted. You should be debating with the atheists why they have chosen to wreck every Christian thread that was started.
Did that ever occur to you?
My desire is not to jump on the back of any Christian, including yourself. My desire was to see that this post continue on as the original post was well intended in my view.
I don’t think that it should be your job to attack Christians either. As I said there are others who are more deserving of your venom.
I can only state what I have seen, and have not seen.
Yet you apparently have a great deal of interest in preventing Christian threads…at least this one.
Dumb? That’s two.
Okay, let’s put this another way. If you began a thread and he jumped in telling you that your thread was illigitimate, wrong minded and should never have been started would you take that as a direct attack?
Of course you would. Try to put yourself in his shoes. That is a difficult thing to do for any of us, but in this case would be helpful.
[quote]And, by the way, you did all that you could to make sure that this thread was not effective.
Actually, no, and stop the victimology - I voiced concerns that it would dissolve into something unproductive quickly. Once TerribleIvan, etc. decided to chastise my comments as something that they were not, I defended myself. If you didn’t like my reaction and its effects, don’t poke a bear with a stick.[/quote]
But who poked who first? Reread my prior comment. It was not up to you to attack someone elses thread saying it should never have been posted.
And you think that YOU were “poked” first?
Come on…
And the next time that you begin a thread I will jump on saying it should never have been posted. And if along side me are pox and pookie…well I’m sure you’ll understand…RIGHT?
[quote]Where is your condmnation for those who constantly barge into the few Christian threads and wreck them?
MIA again!
I don’t involve myself in those threads, Zeb - [/quote]
Yea, I noticed. But you DO involve yourself in attempting to prevent a Christian thread from going forward. Odd I think.
[quote]Yes, you are standing pretty tall with a handful of atheists and agnostics. Because YOU judged it to be enough.
I see.
Your cheap and lazy attempts to slur me by associating with the hated atheists is not only weak, silly, and falling harmlessly to the ground,[/quote]
No actually I am just calling it as I see it. There are a handful of atheists and agnostics trying to ruin a thread and you agreed with them.
How is explaining the truth somehow “weak and silly?”
You see now that was silly…
Oh I see…then you wanted the thread to continue right? No wait that’s not exactly what you said huh?
You are claiming that because you do not have the POWER to censor that you are then not censoring. Do I have that right?
When in reality you claimed that this post should not have been written.
Funny…
Whiney (atheist) liberals also try to prevent Christian threads. Does that mean that you are one now?
May I suggest a better pair of glasses?
[quote]I think I get it. It’s just that when YOU and a handful of atheists and agnostics think that this is no time for a Christian thread that it gives you the right to wreck it.
Again, the cheap attempt at associating with the hated atheists. Whiff. Second, I didn’t wreck a thing - my initial post was no attack.[/quote]
A. you agreed with that group. So, no cheap association there.
B. The fact that you did not want the thread to exist and called into question it’s validity helped wreck it.
[quote]Your answer to the problem which you perceive is to silence the Christians.
Laughable. I am not trying to silence Christians. [/quote]
Then stop attacking the legitimacy of Christian threads and it won’t look like you are trying to silence Christian threads.
Simple huh?
I agree, but you DID try to silence this thread. And it was in direct relation with a handful of atheist who were trying to do the same thing.
Can you see how that might look?
Partisans? If one is a Christian um…I guess they are partisan.
Okay thunder talk to you another time…
[quote]miniross wrote:
btm62 wrote:
miniross wrote:
btm62 wrote:
You the only difference between Christians and non-Christians?
Christians are forgiven.
A good point I think.
Also ponder this fellow Christians, how did you come to be a Christian? Was it something you did? I’ll bet it was by the GRACE of God.
I’m the worst Christian in world. So was Peter. Peter the Rock. Its not about works and deeds, (lest any man should boast.)
Its about love.
That is what Christ was about. Its what he IS all about.
Its not important to be right and argue. Its important to love one another.
Peace.
What if you love to argue?
Does that count.
Also, you are either a christian or not.
Are you saying that you are a debauched christian, because that would make you normal!
If you love to argue, you are in the right thread…obviously.
Apparently you think of Christianity like golf, either ya like it or ya don’t. Great statement. Shows complete mastery of the obvious.
No, not a debauched Christian, just a sinner. That makes me normal. Being forgiven is the prize.
Did you disagree with anything specific in my post or were you just reveling in your wit and smartassery?
just my smartassery. good word. call websters.
going to heaven is surely the prize.
And again, i thought god forgave all? i dont know and dont really care either way.
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Thanks, I made it up just for you. Seems to fit pretty well.
God does forgive all. All ya gotta do is ask.
If you don’t care so much, why do you waste your time in these forums?
Cheerio old bloke!
There are so many reasons why this thread went wrong it isn’t funny.
In case anyone wants to know about the problems I presented Ivan with there are solutions to them.
I don’t hate the KJV I read it on a daily basis ( I grew up reading it, I have memorized more verses out of it, it is feels comfortable).
Ivan I wish you the best on your pursuit of God. I commend you for your passion for the faith. My prayer is that as you go on you will convey the message in a way that is received by many with out compromising the tenants of Christianity.
in Christ love
haney
[quote]harris447 wrote:
You can scream about loving gays and hating the act all you want; it strikes everyone with a clear mind that all your studies that show homosexuality can be cured come from fundie groups.[/quote]
Not true, while this is not the thread for it say the word and I will PM you independent studies which have demonstrated that same sex attraction can be changed! And since it has never been proven to be genetic why not?
And Jews, Buddhists and Muslims think that they are corret and Christianity is wrong. The good part is, we all get to find out one day.
It’s fiction. You believe in fairy tales and I do feel bad for you.
ded.[/quote]
I wondered what the exact reason was for all of your nasty, bitter profanity filled posts. Now I get it.
And from the bottom of my heart I feel sorry for you.
Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Ivan, I am astonished, you think you have had to suffer and endure something? If facing disagreement is hardship enough to give you insight into enduring, you are one sheltered and naive little puppy.
This thread is as nothing. The woman in your first post has learned to endure. Idiot.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
I sleep like a baby at night. If god hs a problem with me, he can suck my cock.
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Just when we all thought that you could not get any more loathsome, you sink to yet a new level.
[quote]vroom wrote:
SIDE NOTE: Praise be to God for this thread! The onslaught I have endured has given me a deeper realization of just how much Jesus really endured for us sinners. Thanks to all for making that possible.
Talk about delusions of grandeur!
Ivan, I am astonished, you think you have had to suffer and endure something? If facing disagreement is hardship enough to give you insight into enduring, you are one sheltered and naive little puppy.
This thread is as nothing. The woman in your first post has learned to endure. Idiot.[/quote]
vroom,
In all fairness his first post on beginning this thread did not call for an onslaught of attacks such as he has endured.
Sure it’s only a message board and falls short of real personal torment. But nobody likes to be ridiculed, including you and I.
Let’s end this thread the way that terribleivan began it, before all the attacks came, in peace.
Zeb,
I certainly see where you are coming from.
On the other hand, it looks like Ivan is trying so hard to be true to his beliefs, that he has forgotten was those beliefs are essentially about.
If his getting smacked around a bit helps him to eventually put some thought into his actions, so he can better see his path, is it ultimately good or bad to be duking it out?
Due to strange ways and all that, I won’t claim to know the answer…
Wait a minute…does anyone really think that the crap on this or any other thread (before feelings are hurt I’m talking about communication not content) could possibly be taken as an attack?? Give me a break. What in the world has happened to your BACK BONE.
To even begin to compare this silly internet discussion with the suffering of Christ is pussified!!