Political Affiliation

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The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. -Franklin Roosevelt

I believe in that.

America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens. -George W. Bush-Inagural address 2001.

And I believe in that…as well as Santa Claus, goodwill towards men, and peace on Earth.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Are you still a Jew Hater?[/quote]

Not only is that uncalled for but how could I hate myself?

That was way out of line. I was asking you a specific question. All you had to say was you are not a member of the Likkud party.

With your logic someone would be an American hater if they asked you if you were a member of the Republican party.

Wrong.

You do not understand what it means to be a ‘NeoCon’.

The only thing you can claim is you agree with the NeoCons but you are not a true NeoCon.

You are very immature and abusive for no other reason than insecurity.

You are just another inarticulate poster that likes to troll threads.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little. -Franklin Roosevelt

I believe in that.

America has never been united by blood or birth or soil. We are bound by ideals that move us beyond our backgrounds, lift us above our interests and teach us what it means to be citizens. -George W. Bush-Inagural address 2001.

And I believe in that…as well as Santa Claus, goodwill towards man, and peace on Earth.[/quote]

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[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Are you still a Jew Hater?

Not only is that uncalled for but how could I hate myself?

That was way out of line. I was asking you a specific question. All you had to say was you are not a member of the Likkud party.

With your logic someone would be an American hater if they asked you if you were a member of the Republican party.

Neocon is a word to describe a new conservativism that evolved as a result of the 60’s. It has nothing to do with converted Dems.

Wrong.

You do not understand what it means to be a ‘NeoCon’.

The only thing you can claim is you agree with the NeoCons but you are not a true NeoCon.

You are very immature and abusive for no other reason than insecurity.

You are just another inarticulate poster that likes to troll threads.

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Whatever you say.

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I’m an Uncompassionate Conservative
*Republican (as long as they control spending)
*Pro Military
*Pro Choice (as long as the baby gets the choose first) Seriously, adults make thier choice when they decide to have sex. Everything after that takes living up to your responsibilities.
*gun owner
*Christian
*Pro Flat Tax
*Sick & tired of Uncle Sam stealing my money & giving it to those too lazy to work. There should be a 1 year limit on welfare programs. Get a job or go hungry. Talk about motivation.
*Sick & tired of illegal immigration. Shut down the border!

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I have yet to meet an actual self-identified “neo-con,” though I’ve read about them in books. It seems to me that label is usually tossed around by liberals and by the Lew Rockwell/Pat Robertson et al element on the right.

So I went and did a very brief search to see what I could find regarding “neo-conservatism” and the definition thereof.

I came up with these two articles:

http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg051603.asp

http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg052003.asp

Feel free to find any more by actual people who claim to be neo-cons, rather than by people writing articles about those ____________ (insert: scary, shadowy, cabalist, etc.) neo-cons.

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I forgot this one, which goes with the other two articles on neo-cons as “Part 3”.

http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg052103.asp

The main idea:

The neocon label gets folded, spindled, and mutilated in any number of ways, every day. But there are four enduring misapplications of the word. These myths are: (1) the idea that neoconservative means “pro-war”; (2) the idea that neoconservative means “foreign-policy hawk”; (3) the idea that neoconservative means Jewish; and, (4) the idea that neoconservative refers to ex-liberals. Some of these used to be true, none of them are reliably so anymore

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Conservative first, Republican second.

I detest any ‘ism’ that promises to rip up the blueprints and create a utopia, be they on the Left or the Right.

I prefer free-market capitalism, but I don’t worship it as a cure-all for every earthly ill and I believe that capitalism is our servant not our master - so I don’t believe in unfettered markets.

I am a foreign policy hawk - but I couldn’t care less about an American empire. My foreign policy outlook is remarkably simple - trade and work with countries that share our values, be skeptical and limited in dealing with those that don’t, and if a country manifests itself as our enemy and causes us harm or brings us to the brink of harm, fist meets nose.

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[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
I’m an Uncompassionate Conservative
*Republican (as long as they control spending)
*Pro Military
*Pro Choice (as long as the baby gets the choose first) Seriously, adults make thier choice when they decide to have sex. Everything after that takes living up to your responsibilities.
*gun owner
*Christian
*Pro Flat Tax
*Sick & tired of Uncle Sam stealing my money & giving it to those too lazy to work. There should be a 1 year limit on welfare programs. Get a job or go hungry. Talk about motivation.
*Sick & tired of illegal immigration. Shut down the border![/quote]

I like your pro choice attitude.

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[quote]bigflamer wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
True Blue Northeastern elitist heathen Democrat.

Keep God and his commandments out of my goddamn government. listen to science over bible thumping hillbillys and loudmouth ministers.

When you dont help the poor at all, they rise and murder you.

Call it Socialist or whatever, but help the poor, feed the hungry, and fuck the rich.

That’s what the world needs, another damn communist.

I knew someone who started out with very little. He had a good idea for a product, saved some money and started a business out of his basement. Hard work and frugal living allowed the business to grow and purchase more machinery. It wasn’t long before the business had to move into the garage. By adhering to conservative financial guidelines, the business never had to borrow a dime to finance any machinery or inventory.

Fast forward to right now. This individual built a multi million dollar company that employs near 100 people. This business carries ZERO debt in regards to his machinery, inventory, or any of his buildings. He owned beautiful homes in west Michigan and Florida, and drove terrific cars.

Oh and by the way he gave more money to charaties than you’ll make in a lifetime. Not to mention the employment he provided to so many people over the years.

Did he achieve all of this by adhering to some bulshit idea like “fuck the rich”. No. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps and refused to make excuses.
Capitolism works, communism and socialism are dead political ideoligies.

Laborers who walk around saying “fuck the rich” will always be employed by people who educated themselves and learned how to run a business.

Good luck!
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Jersey, I’m from right around Paterson. And Bigflamer, just what I needed was another great American Dream success story. I notice that you aren’t talking about yourself in your little story, so where’s your American Dream? Or are you talking about yourself and don’t want to seem arrogant? Either I appreciate it. Now go back to watching “Leave it to Beaver” and reading the Bible. Thanks.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
I have voted straight ticket Republican since my first Presidential election in 1984.

I was too young to vote in 1980. And I can remember crying when Ford lost in 1976.

I have been a neocon since I was old enough to pay attention. [/quote]

Ditto…except for the crying part. I didn’t cry until Carter imposed the grain embargo.

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I wish I was a republican.

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[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
*Sick & tired of Uncle Sam stealing my money & giving it to those too lazy to work. There should be a 1 year limit on welfare programs. Get a job or go hungry. Talk about motivation.
*Sick & tired of illegal immigration. Shut down the border![/quote]

Amen brother! WTF is so wrong about wanting to put an immediate end to illegal immigration. I’m pro immigration, pro LEGAL immigration. Cross the border illigally and you are a fucking criminal, plain and simple.

I like the one year limit on welfare too. “Get a job or go hungry” pretty much sums it up.

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[quote]BluePfaltz wrote:
I wish I was a republican.[/quote]

We are the party of inclusion these days!! All you need to do is register to join the club :slight_smile:

You know were big in Florida.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And Bigflamer, just what I needed was another great American Dream success story. I notice that you aren’t talking about yourself in your little story, so where’s your American Dream? Or are you talking about yourself and don’t want to seem arrogant? Either I appreciate it. Now go back to watching “Leave it to Beaver” and reading the Bible. Thanks.[/quote]

Just what I needed was another fuck the rich cuz I aint guy.

I come from a family of two brothers and one sister. Momma left my alchoholic dad when I was 4, I guess she was tired of him beating my older brother and my mom. Let me tell ya, a single mom struggles to raise four kids, put food on the table, clothes on their backs, and once in a while do something fun. I grew up dirt poor and watched my mom never make excuses or give up. Not once.

Turned seventeen as a senior in high school and couldn’t wait to enlist in the Marines, So I enlisted under the delayed entry program. Went down to MEPS and signed right on my seneteenth birthday. I was more excited than I,ve ever been in my life cuz all I ever wanted to be since I was in fifth grade was a Marine. Got to basic training and I made the mistake of telling them about a siezure I had in sixth grade and they processed me out as an entry level seperation/fraudulent enlistment and no amount of begging can reverse paperwork in the millitary. Lowest point in my life. Did I let it get me down, I sure did for a while. then I stoped feeling sorry for myself and had a change in attitude.

Spent the next ten and a half years working as a machine operator/fabricator in the factory. The same company I was talking about above. Put myself through the fire academy and emt school while pulling 45 hrs in a week at the shop. Spent five of those ten years working 48 hrs a week at the station part time and 45 hrs a week at the shop. Yup that means working working all night at the station, getting off duty at 0700 and punching in at the shop at 0730.

All the work paid off and now I’m full time at the FD. I’m working now on starting my own home inspection company that I run on my off days. Doing real good too, making lots of $$.
Gonna close on my first investment property next week. Capitolism kicks ass!

Do I think you’re gonna be impressed by any of this? I don’t think so and I don’t care. My point is that my story isn’t the worst, but it wasn’t easy either. I educated myself, took smart individuals out to lunch and asked them questions, read the right books, NEVER made excuses. And I certainly wasn’t saying “fuck the rich”, my attitude is model the rich.

You have the attitude of an employee and it doesn’t sound like it’s going to change any time soon. I can’t wait until I’m an M2 (multimillionare).

Attitude is a persons greatest asset or his worst enemy.

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Bigflamer,

I AM impressed.

You and I would be friends.

I was imagining a frontier farmer in 1786 complaining about his lot in life.

He’d starve to death.

Nothing like a little motivation to get people off their ass.

It’s good to see that the American Dream is alive and well.

Thanks for your story.

With respect,

JeffR

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Carter Democrat…just kidding…

Pro-military, pro-abortion, welfare & deadbeat parent-hatin’, pro legalization of pot Republican !!!

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People can’t express what they are without either putting down others or jumping on a bandwagon?

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[quote]vroom wrote:
People can’t express what they are without either putting down others or jumping on a bandwagon?[/quote]

Vroom - The title of the thread is “Political Affiliation”. Now think about that, and then think about what you said, and see if what you said really makes sense in the context of this thread.

Okay - I’ll do it for you. The word “affiliation” suggests this bandwagon you are so against.

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[quote]JPBear wrote:
mica617 wrote:
Abortion. First off, I will say that I am very much against abortion, personally (rape, incest, and deformity notwithstanding). I feel that it should not be used as birth control. I feel that everyone should consider the possibility of pregnancy EVERY time they unzip their pants. However, it is not the governments place to judge, and whether I think it is wrong or not should NOT be decided by capitol hill, rather my own conscience and upbringing (there’s that PARENTING thing again). If it is wrong, then God will judge those- not man.

Couldn’t you say the same thing about murder or rape? I agree with most of what you said in your post, I am also a Christian who doesn’t want the government to legislate morality, but I think abortion is a different issue as it involves the taking of another person’s life. Who could defend that life other than the state? Abortion is either murder or it isn’t. [/quote]

I, personally, agree with you to a point (remember, I’m staunchly against abortion as a means of birth control). Am I right? I don’t know and won’t till I die. The sarcastic side of me says that at times I wish murder were legal (or call it “delayed abortion”) as I know several 30 and 40 year olds who would be prime candidates.
As I said, it’s a hot topic and one that I doubt the entire country will ever be in agreement.
I just don’t like the govt regulating much of anything (call it lack of trust). I would prefer for God to judge me rather than a bunch of hypocrites in DC.