'Poliquin on Health Care'

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Was about to say the same thing. I mean we live in a FREE country (Canada/USA), why should a certain lifestyle be imposed upon anyone? If people want to smoke, eat poorly and live a sedentary lifestyle thats their RIGHT to do so.

Educate people, but allow them to exercise their free will.[/quote]

But the point is the choice people make should be their own, the point when they are now dependent on others or decrease other peoples availability it has gone to far. If you want to wack off in peanut butter and shot heroin I dont give a shit. But is you know file for Social Security disability because you like to do this is fucking wrong. You eat yourself to 800 lbs and now are dependent on society to care for you is fucking wrong. [/quote]

The problem isn’t that people are fat, the problem is the gov’t (We) pays for their healthcare. Let them live however they want, but we they can’t afford that triple bypass when they are 50, that’s when they have to pay the price for how they have lived. They can contemplate their poor decisions in that few minutes between when their heart has stopped and their brain shuts down.

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I personally think your whole system of food is designed to keep you sick. From cheap foods to fat people. And people get rich off your disease.

health care system
big pharma
indust farms

each industry feeds the other

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Tobacco and alcohol taxes?

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[quote]ComixGuy wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Tobacco and alcohol taxes?[/quote]

Oh, we never said that laws are not hypocritical…just that adding even more legislation on what men and women can or can not do to their bodies is not freedom at all.

Right now, we are in an economic crisis…yet no one will even consider legalizing marijuana and taxing the living shit out of it which could no doubt lead to millions of dollars of revenue overnight. However, they will consider taxing fat people so they buy less food…which sounds like even less economic stimulation.

In general, people can be very dumb as a whole.

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[quote]reddog6376 wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Was about to say the same thing. I mean we live in a FREE country (Canada/USA), why should a certain lifestyle be imposed upon anyone? If people want to smoke, eat poorly and live a sedentary lifestyle thats their RIGHT to do so.

Educate people, but allow them to exercise their free will.[/quote]

But the point is the choice people make should be their own, the point when they are now dependent on others or decrease other peoples availability it has gone to far. If you want to wack off in peanut butter and shot heroin I dont give a shit. But is you know file for Social Security disability because you like to do this is fucking wrong. You eat yourself to 800 lbs and now are dependent on society to care for you is fucking wrong. [/quote]

The problem isn’t that people are fat, the problem is the gov’t (We) pays for their healthcare. Let them live however they want, but we they can’t afford that triple bypass when they are 50, that’s when they have to pay the price for how they have lived. They can contemplate their poor decisions in that few minutes between when their heart has stopped and their brain shuts down.
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Exactly.

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[quote]ComixGuy wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Tobacco and alcohol taxes?[/quote]

I don’t agree with alcohol or tabacco taxes, either. Let people smoke and drink themselves dead for all I care. They have the right. It’s not like those taxes are stopping anyone, it’s just a money maker for the government.

I agree w/ the Prof about legalizing pot, although I don’t think that should be excessively taxed. The revenue the government would make strictly from sales tax, along with all of the taxes imposed on the companies and employees who supply the pot (payroll tax, income tax, etc.) would be astronomical.

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And 2 more points:

  1. Taxing all of these fatty foods would also penalize the otherwise healthy individuals who simply like to indulge every once in a while.

  2. Poliquin is either full of shit with the 60 dozen donuts each year stat, or he is misrepresenting the stat. It may be possible that 216,000,000,000 doughnuts are produced or maybe even sold each year, which would amount to 60 dozen for each US citizen (assuming 300 million citizens). That being said, that doesn’t mean all of these doughnuts are eaten or even bought. And that being said, I’m not so sure he didn’t just pull that number out of his ass to begin with.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
And 2 more points:

  1. Taxing all of these fatty foods would also penalize the otherwise healthy individuals who simply like to indulge every once in a while.

  2. Poliquin is either full of shit with the 60 dozen donuts each year stat, or he is misrepresenting the stat. It may be possible that 216,000,000,000 doughnuts are produced or maybe even sold each year, which would amount to 60 dozen for each US citizen (assuming 300 million citizens). That being said, that doesn’t mean all of these doughnuts are eaten or even bought. And that being said, I’m not so sure he didn’t just pull that number out of his ass to begin with.[/quote]

When doesn’t he exaggerate all his stats, numbers, or trainees to make his point. I’m still waiting to see that speed skater who puts Platz to shame.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ComixGuy wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Tobacco and alcohol taxes?[/quote]

Oh, we never said that laws are not hypocritical…just that adding even more legislation on what men and women can or can not do to their bodies is not freedom at all.

Right now, we are in an economic crisis…yet no one will even consider legalizing marijuana and taxing the living shit out of it which could no doubt lead to millions of dollars of revenue overnight. However, they will consider taxing fat people so they buy less food…which sounds like even less economic stimulation.

In general, people can be very dumb as a whole.[/quote]

It would generate some revenue, but people would still sell it on the street and grow it in their closet, tax free.

I’m not saying that you think this, but it’s very unlikely that your average dope dealer would go out and become a Class A Private sector businessman.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]ComixGuy wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Tobacco and alcohol taxes?[/quote]

I don’t agree with alcohol or tabacco taxes, either. Let people smoke and drink themselves dead for all I care. They have the right. It’s not like those taxes are stopping anyone, it’s just a money maker for the government.

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Agreed. This is where the sympathetic bullshit comes in and says “oh you don’t want everyone to have healthcare?”. NO I FUCKEN DON’T.

When Johnny Mc Smokesalot and Jenny Nosecandy Overdose, we have to pay for it. Now THAT is bullshit.

FUCK the public option.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ComixGuy wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Tobacco and alcohol taxes?[/quote]

Oh, we never said that laws are not hypocritical…just that adding even more legislation on what men and women can or can not do to their bodies is not freedom at all.

Right now, we are in an economic crisis…yet no one will even consider legalizing marijuana and taxing the living shit out of it which could no doubt lead to millions of dollars of revenue overnight. However, they will consider taxing fat people so they buy less food…which sounds like even less economic stimulation.

In general, people can be very dumb as a whole.[/quote]

It would generate some revenue, but people would still sell it on the street and grow it in their closet, tax free.

I’m not saying that you think this, but it’s very unlikely that your average dope dealer would go out and become a Class A Private sector businessman.[/quote]

You are thinking too small. Do you realize the money waiting to be made in safer means of getting it into your system? The first person to design a publicly acceptable cheap form of intake that rivals vaporization or cooking it into food is an instant millionaire. The hemp industry alone would change the way clothes are made and drop prices on cotton products in a matter of months to compensate. The paper industry could also be affected…which is another reason lobbyists have been against making hemp and weed legal industries.

The government wants you to keep thinking small. You eliminate or greatly reduce the black market all together by legalization. Who cares about “the average dope dealer”? They would no longer be much of a concern at all.

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I agree with you on the weed issue Prof X, I think the problem comes with the control of it. Alcohol was legalized, and it didnt stop people from being stupid. But then again, people are less stupid when they are high vs when they are drunk, so you may be onto something lol.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]JLu wrote:
So what would we define as “fit”? Would football linemen and SHW athletes not be eligible for this fitness license just because they carry some fat with their muscle and thus have bigger waists? Based on what I’ve seen of the governments definition of “health and fitness” I think I’ll take the current system over being forced to consume 25 servings of grain products a day and weigh 140-159 lbs (but only if I have a “large frame” which is what the “optimal” weight for my height is according to the “experts”).[/quote]

That is what a lot of people ignore when they talk about how much they agree with taxing fat people.

True story. I used to work for a hospistal and we were tested for things like bloood pressure/cholesterol/bmi. If you achieved certain numbers you were rewarded with a small cash bonus. I did well on everything everytime except bmi. I’m about 6’2" and weigh around 245. My bmi was usually just over the limit of 30. So I never got the bonus. My bodyfat percentage is usually between 11 to 12 percent.
Having said that I agree with most of what Poliquin says.

The government would put many of us in the same category. You can actually have a hard time getting medical insurance if you are carrying a shit load of muscle STRICTLY based on how much you weigh. If you are under 6 feet tall and weigh over 270lbs, they don’t give a shit that you have 21" arms.

We all lose the moment we start regulating behavior in that way.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ComixGuy wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Tobacco and alcohol taxes?[/quote]

Oh, we never said that laws are not hypocritical…just that adding even more legislation on what men and women can or can not do to their bodies is not freedom at all.

Right now, we are in an economic crisis…yet no one will even consider legalizing marijuana and taxing the living shit out of it which could no doubt lead to millions of dollars of revenue overnight. However, they will consider taxing fat people so they buy less food…which sounds like even less economic stimulation.

In general, people can be very dumb as a whole.[/quote]

It would generate some revenue, but people would still sell it on the street and grow it in their closet, tax free.

I’m not saying that you think this, but it’s very unlikely that your average dope dealer would go out and become a Class A Private sector businessman.[/quote]

You are thinking too small. Do you realize the money waiting to be made in safer means of getting it into your system? The first person to design a publicly acceptable cheap form of intake that rivals vaporization or cooking it into food is an instant millionaire. The hemp industry alone would change the way clothes are made and drop prices on cotton products in a matter of months to compensate. The paper industry could also be affected…which is another reason lobbyists have been against making hemp and weed legal industries.

The government wants you to keep thinking small. You eliminate or greatly reduce the black market all together by legalization. Who cares about “the average dope dealer”? They would no longer be much of a concern at all.[/quote]

It is almost impossible to deny the intrinsic logical in legalizing marijuana. In addition to the economic benefits it would relieve a huge burden on the legal system that currently must process thousands of meaningless possession charges, taking valuable resources away from providing justice and due process in more serious offenses. It may sound like a conspiracy theory but the only reason it hasn’t happened is the competition that the marijuana industry would provide to a multitude of corporations that quite simply have politicians in their pockets.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Was about to say the same thing. I mean we live in a FREE country (Canada/USA), why should a certain lifestyle be imposed upon anyone? If people want to smoke, eat poorly and live a sedentary lifestyle thats their RIGHT to do so.

Educate people, but allow them to exercise their free will.[/quote]

I agree with education and free will. However I should not have to pay for your bad decisions. If you choose not take care of yourself that is fine. I choose not to pay for your fat ass health care bills that will result from your bad decisions.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ComixGuy wrote:

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Not to mention fat people have the RIGHT to be fat. Imagine we start taxing everybody for pursuing lifestyles we don’t agree with, it gets ridiculous.[/quote]

Tobacco and alcohol taxes?[/quote]

Oh, we never said that laws are not hypocritical…just that adding even more legislation on what men and women can or can not do to their bodies is not freedom at all.

Right now, we are in an economic crisis…yet no one will even consider legalizing marijuana and taxing the living shit out of it which could no doubt lead to millions of dollars of revenue overnight. However, they will consider taxing fat people so they buy less food…which sounds like even less economic stimulation.

In general, people can be very dumb as a whole.[/quote]

It would generate some revenue, but people would still sell it on the street and grow it in their closet, tax free.

I’m not saying that you think this, but it’s very unlikely that your average dope dealer would go out and become a Class A Private sector businessman.[/quote]

You are thinking too small. Do you realize the money waiting to be made in safer means of getting it into your system? The first person to design a publicly acceptable cheap form of intake that rivals vaporization or cooking it into food is an instant millionaire. The hemp industry alone would change the way clothes are made and drop prices on cotton products in a matter of months to compensate. The paper industry could also be affected…which is another reason lobbyists have been against making hemp and weed legal industries.

The government wants you to keep thinking small. You eliminate or greatly reduce the black market all together by legalization. Who cares about “the average dope dealer”? They would no longer be much of a concern at all.[/quote]

I do realize the safer means of buying the stuff, but safer or not, you’re still going to have people trying to undercut the lawful people selling it.

And as far as legalization goes, I’m going to assume you don’t mean legalizing other forms of drugs?

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http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/144561/breaking%3A_marijuana_legalization_will_be_on_california's_2010_ballot/

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=8061

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An old friend of mine had terminal cancer and had 2 months to live. Desperate, he heard of a guy that was making hemp oil which was believed to be a cure for cancer. He took a trip to the east coast in Canada and consumed some of this hemp oil daily and two months later, he was still alive and doing remarkably well. When he got checked by his doctor, he couldn’t believe that the cancer was completely gone. It saved his life.

But the guy that was making the hemp oil for medicinal purposes had his marijuana taken away from him by the RCMP despite saving lives and not trying to make a profit off of the hemp oil. He was giving the oil away to sick people who needed it.

But if you got a cure for cancer and potentially other diseases, obviously big pharma won’t like that. As they like to milk you with the drugs they got to treat you, but not cure you.

So yeah, Marijuana should probably be legalized for medicinal purposes, but because Big pharma would take a hit, that probably won’t happen. Unless the lust for profit at the expense of lives dies.

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I think the license idea is awesome. It gives a pretty big incentive for people to be fit, but fat people and corporations can’t whine because they don’t lose. Obviously it needs to be well thought out in terms of feasibility, not pissing off the aforementioned people, and other concerns. But the idea in itself I believe is really good.

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[quote]daraz wrote:
I think the license idea is awesome. It gives a pretty big incentive for people to be fit, but fat people and corporations can’t whine because they don’t lose. Obviously it needs to be well thought out in terms of feasibility, not pissing off the aforementioned people, and other concerns. But the idea in itself I believe is really good.[/quote]

I’m not directing this specifically at you, but anyone who thinks some sort of “fit license” is a good idea or would ever be feasible within the confines of The Constitution is probably a communist, a moron, or both.