[quote]MikeShank wrote:
No problem Master Blaster, I will take your advice wholeheartedly.
You can call me a putz anyday!
sincerely,
mkshank[/quote]
thanks Mike! I hope you’ll extend me the same courtesy!
[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
Why would you honour the memory of someone whose policies you did not agree with and who you did not like?[/quote]
When Nixon died, I didn’t take the opportunity to start ranting about what a lying dirtbag he was. Have an ounce of fucking respect, you pecker.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
When Nixon died, I didn’t take the opportunity to start ranting about what a lying dirtbag he was. Have an ounce of fucking respect, you pecker.
[/quote]
OOPS! Sorry I called you a pecker, dude. It wasn’t you who was sullying this thead with anti-JPII stuff. My bad.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
here you go, miniross, here’s what the “lank haired paddy” had to say.
Bono: Pope Was Catholic Church’s ‘Best Front Man’
DUBLIN (Reuters) - Pope John Paul II was the “best front man” the Roman Catholic Church ever had, U2’s own front man Bono said Sunday.
The men, both named as nominees for this year’s Nobel Peace Prize, campaigned together to end world debt. The lead singer of the Irish rock band once famously gave the Pope his trademark wraparound sunglasses to put on during a meeting, dubbing him “the first funky Pontiff.”
“A great show man, a great communicator of ideas even if you didn’t agree with all of them, a great friend to the world’s poor which is how I got to meet him,” Bono said in a statement.
“Without John Paul II its hard to imagine the Drop the Debt campaign succeeding as it did,” Bono said, referring to an activist movement which seeks to convince wealthy nations to cancel the debts of the world’s poorest countries.
The Pope met Bono, along with other pop stars, aid workers and economists, in 1999 to push for rich nations to write off third world debt by the year 2000 and demanded to know why the West was dragging its feet.
“How could you turn this man down?” Bono said at the time.
A fan of popular culture, the Pope once invited Bob Dylan to perform for him at a church congress in Bologna and joined the Eurythmics, Alanis Morissette and Lou Reed at a concert in Rome in aid of debt reduction.
In January last year at the Vatican, the pontiff even presided over a performance of breakdancers from his home country of Poland.
[/quote]
I see the error of using bono now.
I heard that he was into parkour also.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
here you go, miniross, here’s what the “lank haired paddy” had to say.
Bono: Pope Was Catholic Church’s ‘Best Front Man’
DUBLIN (Reuters) - Pope John Paul II was the “best front man” the Roman Catholic Church ever had, U2’s own front man Bono said Sunday.
The men, both named as nominees for this year’s Nobel Peace Prize, campaigned together to end world debt. The lead singer of the Irish rock band once famously gave the Pope his trademark wraparound sunglasses to put on during a meeting, dubbing him “the first funky Pontiff.”
“A great show man, a great communicator of ideas even if you didn’t agree with all of them, a great friend to the world’s poor which is how I got to meet him,” Bono said in a statement.
“Without John Paul II its hard to imagine the Drop the Debt campaign succeeding as it did,” Bono said, referring to an activist movement which seeks to convince wealthy nations to cancel the debts of the world’s poorest countries.
The Pope met Bono, along with other pop stars, aid workers and economists, in 1999 to push for rich nations to write off third world debt by the year 2000 and demanded to know why the West was dragging its feet.
“How could you turn this man down?” Bono said at the time.
A fan of popular culture, the Pope once invited Bob Dylan to perform for him at a church congress in Bologna and joined the Eurythmics, Alanis Morissette and Lou Reed at a concert in Rome in aid of debt reduction.
In January last year at the Vatican, the pontiff even presided over a performance of breakdancers from his home country of Poland.
[/quote]
I have re read it.
I knew i should have chosen yasa arafat. then again, maybe not.
Jesuit Father James V. Schall, a political scientist and prolific author who teaches at Georgetown University, wrote: “We live during the time of perhaps the greatest of popes. . . . What John Paul II does is to tell the truth when no one else tells us the truth. . . . What maddens his critics and enemies is his wisdom. They will be known as those who lived in his time but did not notice.”
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Orbitalboner wrote:
Why would you honour the memory of someone whose policies you did not agree with and who you did not like?
When Nixon died, I didn’t take the opportunity to start ranting about what a lying dirtbag he was. Have an ounce of fucking respect, you pecker.
[/quote]
So wait, you think we should respect people just because they die? What is your reasoning behind that? Swearing really lends credibility to your posts btw…
[quote]Orbitalboner wrote:
So wait, you think we should respect people just because they die? What is your reasoning behind that? Swearing really lends credibility to your posts btw…[/quote]
Dude, I swear in just about every one of my posts. Especially in the Political Forum. And I did apologize for calling you a pecker, didn’t I?
To answer your question, yes, you respect somebody when they die. We even have a ritual thingy where everyone dresses in black and says a few kind words about the accomplishments of the deceased. If you want to talk smack about JPII or Catholicism in general, feel free to go over to the “Kick em while they’re down” thread and pipe up. That’s why I started it. From the responses he’s given to the negative posters here, I doubt that Joe Weider wanted this thread to turn into JPII hate-fest.
Oh! and I almost forgot:
Fuck Shit Damn Hell Ass Dick Bitch Cunt.
That’s better.
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
Jesuit Father James V. Schall, a political scientist and prolific author who teaches at Georgetown University, wrote: “We live during the time of perhaps the greatest of popes. . . . What John Paul II does is to tell the truth when no one else tells us the truth. . . . What maddens his critics and enemies is his wisdom. They will be known as those who lived in his time but did not notice.”[/quote]
or more precisely, did not care.
I have had this discussion with many catolic collegues of mine, and the common thread is they supported him on many stances, but wrt contraception, aids and allowing ignorance to spread (the women, for example, dont always have that choice) they disagreed vehomently.
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Oh! and I almost forgot:
Fuck Shit Damn Hell Ass Dick Bitch Cunt.
That’s better.
[/quote]
no swearing.
“makes baby jesus cry”… tod (simpsons)
Oh, well, that says it all then. Your colleagues must be wiser than the late Pope John Paul II. What amazing intellects they must be!
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
Oh, well, that says it all then. Your colleagues must be wiser than the late Pope John Paul II. What amazing intellects they must be![/quote]
no, they are practicing catholics. the pope is a world face of the religion. It is that he does not represent this section of followers.
that said, if he did, he would alienate the rest.
As it happens, they are relatively intelligent, even for practicing catholics.
ok lets dumb it down for a minute.
blaming the catholic church and their stance on birth control for killing africans through hiv/aids is ridiculous IMO…sure, it may be a minute factor in some ways…but come on people! if i told you “don’t bang this chick without a condom because that is the church’s policy, BUT oh by the way, there is a good chance you will catch aids and DIE a horrible death if you don’t wear one” …what would you do? you’d put the condom on…or put your cock back in your pants. plain and simple. i think anyone in their right mind values their life over a piece of ass.
and if a person is such a devout catholic that they would follow the churches’ stance on birth control to a tee…then they wouldn’t be having pre-marital sex in the first place. it just doesn’t jive.
its definately more a lack of education and knowledge that are killing those people. blame their political leaders for sitting on their asses while an epidemic runs wild throughout their respective countries. i don’t deny that the churches’ stance may be a factor, just not as relevant as many have tried to point out.
sure JPII was a leftist and traditionalist when it came to his own church. his policies were heavily stacked with those qualities. but denouncing or simply ignoring his vast political, social and spiritual influence on the world and its leaders/people of all religions is just ludicrous.
on a grand scale, the positives vastly outweigh any negatives when looking at this man and his legacy. its unfortunate and puzzling why some people will choose to let a few controversial aspects of his legacy overshadow the superior amount of good he has done.
miniross,
I beleive you haven’t the faintest idea of church history, doctrine, or how it operates. I’ve seen arguments alluded to and addressed that you either ignore or just plain can’t recognize. You need to brush up on your subject before you make these generalizations.
The formal Church being a religion is not a political party. Long held beleifs and its version of “truth” don’t change on merely whimsical ideas. If good sound logic and reasoning can be presented that back up an argument to change Church doctrine without affecting the underlying theology. It will eventually get noticed. Look at Vatican II. Contraception is a non-issue. There has been nothing of the sort. Women in the church has only just begun to see actual scholarly work in this regard. Compare the amount of scholarly work done for this compared to the amount done for say… The Arian heresy. And the experts involved.
There has always been disagreement between the head of the Church and how its people beleive. Even Fathers and Doctors of the Church are just plain wrong sometime. Tertullian eventually became a Montanist! Augustine boarded on Gnosticism. And not all of his theology is sound in the least. There is such a world out there.
It’d be like telling Jainists that its not wrong to use a bug killer to stop the spread of some malicious diesese that is ravaging Africa and killing millions. It still intimately violates their faith and it wouldn’t be changed.
Some of these rudimentary arguments are baffling. I don’t know how these conclusions can be drawn. The Church isn’t trying to appease the majority of its “beleivers”. You’re either with it or you have your deviations, but the Church doesn’t change its carefully constructed understanding to make some numb-nuts happy.