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OMG we look like the begging stages of every animal on earth. Our DNA is totally different and can be tested with current science, but we look the same. Aahh! Big fucking deal!! Take an embryology course and tell me how the human body develops and the cells that make up the body, organs, tissues etc., all know where to go.

On a similar note tell me why embryonic stem cell therapy has yet to help a single person in the history of that science, yet adult stem cell therapy has helped over 10,000 individuals survive as of today?

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
An embryo of an animal and a HUMAN embryo are night and day different!![/quote]

Sure, eventually. Check this out:

http://home.honolulu.hawaii.edu/~pine/book1qts/embryo-compare.html

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The embryo never hijacks the body of a mother. The biology of the whole event determines the mechanics of the experience. The mother was a portion of the conception and the results of sex have been well known for decades. Don’t try and tell me she doesn’t need to be a responsible ADULT to partake in ADULT activities.

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
A premature child needs the mother yet it is outside the womb, do they have rights then?[/quote]

Sure. Just so long as you not literally hijacking the woman’s body and telling her what to do with it.
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Most contraceptives stop the person/embryo from implantation into the uterine wall. Do you really try to justify being irresponsible all the time?!

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:
On the issue of abortion, it’s my opinion that if people want to avoid the entire life/abortion dilemma, they need to use protection when they do the hippity dippity.[/quote]

I agree, and this is why I can’t figure out why some people who are against abortion are also against contraceptives.[/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So a CNS determines if a person feels pain??

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So Eli, what moment clearly defines the moment when an embryo has the ability to ‘suffer’? Please back said statement up with verifiable science because that tends to be science that can be backed up and not refutable, as a general rule.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
The child gains rights around the time of viability. A little earlier to be safe.

Its batshit crazy people standing in the way of the morning after pill that really bother me. It prevents implantation of the sperm in the egg. It might as well be a condom. It is a contraceptive, not an abortion.[/quote]

Do you understand Natural Law or the term abortifacient?[/quote]

Well they are familiar concepts but I brushed up a little

Natural law:

"The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. "

And now that I’ve been challenged, you may be right about the morning after pill being an “abortifacient” rather than a true contraceptive. I think it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg on the uterine wall. Which is something I am totally ok with.

A fertilized egg does not have the capacity to suffer, it does not have consciousness. I beleive. Rational people may disagree.

Sorry to use the term ‘batshit crazy’[/quote]
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Aropund week 9.

No CNS, no pain.

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Du-uh?

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So you can define when a CNS becomes functional?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So a CNS determines if a person feels pain??

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So Eli, what moment clearly defines the moment when an embryo has the ability to ‘suffer’? Please back said statement up with verifiable science because that tends to be science that can be backed up and not refutable, as a general rule.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
The child gains rights around the time of viability. A little earlier to be safe.

Its batshit crazy people standing in the way of the morning after pill that really bother me. It prevents implantation of the sperm in the egg. It might as well be a condom. It is a contraceptive, not an abortion.[/quote]

Do you understand Natural Law or the term abortifacient?[/quote]

Well they are familiar concepts but I brushed up a little

Natural law:

"The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. "

And now that I’ve been challenged, you may be right about the morning after pill being an “abortifacient” rather than a true contraceptive. I think it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg on the uterine wall. Which is something I am totally ok with.

A fertilized egg does not have the capacity to suffer, it does not have consciousness. I beleive. Rational people may disagree.

Sorry to use the term ‘batshit crazy’[/quote]
[/quote]

Aropund week 9.

No CNS, no pain.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Du-uh?

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[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
An embryo of an animal and a HUMAN embryo are night and day different!![/quote]

Sure, eventually. Check this out:

http://home.honolulu.hawaii.edu/~pine/book1qts/embryo-compare.html

[/quote]

idiot

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So you can define when a CNS becomes functional?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So a CNS determines if a person feels pain??

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So Eli, what moment clearly defines the moment when an embryo has the ability to ‘suffer’? Please back said statement up with verifiable science because that tends to be science that can be backed up and not refutable, as a general rule.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
The child gains rights around the time of viability. A little earlier to be safe.

Its batshit crazy people standing in the way of the morning after pill that really bother me. It prevents implantation of the sperm in the egg. It might as well be a condom. It is a contraceptive, not an abortion.[/quote]

Do you understand Natural Law or the term abortifacient?[/quote]

Well they are familiar concepts but I brushed up a little

Natural law:

"The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. "

And now that I’ve been challenged, you may be right about the morning after pill being an “abortifacient” rather than a true contraceptive. I think it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg on the uterine wall. Which is something I am totally ok with.

A fertilized egg does not have the capacity to suffer, it does not have consciousness. I beleive. Rational people may disagree.

Sorry to use the term ‘batshit crazy’[/quote]
[/quote]

Aropund week 9.

No CNS, no pain.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Du-uh?

[/quote]
[/quote]

Du-uh?

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Says a person who has nothing to back his supposed claims, N I C E !! It really is almost a joy when a grown adult results to behaving like a child, glorious in reality!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So you can define when a CNS becomes functional?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So a CNS determines if a person feels pain??

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So Eli, what moment clearly defines the moment when an embryo has the ability to ‘suffer’? Please back said statement up with verifiable science because that tends to be science that can be backed up and not refutable, as a general rule.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
The child gains rights around the time of viability. A little earlier to be safe.

Its batshit crazy people standing in the way of the morning after pill that really bother me. It prevents implantation of the sperm in the egg. It might as well be a condom. It is a contraceptive, not an abortion.[/quote]

Do you understand Natural Law or the term abortifacient?[/quote]

Well they are familiar concepts but I brushed up a little

Natural law:

"The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. "

And now that I’ve been challenged, you may be right about the morning after pill being an “abortifacient” rather than a true contraceptive. I think it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg on the uterine wall. Which is something I am totally ok with.

A fertilized egg does not have the capacity to suffer, it does not have consciousness. I beleive. Rational people may disagree.

Sorry to use the term ‘batshit crazy’[/quote]
[/quote]

Aropund week 9.

No CNS, no pain.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Du-uh?

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Du-uh?[/quote]

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His argument has credibility!! Amazing stuff, in fact I am in shock . . . .

[quote]Big Banana wrote:

[quote]Ryan P. McCarter wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
An embryo of an animal and a HUMAN embryo are night and day different!![/quote]

Sure, eventually. Check this out:

http://home.honolulu.hawaii.edu/~pine/book1qts/embryo-compare.html

[/quote]

idiot[/quote]

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[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Says a person who has nothing to back his supposed claims, N I C E !! It really is almost a joy when a grown adult results to behaving like a child, glorious in reality!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So you can define when a CNS becomes functional?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So a CNS determines if a person feels pain??

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So Eli, what moment clearly defines the moment when an embryo has the ability to ‘suffer’? Please back said statement up with verifiable science because that tends to be science that can be backed up and not refutable, as a general rule.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
The child gains rights around the time of viability. A little earlier to be safe.

Its batshit crazy people standing in the way of the morning after pill that really bother me. It prevents implantation of the sperm in the egg. It might as well be a condom. It is a contraceptive, not an abortion.[/quote]

Do you understand Natural Law or the term abortifacient?[/quote]

Well they are familiar concepts but I brushed up a little

Natural law:

"The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. "

And now that I’ve been challenged, you may be right about the morning after pill being an “abortifacient” rather than a true contraceptive. I think it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg on the uterine wall. Which is something I am totally ok with.

A fertilized egg does not have the capacity to suffer, it does not have consciousness. I beleive. Rational people may disagree.

Sorry to use the term ‘batshit crazy’[/quote]
[/quote]

Aropund week 9.

No CNS, no pain.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Du-uh?

[/quote]
[/quote]

Du-uh?[/quote]
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You know, when you sctually cut up embryos and shit, you can determine when the CNS forms.

9 weeks, deal with it.

BTW, demanding references when all you do is spout unfoundeed opinions is a tad rich, dont ya think?

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Here we go again, semi-literate, bronze age-drivel junkies telling others what accounts for “natural” and “unnatural”, respectively.

A child that isn’t cared for is dead. Happens all the time, with mammals and with humans who btw aborted merrily in all cultures for 99% of that little time humanity enjoyed, so far, on mother earth.

To raise children, seeds of great effort and love have to be planted, and willingly so.
And here comes the onion: you can’t make someone care or love. Heartbreaking, I know.

Every anti-abortion argument after this (it’s murder…the father wants the child…Jesus says…) is bound to fail because they all make a bunch of hazy moral assumptions that cannot be applied consistantly, not even by the zealots themselves.
However, they excel splendidly at forcing slavery upon others.

Life begins with a choice others made for you.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
A child that isn’t cared for is dead. Happens all the time, with mammals and with humans who btw aborted merrily in all cultures for 99% of that little time humanity enjoyed, so far, on mother earth.
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And? We have also had war all that time. Is war then a “good” thing, or should it be discouraged?

Slavery has also been immensely popular and acceptable through the ages.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
To raise children, seeds of great effort and love have to be planted, and willingly so.
And here comes the onion: you can’t make someone care or love. Heartbreaking, I know.
[/quote]

Indeed. You can’t. But this is as true for the 6 month old as it is for the fetus. So if you can morally argue that someone should go to jail for letting their 6 month old starve to death then you can also argue that they should go to jail for aborting their fetus.

[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Every anti-abortion argument after this (it’s murder…the father wants the child…Jesus says…) is bound to fail because they all make a bunch of hazy moral assumptions that cannot be applied consistantly, not even by the zealots themselves.
[/quote]

Only the same hazy moral assumptions that our legal code is packed with.

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ALL you have provided is an opinion, like chocolate vs vanilla ice cream. Please present me with one current and credible source, please.

Which claim have I made you would like to have a source/s for?!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Says a person who has nothing to back his supposed claims, N I C E !! It really is almost a joy when a grown adult results to behaving like a child, glorious in reality!

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So you can define when a CNS becomes functional?

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So a CNS determines if a person feels pain??

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So Eli, what moment clearly defines the moment when an embryo has the ability to ‘suffer’? Please back said statement up with verifiable science because that tends to be science that can be backed up and not refutable, as a general rule.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
The child gains rights around the time of viability. A little earlier to be safe.

Its batshit crazy people standing in the way of the morning after pill that really bother me. It prevents implantation of the sperm in the egg. It might as well be a condom. It is a contraceptive, not an abortion.[/quote]

Do you understand Natural Law or the term abortifacient?[/quote]

Well they are familiar concepts but I brushed up a little

Natural law:

"The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. "

And now that I’ve been challenged, you may be right about the morning after pill being an “abortifacient” rather than a true contraceptive. I think it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg on the uterine wall. Which is something I am totally ok with.

A fertilized egg does not have the capacity to suffer, it does not have consciousness. I beleive. Rational people may disagree.

Sorry to use the term ‘batshit crazy’[/quote]
[/quote]

Aropund week 9.

No CNS, no pain.

[/quote]
[/quote]

Du-uh?

[/quote]
[/quote]

Du-uh?[/quote]
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You know, when you sctually cut up embryos and shit, you can determine when the CNS forms.

9 weeks, deal with it.

BTW, demanding references when all you do is spout unfoundeed opinions is a tad rich, dont ya think?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

80 - 85% of pregnancies end in the birth of a child.

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Define pregnancy[/quote]

When an egg has been successfully fertilized by sperm. Or as the medical dictionary states: “The state of carrying a developing embryo or fetus within the female body.”

Using Eli’s statistics, if 15-20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, then it would hold true that 80-85% of pregnancies end in the birth of a child.
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Much, much higher rates of miscarriages, no matter how you define pregnancy.

FWIW, the accepted definition is now after conception, i.e. when a fertilized egg has settled in the uterus.
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This is wrong medical definition is still fertilization.

Go ask to look at a contraception manual in a pill box, third way of “contraception” is the prevention of implantation of a fertilized egg so that pregnancy is not fully realized, not so that pregnancy doesn’t occur, but so that the uterus environment is so harsh a pregnancy cannot continue.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]bigflamer wrote:

80 - 85% of pregnancies end in the birth of a child.

[/quote]

Define pregnancy[/quote]

When an egg has been successfully fertilized by sperm. Or as the medical dictionary states: “The state of carrying a developing embryo or fetus within the female body.”

Using Eli’s statistics, if 15-20% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, then it would hold true that 80-85% of pregnancies end in the birth of a child.
[/quote]

Much, much higher rates of miscarriages, no matter how you define pregnancy.

FWIW, the accepted definition is now after conception, i.e. when a fertilized egg has settled in the uterus.
[/quote]

This is wrong medical definition is still fertilization, there has been a “controversy” over the definition, but this is a tradition definition vs. a new definition. Not we haven’t known ever, it was defined for a long time.

Go ask to look at a contraception manual in a pill box, third way of “contraception” is the prevention of implantation of a fertilized egg so that pregnancy is not fully realized, not so that pregnancy doesn’t occur, but so that the uterus environment is so harsh a pregnancy cannot continue.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
So Eli, what moment clearly defines the moment when an embryo has the ability to ‘suffer’? Please back said statement up with verifiable science because that tends to be science that can be backed up and not refutable, as a general rule.

[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Eli B wrote:
The child gains rights around the time of viability. A little earlier to be safe.

Its batshit crazy people standing in the way of the morning after pill that really bother me. It prevents implantation of the sperm in the egg. It might as well be a condom. It is a contraceptive, not an abortion.[/quote]

Do you understand Natural Law or the term abortifacient?[/quote]

Well they are familiar concepts but I brushed up a little

Natural law:

"The use of natural law, in its various incarnations, has varied widely through its history. There are a number of different theories of natural law, differing from each other with respect to the role that morality plays in determining the authority of legal norms. "

And now that I’ve been challenged, you may be right about the morning after pill being an “abortifacient” rather than a true contraceptive. I think it prevents implantation of the fertilized egg on the uterine wall. Which is something I am totally ok with.

A fertilized egg does not have the capacity to suffer, it does not have consciousness. I beleive. Rational people may disagree.

Sorry to use the term ‘batshit crazy’[/quote]
[/quote]

Aropund week 9.

No CNS, no pain.

[/quote]

Pain and suffering are not prereqs for being a human.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
A child that isn’t cared for is dead. Happens all the time, with mammals and with humans who btw aborted merrily in all cultures for 99% of that little time humanity enjoyed, so far, on mother earth.[/quote]

Really, want to provide proof that ALL or even most cultures, societies, and religions accepted abortion? Not just “did it”, because that is not the same as accepting it as a viable option.

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That’s the sad thing about lacking education.
It’s hard to admit to oneself.

I know you are someone who’s constantly parroting catholic lines.
But why don’t you just pick up a few dozen history books and some more about indigenous people and protohistory?
See for yourself.

Marriage, morals, gods and cults - You’d be amazed how much you think about human nature is flat out wrong.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
That’s the sad thing about lacking education.
It’s hard to admit to oneself.

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And you ought to know - you clearly don’t have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about, but are merely parroting warmed-over anthropology, most of which is ludicrously out of date. What you really are is a bundle of walking prejudices pretending to a kind of faux enlightenment. Your above “assertions” - even with the deepest charity, they cannot be called anything like arguments - aren’t even worth bothering about.

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[quote]katzenjammer wrote:

And you ought to know - you clearly don’t have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about, but are merely parroting warmed-over anthropology, most of which is ludicrously out of date. What you really are is a bundle of walking prejudices pretending to a kind of faux enlightenment. Your above “assertions” - even with the deepest charity, they cannot be called anything like arguments - aren’t even worth bothering about. [/quote]

please educate me about the out of date anthropology.
Because I want to know.

When did your “gawd” again find it appropriate to interfere? Right, that was pretty late. In fact, for countless millenia, we had untold tribes decide for themselves when to kill, plunder, steal, or, abort.