Political Correctness

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Ironskape wrote:
I’ll ask again: when has denouncing political correctness ever been anything but defending punching down? I admit that there are plenty of times when people go overboard: Trevor Noah comes to mind. (Hey! An example! Man, that was tough to instantly recall from memory and type.) But it’s mostly about being a dick. Free speech is more robust than it ever has been before; people only complain about the “PC police” when they’re called out for being shitty to other people.

On one final note, because I have a feeling this post will just generate further dickery, here’s a quote from the recently fired Donald Trump:

“Mr. Trump stands by his statements on illegal immigration, which are accurate. NBC is weak, and like everybody else is trying to be politically correct— that is why our country is in serious trouble.”

I think, as a rule, if Donald Trump is on your side, you’re wrong.

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Barrack Obama was called out by the political correctness police for calling the Baltimore rioters, “thugs.”

It was real tough to come up with an example from my brain and type it out. I guess Obama’s only half white, heterosexual, and supposedly a Christian. 2.5 / 3 ain’t bad though…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Ironskape wrote:

I’ll ask again: when has denouncing political correctness ever been anything but defending punching down? [/quote]

That small little world you live in, it’s called a bubble. Try even just reading outside yours once in awhile.

…well I guess I’ve been bested, then. Curse your superior intellect!!

You’re right, I’m letting my liberal sensitivities get the better of my judgement. We should all be allowed to say whatever we want, with no fear of consequence. I’m going to put that into use right now!

You see, I’m sick of listening to these Christians I work with talk about “going to church” and “worshiping God”. I mean, I don’t agree with that! I think it’s dumb! And here this whole “political correctness” nonsense has had me sitting respectfully, listening to their alternative lifestyle (which is stupid based on my beliefs!), and not saying anything that would upset them.

That ends today! I’m going to tell them that I think their religion is stupid. Every one of them! Every client I train that keeps trying to get me to come to their church is now going to get an earful! Every coworker who wears a cross necklace shall face my vengeance!

Ah, but what do you think will happen? I’ll probably get fired, or at the very least reprimanded with “sensitivity training”. I see it now: this is the problem with political correctness! I can’t be shitty to people I don’t agree with!

I guess I’ll have to continue treating these filthy Christians with respect and dignity until some brave, kind soul puts an end to this PC Reich!

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

I think, as a rule, if Donald Trump is on your side, you’re wrong.

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Oh I don’t know about that. Unlike most of the limp wristed politicians who have never had a real job (think Obama here), much less made 8 billion dollars Trump seems to have made far more correct decisions than wrong ones. Is he my first choice for President, no. But he’d be a far better pick than say a former first lady with ZERO accomplishments to her name.

As for what he had to say about illegal aliens he is SPOT ON! I know it’s hard for some on the left to understand but Mexico is not exactly sending us (illegally) their best and brightest.

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

I guess I’ll have to continue treating these filthy Christians with respect and dignity until some brave, kind soul puts an end to this PC Reich! [/quote]

Actually, you should be able to say what you want right? Someone’s feeling that they’ve being offended does not trump (ha I said trump) your right of free speech. So, you go at those God fearing folks and tell them what you think. Of course they have a right to tell you what they think.

America it used to be a beautiful thing. And will again…

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:
I mean, providing examples [/quote]

But I gave an example of a mental exercise I’ve used with people to get them to see the dangers of PC and resultant generalizations, stereotypes and general bigotry and bullying that follows in its path.

PC and social shaming that becomes those that don’t prostrate themselves to the fickle and ever changing “majority public opinion” is in it’s most basic form, bullying. That isn’t to say that we aren’t better off that people don’t feel comfortable saying ignorant things like “darkie” or “cracker” on a Thursday night sitcom or news broadcast.

The issue comes to play when people don’t know they’ve won. And push, and push, and demand compliance. As to the later, mandated compliance isn’t victory, it is oppression. In the instance of the former, look no further than Friday’s ruling. “Love wins” is turning into “destroy religious people”.

Someone wants to attack Westboro? Feel free, I’ll even hand out lemonade while you picket and destroy those hateful people. But don’t confuse project the actions of those individuals unto the whole, all the while claiming to not be racist, bigots, or tolerant in anyway. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and if you want “vengeance for years of oppression” fine, but don’t be disingenuous and pretend “love wins”. It isn’t about love if you want vengeance.

I’m getting off topic. The heart of the matter is, PC was an idea to effect change, positive change (some call Franfurt ultra evil, but to them the ends justify the means, even though many would hate their ends, but I digress…) just so happens the this “positive” has been pushed too far in some instances and inexplicitly and ultra biasedly selectively used.

Clinton signed DOMA with a smile… Why isn’t he and his wife being destroyed? Why doesn’t he have an entry right next to “Santorum” in the urban dictionary that also relates to something fecal? Oh right, because he bats for the PC police’s team? It certainly isn’t because he’s a white Christian male…

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Ironskape wrote:

I’ll ask again: when has denouncing political correctness ever been anything but defending punching down? [/quote]

That small little world you live in, it’s called a bubble. Try even just reading outside yours once in awhile.

…well I guess I’ve been bested, then. Curse your superior intellect!!

You’re right, I’m letting my liberal sensitivities get the better of my judgement. We should all be allowed to say whatever we want, with no fear of consequence. I’m going to put that into use right now!

You see, I’m sick of listening to these Christians I work with talk about “going to church” and “worshiping God”. I mean, I don’t agree with that! I think it’s dumb! And here this whole “political correctness” nonsense has had me sitting respectfully, listening to their alternative lifestyle (which is stupid based on my beliefs!), and not saying anything that would upset them.

That ends today! I’m going to tell them that I think their religion is stupid. Every one of them! Every client I train that keeps trying to get me to come to their church is now going to get an earful! Every coworker who wears a cross necklace shall face my vengeance!

Ah, but what do you think will happen? I’ll probably get fired, or at the very least reprimanded with “sensitivity training”. I see it now: this is the problem with political correctness! I can’t be shitty to people I don’t agree with!

I guess I’ll have to continue treating these filthy Christians with respect and dignity until some brave, kind soul puts an end to this PC Reich! [/quote]

reductio ad absurdum sprinkled with sarcasm … you’re batting 1.000 today chief

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

…well I guess I’ve been bested, then. Curse your superior intellect!![/quote]

Didn’t you jump into the thread complaining about logical fallacy, and then used it in everyone of your posts since?

Point out, one single time, anyone here said anything remotely close to “with no fear of consequence”.

Thanks. Until you do that, your post is nonsense. (It’s rubbish because it conflates you being a respectful and decent person with PC, but that is besides the point.)

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:
We should all be allowed to say whatever we want, with no fear of consequence. [/quote]

Who in the hell ever advocated this?

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:
Ah, but what do you think will happen? I’ll probably get fired, or at the very least reprimanded with “sensitivity training”. I see it now: this is the problem with political correctness! I can’t be shitty to people I don’t agree with!

I guess I’ll have to continue treating these filthy Christians with respect and dignity until some brave, kind soul puts an end to this PC Reich! [/quote]

You are so right! No PC non-sense in this country!

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Barrack Obama was called out by the political correctness police for calling the Baltimore rioters, “thugs.” [/quote]

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No political correctness non-sense. None at all…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Didn’t you jump into the thread complaining about logical fallacy, and then used it in everyone of your posts since?

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There’s a difference between using strawmen as evidence (I would have described that church-going woman as “my aunt, or someone like her”, but it’s easier for you to say I’d call her a bigot) and pointing out that the people who complain about PC seem to be higher on the ladder than the groups they want to condemn. I’m biased. You are too. This is not a hard science issue.

Then what the hell is the problem with PC? People are complaining that PC is “the death of truth” and a way of “warping” language. How? How is not calling someone a slur or using a more respectful term or generalizing races, religions, or ethnicity any of those things?

PC is a problem when it’s a threat to free speech. Free speech is stronger than it’s ever been. PC is not a problem.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No political correctness non-sense. None at all…

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So, the protesters burning down buildings to protest police racism and brutality are “thugs”, and the protesters burning down buildings to protest the firing of a football coach complicit in the molestation of children are “angry students”.

I’m not saying the case is cut and dry, but I’m lending credence to the idea that the race of the protesters affects our opinion of them.

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No political correctness non-sense. None at all…

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So, the protesters burning down buildings to protest police racism and brutality are “thugs”, and the protesters burning down buildings to protest the firing of a football coach complicit in the molestation of children are “angry students”.

I’m not saying the case is cut and dry, but I’m lending credence to the idea that the race of the protesters affects our opinion of them. [/quote]

Whose opinion? And I have a question for you, at what point would a “protester” burning down a building (regardless of what they say is the reason for said act of arson) be considered a rioter?

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

Then what the hell is the problem with PC? People are complaining that PC is “the death of truth” and a way of “warping” language. How? How is not calling someone a slur or using a more respectful term or generalizing races, religions, or ethnicity any of those things?
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PC is in fact the death of truth. A person might be unable to state facts for fear of being called homophobic, racist, sexist or a number of other things even though they are not. Although you can still insult Christians, in fact, from what I’ve seen and read from those in the media that seems quite popular.

Think about it a while before you respond.

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Do you think racist Obama would have allowed white people to destroy part of a major city?

Think again.

(Seemed like an appropriate place to mention it)

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
No political correctness non-sense. None at all…

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So, the protesters burning down buildings to protest police racism and brutality are “thugs”, and the protesters burning down buildings to protest the firing of a football coach complicit in the molestation of children are “angry students”.

I’m not saying the case is cut and dry, but I’m lending credence to the idea that the race of the protesters affects our opinion of them. [/quote]

I doesn’t affect my opinion of them. Both sets are thugs. Skin color has zero to do with it.

Regardless, the point is, The President was lambasted for using the term. I can only assume it was the white portion of the President brain that thought to call the Baltimore rioters thugs.

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Didn’t you jump into the thread complaining about logical fallacy, and then used it in everyone of your posts since?

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There’s a difference between using strawmen as evidence (I would have described that church-going woman as “my aunt, or someone like her”, but it’s easier for you to say I’d call her a bigot)[/quote]

From someone who came in here carrying the “white Christian men” bullshit rhetoric, you’re a big fan of making generalizations while trying to put down those generalizations you DON’T agree with.

Why are you so concerned with where people are “on the latter”? Why?

The difference being I’m not trying to silence, or control the speech of those who disagree with me.

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Then what the hell is the problem with PC? People are complaining that PC is “the death of truth” and a way of “warping” language. How? How is not calling someone a slur or using a more respectful term or generalizing races, religions, or ethnicity any of those things?

PC is a problem when it’s a threat to free speech. Free speech is stronger than it’s ever been. PC is not a problem. [/quote]

I’ve addressed all this. In the post you’re going to conveniently ignore because you can’t address the Clinton question at the end.

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:
PC is a problem when it’s a threat to free speech. Free speech is stronger than it’s ever been. PC is not a problem. [/quote]

You should tell that to the pizza shop owners that received death threats for refusing to cater a gay wedding.

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[quote]Ironskape wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Ironskape wrote:

It seems to me the only people complaining about PC gone rampant are SOME straight white Christians who are upset that they’re being treated the way they used to treat people.

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How many non-whites have you dealt with? I interact and work closely with non-whites on a daily basis and always have for as long as I can remember. I can assure you it is not only white Christians who are anti-PC considering who has confided in me in private.

Do you have a handle on what droves of ALL SORTS of people say behind closed doors? [/quote]

I should explain my position better.

Most of the posts and videos I see complaining about PC hit one or all of the straight, white, and Christian categories.
Everything I post is from my perspective. Please broaden it.[/quote]

Do you not see how you just stereotyped? Again, we shouldn’t be forced to drop some taboos in order to pick up others.

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[quote]polo77j wrote:

[quote]Ironskape wrote:

I should explain my position better.

Most of the posts and videos I see complaining about PC hit one or all of the straight, white, and Christian categories. Please don’t turn this into one of those “Not all group x!”, because duh, of course not all of a group does this one thing. It’s what I see on this forum. If you have an example to the contrary, I’d honestly like to see/hear it. That’s not smarmy or shitty either, I really do!

My non-white friends are all liberals, but then again, I’m a liberal. I won’t pretend to personally know someone from every walk of life, but do you know anyone who does?

Everything I post is from my perspective. Please broaden it.[/quote]

First of all, you seem really lazy and content within your observation bias bubble. You do realize that your opinion is exorbitantly bias, I’ll give you that; but you seem to be failing to realize that you’re basing your opinion from information gathered from liberal sources or from the videos you’ve watched.

For instance: [quote]Most of the posts and videos I see complaining about PC hit one or all of the straight, white, and Christian categories.[/quote]

Please consider your sources and critically think before forming an opinion. Most of the posts and videos you watch account for, at best, 1% of the videos touching on this topic. And, I’d be willing to be that’s a generous estimation.

You admit to surrounding yourself with like minded individuals, which hardly helps to broaden your perspective. You admit that you are open to different perspectives, yet are too damn lazy to seek them out yourself and ask for someone to provide it for you? GTFO. [quote]If you have an example to the contrary, I’d honestly like to see/hear it.[/quote]

You want to broaden your perspective, go out and do that. Don’t rely on someone else to do it for you.

I guess what I’m saying is, you’re arguing based on observation and conjecture and seem either content with this or unaware. I’m assuming the latter.[/quote]

It was stereotyping. I am a spic and I detest political correctness.