[quote]apbt55 wrote:
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I think in these instances we need to educate females to come to get treatment right away. I may catch flack for this, but I see no issue with the morning after pill or plan b, for instances of rape. But once it get’s further along you are still killing a human. the primary action of morning after and plan b is to stop implantation if there is zygote formation.[/quote]
You certainly wouldn’t get flak from me wrt using emergency contraceptives, as they are obviously always the better alternative to an abortion. Unfortunately rape comes with the most difficult emotional circumstances, feelings of shame, regular heavy handedness by the authorities and a lousy conviction rate. No wonder some many cases aren’t reported, or reported too late. I think it would require more than just ‘educating women’ to solve this problem.
Late abortions make up a very small number of abortions, and most laws tend to regulate them quite heavily - they are not the norm. Pulling it back to the more usual time frame around 12 weeks (which is a time when a good number of pregnancies still abort naturally if I remember correctly), or any time in that time frame brings up the question where life begins. I don’t have an answer to that - and I always thought it didn’t really matter; the decision to abort is tough and terrible to have to make under any circumstances - and the later the worse it gets naturally.
Does it cost a life? Yes, it does from some point onwards - and following the arguments wrt taking responsibility for one’s actions, I agree that they need to be taken into account. Yet, our laws permit a number of circumstances under which a life can be taken (as part of law enforcement, defence, or even sending people to die in often senseless wars far away for questionable motives). Being opposed to taking lives is certainly well intended - but to be consistent that would require one to be a complete pacifist (and probably become a vegan in the process). People kill other people, and often it’s sanctioned by some form of legal framework - so just arguing that taking a life is generally wrong doesn’t really convince me.
For me, technically an abortion is just another legal option to take a life in the pursuit of hopefully protecting another - whether that is to prevent that the child will be born to live unloved and in destitution, or to protect the potential mother’s life (from illness, the results of rape, or even the backstreet ‘doctor’ who would do more damage than necessary). That may seem hard hearted towards the child that will not be born - but to think that our societies aren’t regularly committing people to die is imho a bit of an illusion (see above).
So effectively, it’s comes down to where we draw the line - do we agree with sending soldiers to die and kill (often plenty of innocent children in a far away country), do we agree with people being killed for having committed what we define as crimes, do we run our health service in a way that will lead to some people being uninsurable and let them die due to economic circumstances? Every society tends to find its answers somewhere along those issues. Abortion is just one of them, but by far not the only one. I hope that makes some sense, even though admittedly it’s not a jolly view of humanity.[quote]
I just want to hear an argument from someone isn’t going to be like we aren’t responsible for our actions, it is my body no matter what I do.[/quote]
I think we are very responsible for our actions - and women who have aborted are normally very much aware of that - but in the end, yes, it is their body and whether I agree with every individual choice people make, they are entitled to make the ultimate choice about it. The aim is to make sure that the number of times of this choice is being made is minimised - being restrictive on abortions will not do the trick though imho.[quote]
In that line, how come when you murder a pregnant women, you get 2 counts of murder?
why the hypocrisy?[/quote]
Don’t know - not my law, and it seems inconsistent to me as well. Probably someone with a more legally trained mind may be better able to give an answer. Any number of unlawful killings is a grave matter, and even the ones we commit lawfully should warn us that something’s wrong.
Makkun
