[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
…[/quote]
Do you eat any chocolate? Does any of your whey powders or favourite protein bar got cocoa in them?
Should we conclude that you support slavery?
Choice is choice. Unless you got a gun to your head, nobody’s forcing you to buy gas.
But seriously, stop your ad hominems and give us some concrete cases on foreign policy where you disagree with the Professor. Attacking people is easy. Everyone’s got flaws. Let’s see you try to destroy his arguments.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Do you eat any chocolate? Does any of your whey powders or favourite protein bar got cocoa in them?
Should we conclude that you support slavery?
Choice is choice. Unless you got a gun to your head, nobody’s forcing you to buy gas.[/quote]
Interestingly, you skip all the pertinent things I mentioned, and head for the ideology.
Choice matters, of course - you comparison would make sense if I railed against SA but then went to SA and directly bought oil from there. That is an exact parallel of what Chomsky does.
As is, you want an uncomplicated radical approach - sorry, you and I both know that the comparison isn’t the same.
By the way, in the limited time I have, I pulled up some stuff on Chomsky, and after a short review, I understand you better than every Lixy. You are basically a Chomsky parrot.
Don’t whine about that being an ad hominem - you worship the man and repeat nearly every thing he says without objection.
Chomsky’s arguments have been savaged repeatedly by, interestingly, the political left and right over time. He is a marginalized figure who really enjoys cult status with angry wannabe youngsters. Know anyone like that?
If you want those extensive arguments, Google them. I don’t have the time at the moment.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
I understand you better than every Lixy. [/quote]
Me no speak thunderbolt-ese. Translation please.
[quote]Chomsky’s arguments have been savaged repeatedly by, interestingly, the political left and right over time. He is a marginalized figure who really enjoys cult status with angry wannabe youngsters. Know anyone like that?
If you want those extensive arguments, Google them. I don’t have the time at the moment.[/quote]
Sure, when comes the talk about the real issues, you weasel your way out of it. Why am I not surprised?
The Top 100 Chomsky Lies
Compiled by Paul Bogdanor
A. Top 10 Chomsky Lies About Communist Mass Murderers 1
B. Top 10 Chomsky Lies About Modern History 5
C. Top 10 Chomsky Lies About the Cold War 9
D. Top 10 Chomsky Lies About the War on Terrorism 13
E. Top 10 Chomsky Lies About Latin America 16
F. Top 10 Chomsky Lies About the Arab-Israeli Conflict 20
G. Top 10 Chomsky Lies About His Collaboration With Neo-Nazi Holocaust Deniers 23
H. Top 10 Chomsky Misquotations 26
I. Top 10 Chomsky Statistical Distortions 29
J. Top 10 Chomsky Lies About Himself 32
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/100chomskylies.pdf
The Devil State:
Chomsky?s War Against Israel
By Paul Bogdanor
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/chomskyisrael.pdf
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sure, when comes the talk about the real issues, you weasel your way out of it. Why am I not surprised?[/quote]
I have stated in recent posts - to Dustin in particular - that my time to respond has been limited of late.
An assessment of Chomsky - who has contentious and ridiculous opinions on a range of an uncanny amount of subjects - can’t possibly be done in short order.
So stop the childishness - no one is “weaseling”.
His biggest flaw? He has the same silly approach to neo-Marxist oppressor-oppressee theory that you do in everything he sees. Or I suppose, that you got from him.
Later.
EDIT: typo.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
So since this conflict is perpetuated by Muslim violence, it is up to the rational Muslims to fix it. Or a least stand up publicly against it.
Here’s me standing up publicly against it.
Dig up a bit and you’ll be amazed how much is done by Muslims to counter the hijack of our religion by the extremist scumbags.[/quote]
Then how come I never see any high profile Muslim leader on the news standing up against it?
COUNTLESS high-profile muslim leaders have denounced terrorism. The better question is why do they never receive air-time??? Hmmmm…
[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
COUNTLESS high-profile muslim leaders have denounced terrorism. The better question is why do they never receive air-time??? Hmmmm…[/quote]
Name a couple of these “high-profile muslim leaders”.
[quote]doogie wrote:
OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
COUNTLESS high-profile muslim leaders have denounced terrorism. The better question is why do they never receive air-time??? Hmmmm…
Name a couple of these “high-profile muslim leaders”.[/quote]
Now you want proof, Are you a mad man!!!
[quote]OKLAHOMA STATE wrote:
COUNTLESS high-profile muslim leaders have denounced terrorism. The better question is why do they never receive air-time??? Hmmmm…[/quote]
If they never receive airtime then how do you know about it?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Ford was a brilliant contributor, and a paranoid, anti-semitic bigot who had no idea what he was talking about. I really like how he blamed everthing, including Jazz and “Nigger Gin,” on Jews. But yeah, he’s not paranoid…[/quote]
As in the case of what was then widely known as “Nigger Gin” – all he did was point out that about EVERY company that made this cheap, low-grade swill, that was marketed almost exclusively to blacks, was Jewish owned.
And concerning Jazz, in Ford’s day, Jazz was about the equivalent of today’s “Boy Bands” – it was the exploitation, mass marketing and moral direction of music that most concerned Ford. Its astonishing to read what Ford wrote about the music industry almost NINTEY years ago…
[i]"The time of the entry of Jews into control of the popular song is the exact time when the morality of popular songs began to decline. The “popular” song, before it became a Jewish industry, was really popular. The people sang it and had no reason to conceal it. The popular song today is often so questionable a composition that performers with a vestige of decency must appraise their audience before they sing…
[of earlier music] These were not the product of song-factories, but the creation of individuals whose gifts were given natural expression. There were no great fortunes made out of songs, but there were many satisfactions in having pleased the public taste. The public taste, like every other taste, craves what it is given most to feed upon. Public taste is public habit. The public is blind to the source of that upon which it lives, and it adjusts itself to the supply. Public taste is raised or lowered as the quality of its pabulum improves or degenerates…
America does not sing what it likes, but what the vaudeville “song-pluggers” popularize by repeated renditions, until the flabby minds of the audiences begin to repeat it on the streets."[/i]
The Exploitation of Jazz
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/jimmyscott/jazz_commerce.html
“Jazz, like minstrels and ragtime before it, came under the control of professional promoters who sought to make music profitable.”
–Burton Peretti
Same as it ever was…
The Idol Maker
Lou Pearlman, a 47-year-old native New Yorker, has the recipe for creating teen sensations that get kids to part with their pocket money.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1999/09/27/60II/main63871.shtml
Unmasking Lou Pearlman
Pearlman earned a reputation as a Svengali by easily outwitting the naive teenagers in his bands, their star-struck parents and many of those who worked for him…
The Backstreet Boys and *NSync sued Pearlman, claiming they had been cheated. Both settled, paying Pearlman to get out of their contracts…
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/03/Business/Unmasking_Lou_Pearlma.shtml
Louis J. Pearlman: Mentor of Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake On the Lam
Federal prosecutors guess that Pearlman defrauded hundreds of investors to the tune of $317 million in a Ponzi scheme, or pyramid scheme, that didn’t even involve music but phony investments…
Pearlman Investors Told Zero Chance They’ll Get All Their Money Back
http://www.wftv.com/news/13225971/detail.html
Segueing back to the media – Jewish con man Lou Pearlman swindles 1400 investors out of $317 million (quite a few out of their life savings) and we get DELUGED with hourly updates on Anna Nicole and Paris Hilton?
As NOT Reported on CNN
“Once known as the preeminent boy-band promoter, Lou Pearlman’s major accomplishment will be to have orchestrated the world’s longest running Ponzi scheme in history.”
Jewish boy band promoter orchestrates world’s longest running Ponzi scheme in history involving a dozen or more companies including TransContinental Airlines, goes on the lam, and the networks decide – THIS ISN’T IMPORTANT NEWS.
“WE CONTROL THE PRESS - NOT A SINGLE ANNOUNCEMENT WILL REACH THE PUBLIC WITHOUT OUR CONTROL. Even now this is already being attained by us inasmuch as all news items are received by a few agencies, in whose offices they are focused from all parts of the world. These agencies will then be already entirely ours and will give publicity only to what we dictate to them.”
–Protocol 12
[quote]He’s your prophet, and the plagiarized protocols your scripture. I’m serious man, you sound just like one of those loony late-night preachers. You know the one’s I’m talking about. They demonstrate how Armageddon is upon us, using present day news as fulfillment of Revelations passages.
Anyways, you can have your podium back. I think the side by side comparisons in my earlier post spoke volumes. This time, I really mean to make my exit. It’s gotten far too creepy. [/quote]
You keep saying “plagiarized protocols” like that means something – you might actually have a point if REALITY didn’t disagree with you. Almost ANYTHING can be “plagiarized” and still be true – what does it matter if you have a plagiarized map to China if it still gets you to China?
But I’ll tell you want’s fuckin’ creepy…
Former Rep. DeLay says he quit to fight for Israel
Tom DeLay says he quit the U.S. Congress to fight for Israel and conservative causes…
DeLay was one of Israel’s fiercest defenders in the House, at times deriding bills driven by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the main pro-Israel lobby, as insufficiently pro-Israel.
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/32040/edition_id/597/format/html/displaystory.html
[Katherine] Harris talks about two of her greatest passions: art and Israel.
After Harris’s quote about the importance of electing Christians was published in a Baptist publication, her campaign went into damage control, issuing a press release discussing Harris’s love for Israel…
Harris does love talking about Israel. She’s proud that Israelis sometimes assume she’s one of them and talk to her in Hebrew. She is a Christian but has called herself a “wannabe” Jew. During the bitterly contested recount in 2000, which she oversaw as Florida’s secretary of state, she compared herself to the Biblical character Queen Esther, who risked her life to save the Jews…
Nancy Pelosi
Political observers say it’s no surprise that the congresswoman from San Francisco considers herself close to the Jews… there’s even a soccer field in the Haifa area of Israel named after the lawmaker’s family…
With Pelosi as speaker, Jewish activists and officials are confident that the [b]U.S. Congress[/b] will remain strongly pro-Israel… “I’ve heard her say numerous times that the single greatest achievement of the 20th century” was the founding of the modern state of Israel, Friedkin wrote.
“As far as the Jewish community is concerned, she feels our issues[?] in her soul,” he said.
To illustrate his point, Lauter told a Pelosi story that has become almost legendary in the Jewish community.
At an AIPAC members luncheon in San Francisco right after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, Pelosi was speaking when an alarm sounded.
“Everybody started getting nervous, scrambling toward the door,” Lauter recalled. One person, though, was reading the words of Hatikvah, the Israeli national anthem, above the din. It was Pelosi.
“It actually calmed the crowd,” Lauter said. “You could see people actually smiling, saying ‘Wow.’” [barf]
http://jta-vip.mediapolis.com/cgi-bin/iowa/news/article/20061108Pelosi8217ssuppo.html
Lieberman Queries Lamont Over Commitment to Israel
Senator Joseph I. Lieberman questioned his opponent’s commitment to Israel at a fund-raiser in Manhattan yesterday…
Those are US politicians speaking about a FOREIGN COUNTRY and less than 2% of the voting public (for perspective, the black minority is around 13%). Do you not get that AT ALL – is it just TOO obvious maybe? Does this somehow in your mind, in any way, shape or form, sound NORMAL to you?
When EVERY prominent US politician has to make a sickening commitment to a FOREIGN country to further his or her political career, something is very, very WRONG.
When people wonder why the Democrats seem like they abandoned the will of the people who put them in office, this is why. They aren’t listening to the MAJORITY of the AMERICAN people – they are controlled by a THIRD party…
“DIVISION INTO FRACTIONAL PARTIES HAS GIVEN THEM INTO OUR HANDS, FOR, IN ORDER TO CARRY ON A CONTESTED STRUGGLE ONE MUST HAVE MONEY, AND THE MONEY IS ALL IN OUR HANDS.”
–Protocol 9
Hillary the Favorite in Race for Jewish Donations
The haul is important: Strategists say that serious candidates will need to raise at least $50 million – and probably more like $100 million – by the end of the year. They say that money from Jewish donors constitutes about half the donations given to national Democratic candidates (an extremely large pot of gelt long coveted by the GOP).
http://www.forward.com/articles/hillary-the-favorite-in-race-for-jewish-donations/
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
A bunch more stupid crap…[/quote]
Heck, I’d say “give it a rest”, but then you’d think I was part of some vast conspiracy trying to silence your viewpoint or some such nonsense.
For people a little bit older than you and I, the plight of the Jewish population weighs heavily on their minds. You see, there was thing known as WWII in which the Jewish people were incredibly poorly treated, for which most of the world feels remorse.
Somebody had the bright idea of giving this group their own country, right smack dab on top of what is now highly contested real estate, leading to generations of ongoing conflict since that time.
So, whether or not you care to recognize it, a lot of people truly care for the plight of Jewish people, without being Jewish, without their being some fucking grand conspiracy.
Seriously, some of the shit you point to is just fucking stupid. Who gives a rats ass about the music industry? Every single generation is aghast at the new music put forth by the next, this is not something particularly new with respect to Jazz.
Get your head out of your ass and stop making a complete idiot out of yourself. Oh wait, I said I’d try not to say that as it would feed your conspiracy theories. Never mind, continue making a complete ass out of yourself, we are used to it anyway.
[quote]doogie wrote:
Name a couple of these “high-profile muslim leaders”.[/quote]
To name only the most prominent scholars:
They unambiguously condemn and denounce terrorism. Let me know if you wanna check by yourself their statements.
[quote]lixy wrote:
doogie wrote:
Name a couple of these “high-profile muslim leaders”.
To name only the most prominent scholars:
They unambiguously condemn and denounce terrorism. Let me know if you wanna check by yourself their statements.[/quote]
Are any of these scholars actually leaders of anything or anyone?
Edit: I mean to say I googled these names and they all seem to come from one website, but are any of them anything more than academics?
[quote]vroom wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
A bunch more stupid crap…
Heck, I’d say “give it a rest”, but then you’d think I was part of some vast conspiracy trying to silence your viewpoint or some such nonsense.
For people a little bit older than you and I, the plight of the Jewish population weighs heavily on their minds. You see, there was thing known as WWII in which the Jewish people were incredibly poorly treated, for which most of the world feels remorse.
Somebody had the bright idea of giving this group their own country, right smack dab on top of what is now highly contested real estate, leading to generations of ongoing conflict since that time.
So, whether or not you care to recognize it, a lot of people truly care for the plight of Jewish people, without being Jewish, without their being some fucking grand conspiracy.
Seriously, some of the shit you point to is just fucking stupid. Who gives a rats ass about the music industry? Every single generation is aghast at the new music put forth by the next, this is not something particularly new with respect to Jazz.
Get your head out of your ass and stop making a complete idiot out of yourself. Oh wait, I said I’d try not to say that as it would feed your conspiracy theories. Never mind, continue making a complete ass out of yourself, we are used to it anyway.[/quote]
By the looks of it, Vroom, it’s not much of a conspiracy. It’s really quite obvious. You can tell JTT to “get his head out of his ass”, but then you’d have to tell hundreds (perhaps more) of the most influential people of last 150 or so years to “get their head out of their ass”.
It’s amazing when some of the most influential positions/jobs in America are dominated by a small minority of the aforementioned individuals. Positions/jobs that mold and influence the way people think, act, dress, talk and view the world, just to name a few. And all the response one hears is, “who cares if they control this, or that”.
Frankly I’d prefer America for Americans and not America for Israeli citizens who live in America.
Dustin
[quote]doogie wrote:
Are any of these scholars actually leaders of anything or anyone? [/quote]
You’re kidding, right?
Ask any Muslim about the authority of Quaradawi, Tantawi, al-Munajjid, Khamenei or Fadlallah. They are THE most prominent references in Islam today. Put together, they lead well over 90% of Muslims.
Let me show you how it works in Islam: You’re supposed to read the Quran, the life of Muhammad and then decide on what’s wrong and what’s right. Now, because most people are too lazy to do that, they rely on scholars (i.e: theologians) to do the job for them. Kinda like the pope for Christians, except for the whole “representing God on Earth” deal.
They are not mere academics. Each and everyone of those is an authority in Islam, and you’ll have a hard time finding a Muslim that don’t agree 100% with at least one of those on every point. That is, besides the obvious Ben Laden and his crew.
I am surprised that their names aren’t familiar to you. Quoting any of them in the context of Islam is like quoting Poliquin in bodybuilding, Atkins in Chemistry or Knuth in computer science. There is no other way to put it. They are THE reference in Islam today. On second thought, I’m not THAT surprised. You probably couldn’t name any mufti that hasn’t made headlines because he’s a whacko terrorist.
When looking their names up, keep in mind that those are originally in Arabic and that there is not just one way to transcribe it into Latin alphabet. Google doesn’t do very well in that regard (yet).
Heck, my name can be written in about a couple of dozens different ways in Latin, and I only have a first and last name, unlike those who usually have a middle name and a title to boot.
[quote]vroom wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
A bunch more stupid crap…
Heck, I’d say “give it a rest”, but then you’d think I was part of some vast conspiracy trying to silence your viewpoint or some such nonsense.
For people a little bit older than you and I, the plight of the Jewish population weighs heavily on their minds. You see, there was thing known as WWII in which the Jewish people were incredibly poorly treated, for which most of the world feels remorse.
Somebody had the bright idea of giving this group their own country, right smack dab on top of what is now highly contested real estate, leading to generations of ongoing conflict since that time.
So, whether or not you care to recognize it, a lot of people truly care for the plight of Jewish people, without being Jewish, without their being some fucking grand conspiracy.
Seriously, some of the shit you point to is just fucking stupid. Who gives a rats ass about the music industry? Every single generation is aghast at the new music put forth by the next, this is not something particularly new with respect to Jazz.
Get your head out of your ass and stop making a complete idiot out of yourself. Oh wait, I said I’d try not to say that as it would feed your conspiracy theories. Never mind, continue making a complete ass out of yourself, we are used to it anyway.[/quote]
Sounds like you could use some cash…
http://www.nafcash.com/
Find just 1% of the remains of almost one million people inside the perimeter of a 22 acre “death camp” and you can make an EASY $200,000 AND have the added bonus of humiliating all the conspiracy wackos like myself.
Surely even YOU can’t dispute the simplicity and reasonableness of the challenge of finding 1% of the remains of the equivalent of nine Rose Bowl Stadiums full of people buried inside a 22 acre camp.
Just 1% of 9X this:
http://wyoming5.21publish.com/pub/wyoming5/brownj/2004_Game_Aerial2_L_0.jpg
Not that there’s anything to hide of course…
ICRC, Germany denying access to Holocaust archive
SIXTY-ONE YEARS ago this spring, the Allies liberated the German concentration camps. Sixty-one years is a long time – so long that few European leaders have personal experience of the war. Why, then, are the German government and the International Red Cross still conspiring to prevent historians from gaining access to the world’s largest Holocaust survivors’ archive?
Survivors Outraged at Holocaust Museum over Bad Arolsen
In an era of the instant access offered by Google, Yahoo, Proquest and Lexis-Nexis, Holocaust survivors and leaders cannot understand why the United States government cannot make the documents available to every local library or home computer the way government documents are ordinarily accessed…
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
vroom wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
A bunch more stupid crap…
Heck, I’d say “give it a rest”, but then you’d think I was part of some vast conspiracy trying to silence your viewpoint or some such nonsense.
For people a little bit older than you and I, the plight of the Jewish population weighs heavily on their minds. You see, there was thing known as WWII in which the Jewish people were incredibly poorly treated, for which most of the world feels remorse.
Somebody had the bright idea of giving this group their own country, right smack dab on top of what is now highly contested real estate, leading to generations of ongoing conflict since that time.
So, whether or not you care to recognize it, a lot of people truly care for the plight of Jewish people, without being Jewish, without their being some fucking grand conspiracy.
Seriously, some of the shit you point to is just fucking stupid. Who gives a rats ass about the music industry? Every single generation is aghast at the new music put forth by the next, this is not something particularly new with respect to Jazz.
Get your head out of your ass and stop making a complete idiot out of yourself. Oh wait, I said I’d try not to say that as it would feed your conspiracy theories. Never mind, continue making a complete ass out of yourself, we are used to it anyway.
Sounds like you could use some cash…
http://www.nafcash.com/
Find just 1% of the remains of almost one million people inside the perimeter of a 22 acre “death camp” and you can make an EASY $200,000 AND have the added bonus of humiliating all the conspiracy wackos like myself.
Surely even YOU can’t dispute the simplicity and reasonableness of the challenge of finding 1% of the remains of the equivalent of nine Rose Bowl Stadiums full of people buried inside a 22 acre camp.
Just 1% of 9X this:
http://wyoming5.21publish.com/pub/wyoming5/brownj/2004_Game_Aerial2_L_0.jpg
Not that there’s anything to hide of course…
ICRC, Germany denying access to Holocaust archive
SIXTY-ONE YEARS ago this spring, the Allies liberated the German concentration camps. Sixty-one years is a long time – so long that few European leaders have personal experience of the war. Why, then, are the German government and the International Red Cross still conspiring to prevent historians from gaining access to the world’s largest Holocaust survivors’ archive?
Survivors Outraged at Holocaust Museum over Bad Arolsen
In an era of the instant access offered by Google, Yahoo, Proquest and Lexis-Nexis, Holocaust survivors and leaders cannot understand why the United States government cannot make the documents available to every local library or home computer the way government documents are ordinarily accessed…
http://hnn.us/articles/38788.html[/quote]
JTF if I’m not mistaken TREBLINKA is where the furnaces where, why do you think the site pulls off that spot?
[quote]JustTheFacts wrote:
Find just 1% of the remains of almost one million people inside the perimeter of a 22 acre “death camp” and you can make an EASY $200,000 AND have the added bonus of humiliating all the conspiracy wackos like myself. [/quote]
JTF,
As I undestand it, you don’t really challenge the occurence of the Holocaust, but rather its amplitude. Am I right? I mean, otherwise, how can you explain the numerous recovered Nazi documents or the testimonies of survivors?
Also, why does it even matter if the figures are inflated? Does it make the events any less horrible? Is the exact number of any relevance to the common people?
I’m genuinely curious.
[quote]lixy wrote:
JustTheFacts wrote:
Find just 1% of the remains of almost one million people inside the perimeter of a 22 acre “death camp” and you can make an EASY $200,000 AND have the added bonus of humiliating all the conspiracy wackos like myself.
JTF,
As I undestand it, you don’t really challenge the occurence of the Holocaust, but rather its amplitude. Am I right? I mean, otherwise, how can you explain the numerous recovered Nazi documents or the testimonies of survivors?
Also, why does it even matter if the figures are inflated? Does it make the events any less horrible? Is the exact number of any relevance to the common people?
I’m genuinely curious.[/quote]
Actually if JTF looked up the camp he was describing he would know why the site is calling that place out, You see they don’t do complete research and either will JTF because He knows 10-15 seconds of searching on google would find him the real answer.
