Poliquin vs. Staley

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/charles-Staley/2009/truth-about-women-and-pullups.htm

This article was posted in response to a T-Nation article posted here a long time ago. Even though I am a big fan of Poliquin’s stuff, I have to agree with Staley on this one. There are two guys on the entire high school football team that can do twelve chin ups, and that’s cheating. I am somehow skeptical that any woman can achieve this in 12 weeks. Thoughts anyone?

*Note I had to use the authors last names because they are both named Charles

It really depends on the parameters of the people you are training as suggested in the article. The average woman? I’d suggest it isn’t likely. However, I’d apply that to the average man as well.

Are we talking chin ups or pull ups. I have done 14 chin ups but only 10 pull ups. I’m also regarded as a bit of an oddity when I do them at the gym.

I wouldn’t say it’s an impossibility if that is your focus but I’d say it’s unlikely. I also wouldn’t say you suck as a trainer because much of your results as a trainer would be dependent on the motivation of your client. How many people do you know have an overwhelming urge to crank out 12 chins?

In that case how long have you been training? I see by your avatar that you compete in strongmen? Or strongwomen in your case. I wounder how many chinups could you get someone to do in 12 weeks. Christian Thibaudeau wrote an article about “Keeping your chin up” so I guess that would be the best bet, but I wounder how effective it would be on the average female population. This is also assuming that this program is the best for getting better at chinups.

Edit: Here is the program

http://www.T-Nation.com/article/bodybuilding/keep_your_chin_up

I mostly compete in powerlifting but I encorporate a lot of chinups and pullups in my training mostly because I can. It’s a great exercise that requires minimal equipment.

I’ve been training for a couple of years but it certainly took longer than 12 weeks to get where I am.

One of the reasons I can do it well is that I’m only 120lbs. That makes a huge difference.

I think I read that article before and found it interesting and very helpful. I’m not sure I could motivate anyone to do any chinups. I’m not a trainer though. I don’t do them to get better at them, I do them to get better at power lifting as an assistance exercise - if that makes any sense.

I still think a trainer would be hard pressed to get anyone average, male or female, to do 12 chin-ups in 12 weeks. I’ve been wrong before though.

I’m actually slightly motivated to go out and try this, just for shits and giggles. Two friends of mine have recently asked me to help them train and what not and I think I’m going to throw them on “Keep your chin up” just to see what kind of progress could be made. Isn’t anyone else curious?

[quote]musicma1n1 wrote:
http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/charles-Staley/2009/truth-about-women-and-pullups.htm

This article was posted in response to a T-Nation article posted here a long time ago. Even though I am a big fan of Poliquin’s stuff, I have to agree with Staley on this one. There are two guys on the entire high school football team that can do twelve chin ups, and that’s cheating. I am somehow skeptical that any woman can achieve this in 12 weeks. Thoughts anyone?

*Note I had to use the authors last names because they are both named Charles [/quote]

Link doesn’t work…here it is:

http://www.staleytraining.com/articles/charles-Staley/2009/truth-about-women-and-pullups.htm

and here’s the Poliquin article: