Political Affiliation

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
How do you feel about Strauss?[/quote]

Never read any of Leo’s stuff. So I can’t give you an honest answer.

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To you disregard relativism as much as Strauss does?[/quote]

Like I said, I haven’t read any of his stuff, so I can’t answer. But I will say that relativism is a cancer that should be removed before it destroys our country.

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I have never actually had the oppertunity to meet an authentic NeoCon.[/quote]

I don’t have a nametag, or a membership card, but I identify strongly with the tenets of the movement (See Hedo’s post wrt this).

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Are you still a member of the Likkud party?[/quote]

Are you still a Jew Hater?

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I thought you had to be a ‘reformed’ liberal to be a NeoCon?[/quote]

Neocon is a word to describe a new consevativism that eveolved as a result of the 60’s. It has nothing to do with converted Dems.

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What am I missing? [/quote]

A spell checker.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Jersey5150 wrote:
America Hating, pro-bestiality and polygamy, tree hugging, commie loving, christian hating. LIBERAL!!!

Did I cover all the stereotypes of a Liberal?..probably not.

Who did what and what good it did can be debated forever.

I guess I am for whoever believes in no t polluting our air, water, and food supply, protecting its citizens from criminals foreign and domestic. Follows the constitution as the ONLY source for governing this nation, punishes the guilty while providing fair trials, deports people who are NOT citizens but hate this country and threatens its citizens and their way of life,

Supports EVERYONES right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, stays the fuck outta my life, who I fuck is my buisness.

As long as I pay my taxes and behave as a good and loyal citizen then what I do in my personal life is of my concern.

This is not a complete list of what I think is important but its a few major ones. Of all of them I think personal sponsibility AND Freedom are among the most important.

Not that anyone gives a fuck what I think. Good training guys!

I care what you think. As far as your list goes I know it’s a sterotype (as you stated). However, I started a thread several months ago and asked not only which political party you are affiliated with, but if you are a Christian as well. I don’t think more than one or two claimed to be liberals and also claimed to be a Christian.

Now I know that that poll was in no way scientific. However, I think there is a trend. I would bet that a very small amount of those who consider themselves as liberals also claim they are Christian.[/quote]

I’m a Christian Liberal, even though I view myself as more moderate (but JeffR would call me a liberal).

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Hedo, I am a firm believer in every honest citizens right to carry concealed weapons, BUT! You should have to pass an extensive psych test as well as background checks and pass a law enforcement approved weapon safety course. The more guns on my side on the street the better. Any half wit thug can buy a gun faster than me and carry it, gun control only hurts the honest citizen. The dishonest will always be able to obtain what they want thru the streets.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Hedo, I am a firm believer in every honest citizens right to carry concealed weapons, BUT! You should have to pass an extensive psych test as well as background checks and pass a law enforcement approved weapon safety course. The more guns on my side on the street the better. Any half wit thug can buy a gun faster than me and carry it, gun control only hurts the honest citizen. The dishonest will always be able to obtain what they want thru the streets.[/quote]

Snipeout-

I am glad you have that opinion. I agree with it.

The issue I have with the testing and regulation is that NJ will use it to deny all applications. Much like they do now. I would support the training and criminal background check. A letter from your doctor should be sufficient that your not crazy.

Much beyond that I think NJ would go along with their current program which is concealed carry in name only. No private citizen can get one w/o a court order. Nearly impossible.

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  • Republican
  • Pro Military
  • Pro Choice
  • Despise legistating morality (typicaly the worst republican trait)- Do what you want in your own bedroom.
  • Gun owner
  • Agnostic
  • Reagan fan
  • Pro flat rate tax
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battlelust wrote:

“I’m an anachronistic utopian.”

That translates to liberal democrat from boston.

JeffR

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Liberal democrat who voted for George W. Bush.

JeffR

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I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican. I am an American.

I refuse to let political parties do my thinking for me, especially when they are so diligently working against the common good of the American people.
As a matter of fact, considering how they are selling us out, I’d be ashamed to be associated with either of them.

In response to ZEB’s query: I am an Atheist; I support science, not superstition.

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Jeffah,
Part of that was right: I have lived in Boston for about a year and half. However, I can pronounce my 'R’s, I’m not a Democrat, and I didn’t vote for Bush.
What were my options during the election? FrankenKerry? That lazy-eyed virgin, Ralph Nader? the Libertarian “candidate?” Bush was the intellectual giant of the election (not to mention being the most personable) but I can’t vote for a candidate I don’t believe in. So, I voted for myself. Just as useless as any other way that I could have voted.

I guess you didn’t read my post past the first line. That’s cool.

I am a democrat, but not a Democrat.

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[quote]4est wrote:

  • Republican
  • Pro Military
  • Pro Choice
  • Despise legistating morality (typicaly the worst republican trait)- Do what you want in your own bedroom.
  • Gun owner
  • Agnostic
  • Reagan fan
  • Pro flat rate tax

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ntroych,

4est pretty much sums up my explaination (other than Agnostic- I’m a Christian). As for what I meant by GOP leaning to the right wing, I’m referring to the morality legislating. God specifically says in the Bible that He will judge us when our number is up. I don’t like the govt legislating what I can and can’t do TO MYSELF (even if I agree with the basis of the legislation). I agree only to legislation that controls the effect of your actions interfering with the rights of other people. (for example- allowing the prohormone ban. I still have yet to see anyones basic liberties violated because their next door neighbor too Androstenedione).
IF you need another example, I’ll tackle a very hot one- Abortion. First off, I will say that I am very much against abortion, personally (rape, incest, and deformity notwithstanding). I feel that it should not be used as birth control. I feel that everyone should consider the possibility of pregnancy EVERY time they unzip their pants. However, it is not the governments place to judge, and whether I think it is wrong or not should NOT be decided by capitol hill, rather my own conscience and upbringing (there’s that PARENTING thing again). If it is wrong, then God will judge those- not man.
Now, that being said, the GOP tends to lean more toward pushing laws on us because THEY (GOP) deem it a morality issue. (i.e. “we MUST protect our children from those pesky supplements”).
The downside to my philosophy is that there are a lot of parents out there that do NOT raise their children. Period. Much less ingrain any sense of right or wrong or consequences for one’s own action.
I suppose what I should of said in my original post was more along the lines of “the GOP seems to legislate more to appease the right wing rather than actually taking info on a case by case basis and scrutinizing it, then determining whether it is in the best interest of our entire country” rather that “the GOP leans way too far to the right”. It was just easier to type it that way.

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I lean libertarian. Presumably moderate libertarian since I’m not rabidly anti-government, like some.

Stop taxing me and keep your rules to yourself. However, at the same time, liberal concepts such as a carefully constructed social safety net don’t cause me concern.

However, not many things are carefully constructed these days.

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[quote]mica617 wrote:
Abortion. First off, I will say that I am very much against abortion, personally (rape, incest, and deformity notwithstanding). I feel that it should not be used as birth control. I feel that everyone should consider the possibility of pregnancy EVERY time they unzip their pants. However, it is not the governments place to judge, and whether I think it is wrong or not should NOT be decided by capitol hill, rather my own conscience and upbringing (there’s that PARENTING thing again). If it is wrong, then God will judge those- not man.
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Couldn’t you say the same thing about murder or rape? I agree with most of what you said in your post, I am also a Christian who doesn’t want the government to legislate morality, but I think abortion is a different issue as it involves the taking of another person’s life. Who could defend that life other than the state? Abortion is either murder or it isn’t.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Stop taxing me and keep your rules to yourself. However, at the same time, liberal concepts such as a carefully constructed social safety net don’t cause me concern.
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So who should pay for that since you don’t want to be taxed? Me? Scrooge McDuck?

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Well said snipe out
I neither am conservative but not Republican nor is Democrat .They are two sides to the same coin, in my opinion. I am closer to Libertarian, but I feel we need more control than most libertarians think.
We need Protection from big business. We need to defend our environment. We need to protect ourselves in this world. We need some one to verify that when we purchase aspirin, marijuana or food .That we get what we intended to purchase. I am sure we would need more but nothing like what we have today.

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Good question JP. I guess it would have to be very well designed!

First, I’d like it if it was built so that people couldn’t cronically abuse the program and just milk it for cash. There should be difference between a safety net and career avoidance.

Second, perhaps those that end up using it end up contributing a healthy chunk back into the system over time. Consider it like a loan, you are able to get caught by the net, but you incur users fees that are extracted if and when you are more capable of returning what you received.

However, if you happen to know Scrooge McDuck and he’s willing, that sounds like the best option to me… would you mind asking him?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Well said snipe out
I neither am conservative but not Republican nor is Democrat .They are two sides to the same coin, in my opinion. I am closer to Libertarian, but I feel we need more control than most libertarians think.
We need Protection from big business. We need to defend our environment. We need to protect ourselves in this world. We need some one to verify that when we purchase aspirin, marijuana or food .That we get what we intended to purchase. I am sure we would need more but nothing like what we have today.
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I agree and disagree 100% with this post (kinda weird). I think the system we have in the U.S. is actually pretty good right now. Yes some changes could be made. Simplify the tax code, increase peoples’ liberties, etc. but I think many of the changes would be pretty minor.

The big problem I see is that everyone in this country is in everyone else’s business. Just leave me and my beliefs alone and I won’t mess with yours.

Oh and 24 hour news channels should be shut down :slight_smile:

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[quote]vroom wrote:
However, if you happen to know Scrooge McDuck and he’s willing, that sounds like the best option to me… would you mind asking him?[/quote]

He said he’s too busy running Exxon Mobil.

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[quote]snipeout wrote:
Hedo, I am a firm believer in every honest citizens right to carry concealed weapons, BUT! You should have to pass an extensive psych test as well as background checks and pass a law enforcement approved weapon safety course. The more guns on my side on the street the better. Any half wit thug can buy a gun faster than me and carry it, gun control only hurts the honest citizen. The dishonest will always be able to obtain what they want thru the streets.[/quote]

Generally, criminals only carry guns in case their victim has a gun. They are not likely to use it unless the victim fights back, and when they do use it, it’s usually to hit the victim. Just thought I’d through that out there.

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ZEB

I listed those as a joke, becaus I am a liberal and an athiest but I do not hate christians and I love this country.

I just want my freedom. Oh and for those of you who think liberals are anti-gun ownership…I LOVE GUNS!!! When they are owned by law abiding citizens, not illegally aquired by scumbags.

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[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Hedo, I am a firm believer in every honest citizens right to carry concealed weapons, BUT! You should have to pass an extensive psych test as well as background checks and pass a law enforcement approved weapon safety course. The more guns on my side on the street the better. Any half wit thug can buy a gun faster than me and carry it, gun control only hurts the honest citizen. The dishonest will always be able to obtain what they want thru the streets.

Generally, criminals only carry guns in case their victim has a gun. They are not likely to use it unless the victim fights back, and when they do use it, it’s usually to hit the victim. Just thought I’d through that out there.[/quote]

Maybe on TV that’s the way it works. I lived in NYC for 10 yrs. They criminals there use their guns to shoot people. Every day 4 or 5 of them.

I’m gonna make an assumption here…most criminals don’t have my well being at the top of their priority list. I’ll take my .45 over the good intentions of muggers and thieves.